Cliff Cyphers | 1 Dec 2005 01:22

Re: greylisting (was: Anti-SPAM changes to austinlug.org)

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 10:47:42AM -0600, Wayne Walker wrote:
> 
> What sites do you know of that have such lists?  I probably need to
> update mine.
>

http://greylisting.org/whitelisting.shtml

I've seen others in the past but can't find them right now.
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Thomas Cameron | 1 Dec 2005 04:59

Re: greylisting (was: Anti-SPAM changes to austinlug.org)

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 18:22 -0600, Cliff Cyphers wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 10:47:42AM -0600, Wayne Walker wrote:
> > 
> > What sites do you know of that have such lists?  I probably need to
> > update mine.
> >
> 
> http://greylisting.org/whitelisting.shtml
> 
> I've seen others in the past but can't find them right now.

Grab the latest source from the milter-greylist project.  Even if you
don't use milters, the list that is included is pretty comprehensive.

TC

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Jim Westbrook | 1 Dec 2005 05:02
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Re: ISO Michael Collins

I saw him on Burnet Rd en route to work about a week ago.  I did not get
the chance to converse.

JimW

Joe Barr wrote:

> Has anyone heard from Michael Collins lately?  Is he still in Austin?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
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Clif Smith | 1 Dec 2005 14:13

Re: Update on the Archives

I'll probably have to do something similar in the near future.  What's the solution you settled on?

On 11/28/05, Carl Perry <caperry-Dn0Q76bcrHOzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.orgt> wrote:
So, here's the plan for the mailing list archive revival.  Some have
pointed out that Mailman does archiving, and this is technically true.
The problem is the archiving is very basic.  The mailman archives are
only broken out by month, and then indexed by date, thread, and subject.
While this sounds all nice and good there are very important things
missing.  The missing items of interest to me are integrated search, and
address obfuscation.

Some will say that you can just use ht://dig for search capabilites, and
again they would be technically correct.  However, they would have also
misread the the "itegrated" part of the requirement.

The address obfuscation is the biggie.  Last time I put the mailman
archives online, there was an outroar since all the email addresses were
visible in plaintext.  My solution to this was to implement mharc - a
better (but old) archiving system.  This did obfuscate email addresses,
but in the headers only.  The other problem was all the links still had
cleartext addresses in them.  The outroar continued, but not as severe.

mharc had other issues, mainly that it needed mailman to exist within
it's install tree without symlinks outside it's chroot to operate
properly.  This didn't allow me to use the distro provided mailman
install, which increased the admin time, yadda, yadda, yadda.

With the HD crash on the server, and a fresh OS re-install it seemed
stupid to maintain the old archive system that didn't really fulfill the
requirements anyway.  So, I've continued the search and finally found a
worthwhile solution.

In the mean time, I didn't link to the mailman archives because SPAM was
already an issue and adding more plaintext addresses in an easy to parse
format on the website wouldn't help.

Currently, the archives are being imported and indexed into this new
system.  Once that's done, the links on the homepage will be updated and
an announcement made to this list.  In the mean time, sit tight.  The
process should take no more than a few days.
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Joe Barr | 1 Dec 2005 15:08

Re: ISO Michael Collins


Thanks, Jim.

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 22:02 -0600, Jim Westbrook wrote:
> I saw him on Burnet Rd en route to work about a week ago.  I did not get
> the chance to converse.
> 
> JimW
> 
> Joe Barr wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone heard from Michael Collins lately?  Is he still in Austin?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
> >
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Paul Elliott | 1 Dec 2005 19:22
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web site does not say where tonight's meeting is.

I looked on the web site and could not see
any indication on the calendar or main page.

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alg | 1 Dec 2005 19:39

Public Mailing List Changes!! (Includes Archives!)

Greetings all -

	Over the past few months, the elected board of the Austin Linux Group
has been reviewing the mailing lists we host, their policies, and usage
based on feedback from the users.  I'm pleased to announce the
following:

1) alg@... has changed it's name to "The Austin (TX) and Linux
General Discussion Mailing List".  This brings the description of list
closer to what really happens there.  We've also made a few changes to
policy reguarding this list.  This list is now a public service provided
by The Austin Linux Group, Inc.  and we've changed the moderation policy
to self-moderation (as in it's up the list members to decide what is on
and off topic).  This basically means that the (new defunct) alg-ot list
is no longer needed, and for the most part The Austin Linux Group, Inc.
doesn't enforce policy on this list (past what has already been stated).
Once we get the anti-spam stuff figured out, we plan on making this list
open posting as well.

2) We've created a new mailing list <alg-technical@...>.  This
is the "Austin (TX) Linux Group Linux and Open Source Technical
Discussion List".  Does this list have overlap with the
alg@... list, but at the same time it has a much tighter
focus.  This list is exclusively for technical dicussion, and off-topic
posts will be subject to moderator action.  The list is
subscription-required, and on-line now.  To subscribe, send a message to
alg-technical-subscribe@... and follow the directions.

