Re: Google sues the usa govt

Good News let hope they win.  I think that if it did win Linux may have 
a new leg to stand on.

On 11/01/2010 07:31 PM, Sid Boyce wrote:
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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101030/23442911657/google-sues-the-us-government-for-only-considering-microsoft-solut 
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> The GAO says MS solution has "Enhanced Security", they are surely
> having a laugh.

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python IDE

 could someone recommend a python development environment.

 do

Re: python IDE

Personally I don't use an IDE, but I've heard a lot of people way Wing
(http://www.wingware.com/) is good.

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On 7 November 2010 09:37,  <nameless@...> wrote:
> could someone recommend a python development environment.
>
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Re: python IDE

*say

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On 7 November 2010 10:50, David Claridge <daave@...> wrote:
> Personally I don't use an IDE, but I've heard a lot of people way Wing
> (http://www.wingware.com/) is good.
>
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>
>
> On 7 November 2010 09:37,  <nameless@...> wrote:
>> could someone recommend a python development environment.
>>
>> do
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Re: python IDE

I evaluated several Python IDEs in an effort to make more comfortable our Visual Studio developers on a new
Python project.  I tried most everything out there (except PyCharm, which either wasn't available at the
time or I didn't find).  I settled on WingIDE because it's features were really unmatched.

Some of the notable features:

1. Debugger.  This is just a killer feature.  You can view the stack of a running Python program, change
variables, set breakpoints, evaluate code in an interpreter attached to the application you are
debugging, do remote debugging, set conditional breakpoints, etc.  The debugger also integrates well
with Django, Twisted, etc.

2. Great code completion.  More thorough than others.

3. Excellent support.  They have a mailing list that is monitored and all questions are answered extremely
quickly and they are answered by developers, not support people.

They have a 30 day trial so I highly recommend checking Wing out.  I still do all my heavy editing in vim but when
it comes to tracking down complex bugs, or writing code with interfaces you are not familiar with, I'll
often fire up Wing.

On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 10:50:43AM -0600, David Claridge wrote:
> Personally I don't use an IDE, but I've heard a lot of people way Wing
> (http://www.wingware.com/) is good.
> 
> --
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> On 7 November 2010 09:37,  <nameless@...> wrote:

Fwd: Re: python IDE Thanks Josh and Dave

 Thanks Josh and Dave.

 do

 -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: Re: [ALG-technical] python IDE
 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 00:36:11 -0600
 From: Josh <bolapara@...>
 To: "The Austin (TX) Linux Group Linux and Open Source Technical 
 Discussion List" <alg-technical@...>
 Reply-To: "The Austin \(TX\) Linux Group Linux and Open Source 
 Technical Discussion List" <alg-technical@...>

 I evaluated several Python IDEs in an effort to make more comfortable 
 our Visual Studio developers on a new Python project.  I tried most 
 everything out there (except PyCharm, which either wasn't available at 
 the time or I didn't find).  I settled on WingIDE because it's features 
 were really unmatched.

 Some of the notable features:

 1. Debugger.  This is just a killer feature.  You can view the stack of 
 a running Python program, change variables, set breakpoints, evaluate 
 code in an interpreter attached to the application you are debugging, do 
 remote debugging, set conditional breakpoints, etc.  The debugger also 
 integrates well with Django, Twisted, etc.

 2. Great code completion.  More thorough than others.

 3. Excellent support.  They have a mailing list that is monitored and 

Re: python IDE

On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 12:36:11AM -0600, Josh wrote:
> 
> They have a 30 day trial so I highly recommend checking Wing out.  I still do all my heavy editing in vim but
when it comes to tracking down complex bugs, or writing code with interfaces you are not familiar with,
I'll often fire up Wing.
> 

I recommend freesoftware. Freedom is not free, but slavery costs too.

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On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 12:36:11AM -0600, Josh wrote:
> 
> They have a 30 day trial so I highly recommend checking Wing out.  I still do all my heavy editing in vim but
when it comes to tracking down complex bugs, or writing code with interfaces you are not familiar with,
I'll often fire up Wing.
> 

I recommend freesoftware. Freedom is not free, but slavery costs too.

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Re: python IDE

On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 02:58:54PM -0600, Paul Elliott wrote:

I'm am a strong believer in and a huge advocate for Free Software.  With the exception of my girlfriend's
MacBook Pro, I have no computers in my house with anything other than free software on it.  I purchase
hardware specifically so that the number of binary only driver/blobs are kept to near zero (damn wireless
vendors).  I recommend Free Software to friends when appropriate and even help them get started.  I
naturally look for free software solutions for work problems as well.  In fact, the Python project I a
working on was going to be a .NET application until I was able to proof of concept a better solution that just
so happened to be built on and with free software.  I happen to also be pragmatic and when there are no Free
Software solutions that appropriately fit the bill, there are 
 some times when a closed solution is the best business decision.  This was one of those times.

