Ken D'Ambrosio | 4 Apr 2011 16:40

Fun 404 page.

I clicked on a link in a c. '99 Linux article, and wound up here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/LDP

I especially enjoy the Unix(6) translation.

-Ken
John Abreau | 4 Apr 2011 17:50
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Re: Fun 404 page.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio <ken@...> wrote:
> I clicked on a link in a c. '99 Linux article, and wound up here:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/LDP
>
> I especially enjoy the Unix(6) translation.
>
> -Ken

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Jefferson Kirkland | 4 Apr 2011 19:50
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Re: Fun 404 page.

Very nice.  Its even in Morse and Semaphore. 



On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:50 AM, John Abreau <jabr-mNDKBlG2WHs@public.gmane.org> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio <ken-I8LDDhnBrts@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> I clicked on a link in a c. '99 Linux article, and wound up here:
> http://www.ibiblio.org/LDP
>
> I especially enjoy the Unix(6) translation.
>
> -Ken

Also the Zombie, and Wookie...


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David Ohlemacher | 5 Apr 2011 23:40
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ssh reverse tunnel issue

Hi all,

I am having a bothersome issue with ssh (maybe) and was wondering if anyone has an idea what the problem might be.

I am running a reverse ssh tunnel from the west coast to a middle machine in Nashua, NH.   I need to run some machines on the left coast for some embedded dev with hardware there.  My machine and the west coast machines are behind firewalls, hence the need for the rev tunnel. The middle machine is not behind a router firewall.

From the west coast machine to the middle machine:

ssh -X -C -R  <tunnel port>:localhost:22   <user> <at> <middle machine>
// using X, and compression (not sure if the compression helps or not)

I then ssh to middle machine:

ssh -X -C <user> <at> <middle machine>

and from the middle machine to the west coast:

ssh -X -C  <user> <at> <west coast machine> -p <tunnel port>

Issue:   It mostly works fine.  I can open X apps, vim, etc.   But I get momentary freezes.   They last 10 seconds to over a minute.  After, I can continue my work.    5 or 10 minutes later, it happens again.   

I don't think it is the Internet because during freezes not all the windows do it.    While one window is frozen, I can use 'talk' over the same tunnel to talk to another developer on the west coast.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
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Andy Bair | 5 Apr 2011 23:45
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Re: ssh reverse tunnel issue

It doesn't seem like you're dropping connections but I generally setup
ssh stanzas in my .ssh/config file and use ServerAliveInterval.  Maybe
that will help keep things active.

Host some_host
	Port <some_port>
	Hostname <some_server_ip>
	ServerAliveInterval 240

Hope that helps.

Andy

On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 05:40:59PM -0400, David Ohlemacher wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am having a bothersome issue with ssh (maybe) and was wondering if anyone
> has an idea what the problem might be.
> 
> I am running a reverse ssh tunnel from the west coast to a middle machine in
> Nashua, NH.   I need to run some machines on the left coast for some
> embedded dev with hardware there.  My machine and the west coast machines
> are behind firewalls, hence the need for the rev tunnel. The middle machine
> is not behind a router firewall.
> 
> >From the west coast machine to the middle machine:
> 
> ssh -X -C -R  <tunnel port>:localhost:22   <user> <at> <middle machine>
> // using X, and compression (not sure if the compression helps or not)
> 
> I then ssh to middle machine:
> 
> ssh -X -C <user> <at> <middle machine>
> 
> and from the middle machine to the west coast:
> 
> ssh -X -C  <user> <at> <west coast machine> -p <tunnel port>
> 
> Issue:   It mostly works fine.  I can open X apps, vim, etc.   But I get
> momentary freezes.   They last 10 seconds to over a minute.  After, I can
> continue my work.    5 or 10 minutes later, it happens again.
> 
> I don't think it is the Internet because during freezes not all the windows
> do it.    While one window is frozen, I can use 'talk' over the same tunnel
> to talk to another developer on the west coast.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> -d

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Michael ODonnell | 6 Apr 2011 00:04
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Re: ssh reverse tunnel issue


<shotsInTheDark>

 - Try increasingly more verbose invocations up to -vvv.

 - You might modify things to eliminate a hop thus:

       WestCoast% ssh -X -R 2222:localhost:22 middleMachine`

   ...and then connect thru the middleMachine thus:

       EastCoast% ssh -X -p 2222 middleMachine

   ...though if this fixes (or exacerbates) your problem we'd
   have to scratch our heads to figure out what we've learned.

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David Ohlemacher | 6 Apr 2011 00:17
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Re: ssh reverse tunnel issue

Thanks.

I have already added to /etc/ssh_config

ServerAliveInterval 240
ClientAliveInterval 240

on all machines.

I'll try it wo compression.   I really couldn't tell the difference, but maybe that is it.

-d

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Seth Cohn <sethcohn <at> gmail.com> wrote:

Agreed, turn on keep alive, turn off compression.  You want the tunnel to be fast, not byteslim.


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Derek Atkins | 6 Apr 2011 16:16
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Re: ssh reverse tunnel issue

David Ohlemacher <ohlemacher <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks.
>
> I have already added to /etc/ssh_config
>
> ServerAliveInterval 240
> ClientAliveInterval 240
>
> on all machines.
>
> I'll try it wo compression.   I really couldn't tell the difference, but maybe
> that is it.

I'd think that the double-compression may be interfering with each
other.  Personally I never use compression with SSH and I never notice
an issue (except, I suppose, with X -- but I don't often run X over
long-distance ssh connections).

> -d
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Seth Cohn <sethcohn <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Agreed, turn on keep alive, turn off compression.  You want the tunnel to
>     be fast, not byteslim.

-derek

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Michael ODonnell | 6 Apr 2011 16:34
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Re: ssh reverse tunnel issue


Since the primary complaint is that the connection "freezes"
for as long as a minute I'm gonna predict that this will turn
out not to be compression-related.  Yes, unnecessary/redundant
compression can reduce throughput but the effect would be
(approx) constant rather than intermittent and I can't imagine
it bogging things down for a solid minute.  This smells more
like a scheduling problem or maybe some transient network failure.
Eric Stein | 6 Apr 2011 16:40
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Re: ssh reverse tunnel issue

Compressing a ssh stream will not achieve significant compression anyway, entropy is about as high as it gets..

Eric

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> > Thanks.
> >
> > I have already added to /etc/ssh_config
> >
> > ServerAliveInterval 240
> > ClientAliveInterval 240
> >
> > on all machines.
> >
> > I'll try it wo compression.   I really couldn't tell the difference,
> > but maybe that is it.
>
> I'd think that the double-compression may be interfering with each
> other.  Personally I never use compression with SSH and I never notice
> an issue (except, I suppose, with X -- but I don't often run X over
> long-distance ssh connections).
>
> > -d
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Seth Cohn <sethcohn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > Agreed, turn on keep alive, turn off compression.  You want the tunnel
> > to be fast, not byteslim.
>
> -derek
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