Re: Use of the Waller Creek facility

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 07:49:15AM -0500, Scott Brown wrote:
> Well, I was talking with the city CIO yesterday and he wants to extend
> an invitation out the the ALG to be able to use the city facilities at
> Waller Creek again.  Both Paul Fiero and I talked to him about what
> happened in the past (with Water/Wastewater kicking the group out) and
> I'm guessing he went and had a talk with them.  

   Thanks Scott! And thanks to your CIO for this generous offer. 
Having too many places to meet is a good thing. Any change
in their internet use policy? Having access would allow us to
do more interesting things.

 -Phil
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Re: [Fwd: Out of Office AutoReply:

Did you get one after you posted your reply?  I've gotten an out of
office.  Where I used to work, Outlook only sent an out of office reply
ONCE per person reguardless of how many messages the person sent.  

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 16:25, Tracey Grrl Geek wrote:
> FWIW I haven't gotten any auto-replies from this person. As Jim pointed
> out, it went to acp, not to the list. (Don't know why)
> 
> 
> And it was said by Jim Parkhurst-->
> > Since the autoreply was to you not the ALG list...
> >
> >>>> acpearce@... 07/31/2003 16:12 >>>
> >
> > Uh, doesn't someone need to unsub this person??
> > acp
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [alg] for TWC?????, was: Installfest?
> > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:47:53 -0500
> > From: Thomas_Ruiz@...
> > To: acpearce@...
> >
> >
> >
> > I am out of office from July 31 to August 1. Will be back on Monday,
> > August 4th. Will respond to emails upon return to work.
> >
> >
> >

[Fwd: Computer Club Of Austin General Mtg. - Linux Terminal Server Project 08/05/03]]

-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Errol Tyrone Olson <errolty@...>
To: Linux SIG <lbsig@...>
Cc: stugreen@...
Subject: Computer Club Of Austin General Mtg. -  Linux Terminal Server Project  08/05/03
Date: 31 Jul 2003 16:00:48 -0700

Linux Terminal Server Project

Thin computing with Open Source Software cuts costs,
increases efficiency in Business, School and Home
computing.
Presented by Thomas Griffing, Pondus Solutions, Inc.
WWW.PONDUSSOLUTIONS.COM
 	Red Hat Linux

Tuesday, August 5, 7:00 pm
Computer Club of Austin, General Meeting
www.ccaustin.org

Joe C. Thompson Center, UT Campus
Dean Keaton (26th) and Red River

Thomas Griffing will present the benefits of using the
Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP) and Open Source
Software. A diskless thin client will demonstrate how LTSP
and Open Source Software can provide an effective
replacement for typical PCs and commercial software.

Benefits of the LTSP environment include:

Python and timestamp

Rick,
You might want to look at this page 
http://starship.python.net/crew/gandalf/rtlinux/luz.cs.nmt.edu/%257Ertlinux/mail_arch/msg00424.html

[Fwd: Re: for TWC?????, was: Installfest?]

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Re: [alg] for TWC?????, was: Installfest?

Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:28:50 -0500

acp <acpearce-Xhj3G7Rj6JI@public.gmane.org>

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It is disgust.  Pure disgust.  

They have a lot of nerve messing people over and then
asking anything from ANY one in the IT domain.
I can't imagine stabbing a co-worker in the back and then
asking for their help.  It's the same thing.  
Hey -- now that I put it in those words.  People do things
like that all the time and never think twice about it.  

Basically, what is happening is TWC is getting free help,
for people they were unable to shaft, from other people
in the IT industry.  No matter what they (TWC) do, they
come out smelling like a rose.  

I appealed denial of my benefits (because I was in OK looking
for a job) for over 6 months and got the runaround the whole time.
I've since found out they have done similar strange things to other
people.  They will do anything to deny a legitimate claim.  As
far as I'm concerned TWC is scum and I would never consciously
do anything to help them shaft people.

If they were making a genuine effort to help people, that would be
different, but their efforts are instead, directed towards getting
people off their rolls, by whatever unethical means they can employ.
I'm not kidding about the lawyer.  If I could find one who would take
the case for a percentage,  I have what I think would be legitimate
cases against TWC and other state agencies for discrimination and
separation of church & state issues.
acp
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John Buttery wrote:

* acp <acpearce-Xhj3G7Rj6JI@public.gmane.org> [2003-07-30 01:23:23 -0500]:

I thought it was AT the TWC. I didn't realize it was only for TWC. They've got a lot of nerve -- I wonder how many IT people in town they have messed over by this time? And they are getting people to volunteer their time and effort to coddle their chosen few?? Pretty funny. I'm really glad I was out of town when this project started. Anyone know of a good labor lawyer who would be willing to take on TWC for a percentage??