3) We are in the process of populating <alg-members@...>.
This list will be for Active Members (aka dues paid) of The Austin Linux
Group, Inc.  Upon reciept of your dues, your email address will be
invited to the list, and you will be automatically unsubscribed at the
end of your membership period.  This list will be for member discussion,
event planning, etc.  I hope to have all the parts of this list done in
the next month.

4) We have archives!  The links on the homepage for the group
(http://www.austinlug.org) now point to the new archives.  We're using
gmane for all our archives at this point - it's fast, they encrypt email
addresses, and have a very nice interface (NNTP as well as web based).
Posting is supported via their NNTP interface, provided you are a
subscriber to the list.  The list info pages are also updated with the
correct links.

If you have any questions, please let me (or any other board member)
know.  Thanks for your time!
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Chip Rosenthal | 1 Dec 2005 19:43
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Re: anybody interested in a Dec 10 installfest

On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 12:50:58PM -0600, Paul Elliott wrote:
> What conditions would prevail at the sale? We would need a table
> and power, a network connection would be helpfull, but not absolutely
> required.

Here is the response I sent to Paul when he emailed me privately:

> I'm going to try to arrange for tables, chairs, and power.  I'd like
> Internet access, but suspect it won't be available.  We'll setup a
> server and network to run the installs.

We're actually rethinking this, and may want to do CD installs instead.

Is anybody interested in helping with the installfest at the Dec 10
Austin Free-Net garage sale?

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Chip Rosenthal | 1 Dec 2005 19:48
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Re: anybody interested in a Dec 10 installfest

On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 01:05:50PM -0600, Mischa D. Krilov wrote:
> I still have some older distros on CDs that might play nicer on older hardware.

I'm giving Mandriva 2006 serious consideration. You can do an install
with IceWm (no KDE or Gnome desktop), and it provides (at least via the
"Contributed" repository) a bunch of the apps I think we'd want to set
somebody up with (Firefox, Thunderbird, abiword, etc.)

I just did a test load on a PII 400MHz system with 256MB memory, and it
was very reasonable.

The downside is that, unlike, say, Ubuntu, you aren't ready to roll once
you finish the default install.  You need to do quite a bit of setup
work once the load finishes.  (For instance, the default install has
an application launch button for "emacs" but not "email".  That's wrong
for this audience.) I'm looking into how some of that can be automated.

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Jim Parkhurst | 1 Dec 2005 19:55
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Re: Public Mailing List Changes!! (Includes Archives!)

8-)

>>> caperry@... 12/01/2005 12:39 >>>
Greetings all -

	Over the past few months, the elected board of the Austin Linux
Group
has been reviewing the mailing lists we host, their policies, and
usage
based on feedback from the users.  I'm pleased to announce the
following:

1) alg@... has changed it's name to "The Austin (TX) and
Linux
General Discussion Mailing List".  This brings the description of list
closer to what really happens there.  We've also made a few changes to
policy reguarding this list.  This list is now a public service
provided
by The Austin Linux Group, Inc.  and we've changed the moderation
policy
to self-moderation (as in it's up the list members to decide what is
on
and off topic).  This basically means that the (new defunct) alg-ot
list
is no longer needed, and for the most part The Austin Linux Group,
Inc.
doesn't enforce policy on this list (past what has already been
stated).
Once we get the anti-spam stuff figured out, we plan on making this
list
open posting as well.

2) We've created a new mailing list <alg-technical@...>. 
This
is the "Austin (TX) Linux Group Linux and Open Source Technical
Discussion List".  Does this list have overlap with the
alg@... list, but at the same time it has a much tighter
focus.  This list is exclusively for technical dicussion, and
off-topic
posts will be subject to moderator action.  The list is
subscription-required, and on-line now.  To subscribe, send a message
to
alg-technical-subscribe@... and follow the directions.

3) We are in the process of populating <alg-members@...>.
This list will be for Active Members (aka dues paid) of The Austin
Linux
Group, Inc.  Upon reciept of your dues, your email address will be
invited to the list, and you will be automatically unsubscribed at the
end of your membership period.  This list will be for member
discussion,
event planning, etc.  I hope to have all the parts of this list done
in
the next month.

4) We have archives!  The links on the homepage for the group
(http://www.austinlug.org) now point to the new archives.  We're using
gmane for all our archives at this point - it's fast, they encrypt
email
addresses, and have a very nice interface (NNTP as well as web based).
Posting is supported via their NNTP interface, provided you are a
subscriber to the list.  The list info pages are also updated with the
correct links.

If you have any questions, please let me (or any other board member)
know.  Thanks for your time!
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