Jeffrey Gipson | 14 May 13:31 2010
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test

test

I haven’t received mail on this list since April 24, so I was wondering if it was still active, or if my
account was ‘lost.’

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Tom King | 14 May 17:59 2010

Re: test

Looks good.

Quoting Jeffrey Gipson <jeffagipson@...>:

> test
>
> I haven?t received mail on this list since April 24, so I was  
> wondering if it was still active, or if my account was ?lost.?
>
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>

"Concern for man and his fate must always form the chief interest of  
all technical endeavors. Never forget this in the midst of your  
diagrams and equations." --Albert Einstein

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sistersays | 14 May 18:57 2010
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Re: test

Got Tom's response to my inbox but Jeffrey's post was in my spam folder.

On 5/14/10, Tom King <kingttx@...> wrote:
> Looks good.
>
>
>  Quoting Jeffrey Gipson <jeffagipson@...>:
>
>
> > test
> >
> > I haven?t received mail on this list since April 24, so I was wondering if
> it was still active, or if my account was ?lost.?
> >
> >
> >
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> >  T. (512) 827-8750
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Don Crowder | 14 May 20:24 2010
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Re: test

Tom King wrote:
> Looks good.
> 
> Quoting Jeffrey Gipson <jeffagipson@...>:
> 
>> test
>>
>> I haven?t received mail on this list since April 24, so I was 
>> wondering if it was still active, or if my account was ?lost.?

Hmm, hard to believe a bunch of geeks have nothing to say isn't it?  Go 
figure.
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Shawn Merdinger | 14 May 20:24 2010
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Re: test

fwiw, there's more activity on the CTLUG mailing list.

cheers,
--scm

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Don Crowder <dondashguitar@...> wrote:
> Hmm, hard to believe a bunch of geeks have nothing to say isn't it?  Go
> figure.
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sistersays | 14 May 22:48 2010
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Lucid 10.04 questions

Since this list has been so quiet, I'll try to get something going . . .

I just got a 1tb drive to install the latest LTS Ubuntu - I've been
doing a lot of video editing and need the space. That will keep my
current 250gb install drive intact should things go south and I'll be
able to transfer settings easily.  It's been several years since I've
gotten into the nitty gritty of installs and tweaks.  At this point,
I'm not feeling very confident about the process.  Some hand-holding
needed . . .

I've done a little research in the Ubuntu forums and have read about
issues with booting properly/GRUB2, hibernation, video cards and even
sound. Has anyone installed 10.04 yet?  If so, how did it go?

Here are some questions:

1.  Should I partition the drive (/, /home and swap) with the Ubuntu
installer or with GParted from the live disk  beforehand?

2.  If I pre-partition the disk, can I use the live disk to install or
do I need to use the alternate disk?

3.  I'm leaning towards using ext3 because I have read about data loss
with ext4.  Any thoughts?

4.  I read that the swap needs to be the same size as total RAM.  Correct?

5.  GRUB2 is supposedly a huge headache.  Any tips?

6.  Will the Start Up-Manager still install custom bootsplash/usplash
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Willie McKemie | 15 May 01:33 2010
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Re: Lucid 10.04 questions

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 03:48:13PM -0500, sistersays wrote:

> sound. Has anyone installed 10.04 yet?  If so, how did it go?

I did an online upgrade to 10.04 a few days ago.  Went smoothly.  I 
haven't yet found anything broken.  Not the case with older upgrades.

A couple of nice new default behaviors:
1) invoking a url from a terminal retains focus on the terminal
2) a new FireFox tab opened from FireFox opens in the adjacent tab 
rather than at the end of the string of tabs

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John Dierdorf | 15 May 04:00 2010
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Re: Lucid 10.04 questions

On Friday, May 14, 2010 03:48:13 pm sistersays wrote:

> 1.  Should I partition the drive (/, /home and swap) with the Ubuntu
> installer or with GParted from the live disk  beforehand?

Shouldn't matter.  AFAIK, both use parted behind the scenes.

> 2.  If I pre-partition the disk, can I use the live disk to install or
> do I need to use the alternate disk?

The live disk will work; just make sure you go into "manual partition" mode to 
assign the partitions correctly.

> 3.  I'm leaning towards using ext3 because I have read about data loss
> with ext4.  Any thoughts?

AFAIK, ext4 is perfectly solid these days.  Certainly it's the default with 
10.04, and that's a LTS (long term support) release where Ubuntu tends to be 
conservative.  The first time Ubuntu does an auto-check of your 1TB ext3 drive, 
I guarantee you'll wish you had selected ext4!

> 4.  I read that the swap needs to be the same size as total RAM.  Correct?

If you want to be able to suspend the computer, you need a minimum swap size 
equal to RAM, because that's where the suspend function parks the working RAM.  
With hard drive sizes the way they are now, you might as well use 2xRAM for 
swap; it's not like you need the space!

BTW, unless you have a teeny-tiny amount of RAM, add the line vm.swappiness=10 
at the end of  /etc/sysctl (it defaults to vm.swappiness=60, which is way too 
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Konrad Rosenbaum | 15 May 08:19 2010
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Re: Lucid 10.04 questions

On Saturday 15 May 2010, John Dierdorf wrote:
> On Friday, May 14, 2010 03:48:13 pm sistersays wrote:
> > 3.  I'm leaning towards using ext3 because I have read about data loss
> > with ext4.  Any thoughts?

Well, any file system can corrupt under your feet. I just lost some data on 
my ext3 /home drive. Blessed be the inventer of the backup! ;-)

> AFAIK, ext4 is perfectly solid these days.  Certainly it's the default
> with 10.04, and that's a LTS (long term support) release where Ubuntu
> tends to be conservative.  The first time Ubuntu does an auto-check of
> your 1TB ext3 drive, I guarantee you'll wish you had selected ext4!

Why is that? Just because of the lost half hour(*) or because it will often 
find something (not in my experience)?

(*) which is pretty fast for a drive that size - try that with ext2! I still 
remember sitting through a 3 hour fsck on a Slowlaris machine with just a 
few GB of disk.

> > 4.  I read that the swap needs to be the same size as total RAM. 
> > Correct?

Swap does not need to be at all - if you have enough RAM - these days 
everything from 2GB upward does not need swapping. Unless you do something 
very memory intensive.

	Konrad
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sistersays | 15 May 17:33 2010
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Re: Lucid 10.04 questions

Hmmm . . . why can't these decisions be clear and simple.  Thanks for
helping me sort through it.

I'm grokking that at least one reason for ext4 is to accommodate the
data on larger drives more efficiently.?  I currently have two 1tb
external backup drives using ext3 which probably need to have an fsck.
 I'll do that later today and see how painful it is.  After reading
some comments about ext4 over the last year, I am still hesitant to go
there despite your recommendation, John.  (BTW many posts on the Lucid
thread accuse 10.04 of being too cutting edge and only for the latest
hardware! The stats in the upgrade/install poll are not encouraging.)
 One idea I ran across was to format / in ext4 and /home in ext3. So
Konrad, are you still using ext3 or did you switch to ext4 after your
data loss?  I also read that ext4 was only transitional and about to
be replaced by yet another file system. Isn't that another reason to
stick with ext3 for the moment?  Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Yes, I need a swap because I use hibernation a LOT.  That assumes of
course that Lucid can even hibernate properly.  In the past it has
required tweaking of obscure files and even BIOS to get it working. I
have 2gb RAM BTW.

Back to another round of preparatory research . . .

Thanks for your help.
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