As much as I like a good orifice-tearing, I have to admit I'm a bit lost here. They asked for some volunteers, people volunteered... ? I'll admit it is a bit odd but I don't see the justification for getting angry at them unless I'm missing something here...

-- acp ******************************************************************** * A. Collene Pearce * acpearce-Xhj3G7Rj6JI@public.gmane.org * www.jump.net/~collene * ********************************************************************

[Fwd: Re: Old SupraExpress 56i Sp ISA modem]

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Re: [alg] Old SupraExpress 56i Sp ISA modem

Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:28:59 -0500

acp <acpearce-Xhj3G7Rj6JI@public.gmane.org>

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let me go dig for the book. acp Donn aka n5xwb Washburn wrote: > acp wrote: > >> That sounds REALLY familiar. Do you have a model number >> or anything else that would tell me. Isn't a Supra Express >> same as a Diamond Supra??? >> >> acp >> -------- >> >> Donn aka n5xwb Washburn wrote: >> >> >>> Hey Group; >>> >>> Due to this lovely economy I am still faced with a miserable phone >>> line modem. However, SuSE 8.2 is becoming a real headache. Knoppix >>> works with this modem but SuSE 8.2 fails. It seems that SuSE and >>> mincom finds it on ttyS1 and ttyS2. I suspect the problem is >>> jumpers of which there are 6 sets A0 - A5. Unfortunatly there seems >>> to be no spec on the net any longer. My book is lost in the move >>> from Austin to Houston (arm pit of the world). >>> >>> Does anyone have a copy of the jumper sets? >>> >>> The modem in this machine has jumper to set the IRQ and address >>> pulse brains. It has never seen a window other than a xterm. >>> >> >> > Diamond Multimedia P/N 235540009-002 LT2080 SupraExpress 56i Sp modem > It is a 8bit + 4 connections on the 16bit ISA card with 6 jumpers next > to the E9718AJE4 1 inch x 1 inch chip/ > > Jumpers are like > > A0, A1, A2, A3, A4, A5 > > I think A0 set PnP on/off > A1 may be nothing > A2-5 may be IRQs > > I will try this using Knoppix and see if I can pick out the jumper > meaning. It does work with Knoppix and fails with SuSE82. > > -- acp ******************************************************************** * A. Collene Pearce * acpearce-Xhj3G7Rj6JI@public.gmane.org * www.jump.net/~collene * ********************************************************************
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Re: for TWC?????, was: Installfest?

* Tracey Grrl Geek <grrliegeek@...> [2003-07-31 12:14:47 -0500]:
> I don't think there was a clear announcement to the list when it
> happened, something we can discuss at the post-mortem. The request to
> the volunteers to limit the audience went out on July 8th. I *think*
> the issue got brought up at the next meeting and no objections were
> raised but I don't see it in the minutes of either the July 3 or the
> July 10th meetings.

  [hold that thought...]

> That's a good question. I hope Newton can clarify this onlist &
> tonight at the meeting, I'll make a point to bring it up if you're not
> there. (I hope you'll be there, I haven't seen you since your talk on
> pgp / gpg).

  Yeah, it's too bad because I'd like to make some of the meetings.  It
all hinges on my ability to remember to get to bed early on Thursday
morning, which I almost never remember to do, so I can get up early
enough.  :p  I'm kinda hoping that paying the membership dues will help
motivate me to become more involved.

> My understanding is that while the TWC seems to be a state run
> organization, the people who were targeted are unemployeed folks.
> However, since I don't know any details on who is signed up I can't
> say that state employees haven't signed up. However, the goal is not
> training state employees in Linux it's helping the unemployed. I
> expect that most if not all of our attendees will be unemployed people
> who are being helped to have new job skills.

  [resume thought...]

  That's good.  As you suggested in a previous email, the bone of
contention (for me anyway) isn't so much the thought of only helping
TWC's employees, but rather the act of switching midstream itself.  In
point of fact, I'm actually relatively confident that what's-her-name
that pulled the switcheroo felt a bit bad about it, possibly even that
some bigwig made her do it, and that this whole thing is just a bad
scene that both sides regret not handling better.

> Ouch. What makes you say that the people who will gain Linux skills
> this weekend would be qualified to replace you at your job? Why do you
> think they would be paid half as much?