That being said, with regards to features, the closest open source project was Eclipse with PyDev. 
However, for me it was fairly buggy, bloated (Eclipse!), and didn't provide the breadth or depth of
features Wing did.  I'd have happily dealt with bloat if it were not for the instability.

> On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 12:36:11AM -0600, Josh wrote:
> > 
> > They have a 30 day trial so I highly recommend checking Wing out.  I still do all my heavy editing in vim but
when it comes to tracking down complex bugs, or writing code with interfaces you are not familiar with,
I'll often fire up Wing.
> > 
> 
> I recommend freesoftware. Freedom is not free, but slavery costs too.
> 
> -- 
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Re: LVM as RAID replacement?

<div>
    Dear Confused -<br><br>
    According to the undisputed source of all facts on the Internet
    (wikipedia):<br><br><p>LVM does not:</p>
    <ul>
<li>Provide <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_bit" title="Parity bit">parity</a>-based redundancy across LVs, as
        with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels" title="Standard RAID levels">RAID levels</a> 3 through 6. This
        functionality is instead provided by the Linux <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mdadm" title="Mdadm">multiple
          disk subsystem</a>, which can be used as LVM physical volumes.</li>
    </ul>
<br>
    In all seriousness, I'm fairly certain that statement is true.&nbsp;
    However using LVM instead of parity RAID does have some advantages,
    like growing the size without destroying the array.&nbsp; I like using
    LVM over RAID1 instead of RAID10 for that reason.&nbsp; Hope that helps.<br><br>
    &nbsp; -Carl<br><br>
    On 11/9/10 9:00 AM, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:AANLkTi=E78TG5CZt5rBcVyQkZSB9+tM6T=zE7iWLGGnR <at> mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Hello,<br><br>
      I talked with a guy the other day about LVM in Linux and he said
      that<br>
      LVM can act as a full RAID5 replacement allowing you to not worry
      about<br>
      any sort of lower-level RAID management (i.e. mdadm, nvidia
      raid)?&nbsp; He<br>
      said you could do it using "LVM mirrored striping"..&nbsp; I did some<br>
      searches in google and I couldn't find much on this.<br><br>
      Is this possible?<br><br><br><br>
      Confused,<br><br>
      Robert<br><br>

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Re: LVM as RAID replacement?

<div>
<p>Dear Unconfused -<br><br>Thanks for the update!&nbsp; Honestly everything I was finding said exactly that including wikipedia, but since I haven't extensively used LVM in a few years and this person seemed to "know" that this type of LVM setup was indeed possible, I figured I would consult with others.<br><br><br>-Robert<br><br><br><br></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Carl Perry <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:caperry <at> edolnx.net">caperry@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">

  

  
  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
    Dear Confused -<br><br>
    According to the undisputed source of all facts on the Internet
    (wikipedia):<br><br><p>LVM does not:</p>
    <ul>
<li>Provide <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parity_bit" title="Parity bit" target="_blank">parity</a>-based redundancy across LVs, as
        with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels" title="Standard RAID levels" target="_blank">RAID levels</a> 3 through 6. This
        functionality is instead provided by the Linux <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mdadm" title="Mdadm" target="_blank">multiple
          disk subsystem</a>, which can be used as LVM physical volumes.</li>
    </ul>
<br>
    In all seriousness, I'm fairly certain that statement is true.&nbsp;
    However using LVM instead of parity RAID does have some advantages,
    like growing the size without destroying the array.&nbsp; I like using
    LVM over RAID1 instead of RAID10 for that reason.&nbsp; Hope that helps.<br><br>
    &nbsp; -Carl<div>
<div></div>
<div class="h5">
<br><br>
    On 11/9/10 9:00 AM, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
    </div>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div></div>
<div class="h5">Hello,<br><br>
      I talked with a guy the other day about LVM in Linux and he said
      that<br>
      LVM can act as a full RAID5 replacement allowing you to not worry
      about<br>
      any sort of lower-level RAID management (i.e. mdadm, nvidia
      raid)?&nbsp; He<br>
      said you could do it using "LVM mirrored striping"..&nbsp; I did some<br>
      searches in google and I couldn't find much on this.<br><br>
      Is this possible?<br><br><br><br>
      Confused,<br><br>
      Robert<br><br>
</div>
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