  Well, that was actually supposed to be a bit of a joke, although it is
grounded in reality as my company is actively, as we speak, hemorrhaging
American employees and vacuuming up Indian ones.  But, it is true that
anyone with a fair amount of general computer and network knowledge
could do the job I have, and I guarantee the company would want to save
some money on salary if they replaced me.  *shrug*

> To be honest, I had assumed Newton would have done this since he's the
> organizer. Newton has done an excellent job as a coordinator so far, I
> won't rag on him for this one oversight. We'll learn & do a better job
> next time :) While I think it was mentioned at a meeting that the TWC
> people were being given first crack at the slots, I know a vote was
> never called on changing the Installfest.

  Yeah, hindsight is always 20/20, as they say.  And again, I'm sure at
the end of the day this all happened in good faith rather than any
carefully executed ruse.  If it were actual TWC employees, I would be
suspicious though.  :)

> I have to admit to similar curiosity. What would have happened if we
> had said that no, we didn't want to limit the participation to TWC
> folx first or that it had to be put to a vote by ALG members first?

  *nod*

> Also, I have to wonder if this has affected any of our member's
> willingness to attend? Is there anyone who had their plans affected by
> this change?

  Well, although I'll admit to being a bit miffed, I can personally say
that I'm still planning on coming by for the afternoon...I can't
possibly be up by 9:00, even if there _is_ free food! :p

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Re: for TWC?????, was: Installfest?

* Jim Parkhurst <JPARKHUR@...> [2003-07-31 16:08:21 -0500]:
> Not to those of use who have been following the writings...

   Hey, for what it's worth, I've read every post on this mailing list
for as long as I've been subscribed, and my leading _two_ theories on
what "join ALG/TWC installfest" meant were both wrong.  :p
  But anyway, I agree with Tracy, it's water under the bridge now.
Those who feel strongly about it can/should vote with their feet;
personally I'm still planning to go but I know how it feels to have
strong opinions (hi Bob :)) so I certainly wouldn't hold it against
anyone else if they decided to change their mind...I mean, not that
anything hinges on my approval, just speaking in the abstract. :)

  Wait a minute...I've just for the first time actually looked at your
email address.  You work for the state!  That's why you're on THEIR
side, with THEM!  Conspiracy!  Conspiracy!

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Re: [Fwd: Out of Office AutoReply:

* Tracey Grrl Geek <grrliegeek@...> [2003-07-31 16:25:51 -0500]:
> FWIW I haven't gotten any auto-replies from this person. As Jim pointed
> out, it went to acp, not to the list. (Don't know why)

  Auto-replies are generally sent to the contents of From: rather than
something else like Sender: or the envelope from address.  I got one of
these too and sent him an electronic *fwap*.  :)

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Re: [Fwd: Computer Club Of Austin General Mtg. - Linux Terminal Server Project 08/05/03]]

When did they change their name?

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 22:49, Bill Eastman wrote:
> -----Forwarded Message-----
> From: Errol Tyrone Olson <errolty@...>
> To: Linux SIG <lbsig@...>
> Cc: stugreen@...
> Subject: Computer Club Of Austin General Mtg. -  Linux Terminal Server Project  08/05/03
> Date: 31 Jul 2003 16:00:48 -0700
> 
> Linux Terminal Server Project
> 
> Thin computing with Open Source Software cuts costs,
> increases efficiency in Business, School and Home
> computing.
> Presented by Thomas Griffing, Pondus Solutions, Inc.
> WWW.PONDUSSOLUTIONS.COM
>  	Red Hat Linux
> 
> 
> Tuesday, August 5, 7:00 pm
> Computer Club of Austin, General Meeting
> www.ccaustin.org
> 
> Joe C. Thompson Center, UT Campus
> Dean Keaton (26th) and Red River
> 
> Thomas Griffing will present the benefits of using the
> Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP) and Open Source
> Software. A diskless thin client will demonstrate how LTSP
> and Open Source Software can provide an effective
> replacement for typical PCs and commercial software.
> 
> Benefits of the LTSP environment include:
> Compatible applications
> Low TCO (Total Cost of Ownership)
> Work with existing infrastructure
> Low administration and down time
> Secure computing
> 
> This Flyer prepared with Open Source Software.
> 
> Errol Tyrone Olson
> ERROLTY@...
> Program Director, Computer Club of Austin [A.K.A. Central
> Texas PC User's Group] 
> Check us out at WWW.CCAUSTIN.ORG [501] [c][3] Non Profit
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