Robert Parkhurst | 2 Aug 00:23 2010
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Re: [ALG-technical] RHCE Testing in Austin, TX?

Hey guys,


Thanks for the updates!  I'll be looking at signing up for this!


...and I hope no one flys a plane in any place I'm testing at!


Robert




On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Tom Schenk <tschenk-YrBmTB0JB6xAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
They offer the fast track training (RH300 course) and the two individual
courses (don't know the numbers) at the Echelon buildings (the same
office complex that housed the IRS offices that were attacked by the
plane here in Austin) and the next class starts on 23 August.  It is run
by St Edwards continuing education program.  If you aren't familiar with
where the Echelon buildings are located, they are near the intersection
of 183 and 360.

If you are going to be paying for this yourself, then you can register
directly through RedHat at their website, with the caveat that you have
to pay by check or credit card.  If you need to pay by purchase order
(your employer is paying, for example) then you have to use a Redhat
Training partner to register that accepts POs.  The one I used (my
company is paying for my certification) can be found here:

http://www.unitek.com/training/

They offer the same prices as Redhat does directly but offer additional
ways to pay for the course besides check or credit card.

Tom S.

On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 15:19 -0500, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey Group!
>
> I'm looking to start my RHCE and I was wondering if any of you knew
> if/where Austin's test centers were for RHCE?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
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Carl Perry | 4 Aug 00:56 2010
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The Undiscovered Country: The Future of ALG

(This is a copy of the message sent to the General Discussion List.  If
you read it there, you can ignore this)

Greetings Austin Linux Group -

Since being elected President of our group several weeks back, I've been
doing a lot of research and talking to a lot of other LUGs to see what
we can do to keep ALG alive.  I'm not going to lie to you: I say "keep
ALG alive" because the group is dying.  However, this is not a problem
that is specific to our group.  LUGs all across the country, and the
globe, are suffering the same problem.  The questions is what can be
done about it?

I ran for President of this group because I feel that there is a chance
we can transform ALG into something better.  It's a slim chance, and I
cannot guarantee success, but it's a chance.  I didn't run for this
office to bury ALG unless, by action or inaction, that is what the group
wants.

The power of ALG has always been it's collective knowledge base.  A lot
of that knowledge has been centered around a few key people, and not all
of them have been able to attend meeting recently.  That has really hurt
the quality and the content of meetings.  Because of that, meeting
attendance has dropped off which has caused a spiral effect where we
cannot get people to attend or present because attendance has been so
low.  To me, the outcome seems obvious: the meetings can no longer be
the central point of ALG.

If the meetings are no longer the central gathering place of the group,
that leaves only the mailing lists and the website as possible
alternatives.  I know it's not the website.  The Google Analytics page
for austinlug.org says the website receives less than 10 visits per day,
and most of that are search engines.  The mailing lists are not much
better: mail delivery on the ALG General list was broken to Road Runner
customers for over two months before anyone noticed, and posting levels
are less than a dozen messages per month.  Needless to say, the
situation looks bleak.

However, I think we can get out of this - but it's going to take a group
effort.  What made ALG fun was the exchange of information, the problem
solving, the ability to help users get the most out of Linux for
whatever their needs.  There has been a focus, every now and then, to
bring back Installfests for this reason.  However, have you installed
Linux recently?  It's easier than installing Windows.  Sure, some people
have obscure hardware and that can cause problems, but over 90% of the
people who want to install Linux can without our help.  Where people get
lost is what to do after that.

Many, many moons ago I talked about trying to start the Linux Knowledge
Network within ALG.  It was met with a large amount of support for the
idea, and very little action.  Part of this is my fault, I fell into the
Open Source trap of "throw an idea to the wind and watch it transform
into a beautiful, profitable, butterfly".  In reality, and idea thrown
to the wind is more like Windows 95: a lot of hot air.  But, that idea
has stuck with me as needed for the community.  Users can find help
getting started, but they cannot easily find reliable help "doing
stuff".  Let's say you have a digital camera and a Linux workstation. 
How do you make them talk?  How do you edit photos?  How do you share
those with your family?  How do you print them?  (That last question can
even stump me!)  This is where our collective knowledge can come
together and make a difference: user education.

Here is what I propose:

1) The in-person meetings of ALG will continue, but in all likelihood
will drop in frequency.  Average attendance, I'm told, is 3 people.  I
haven't been attending because my current third-shift work schedule
makes it very difficult for me.  But my situation is not uncommon,
people are busy.  This is the primary reason why I think ALG should
focus more on an on-line presence.

2) ALG needs to overhaul of our website. I'd like to ask for a team of
volunteers who will head up the ALG Website Steering Group.  Programming
experience is not required.  We need ideas of what works, what doesn't
work, and what would be good additions to our website to make it a
useful part of the Austin Linux Ecology.

3) We start the design on a new project, the rebirth of The Linux
Knowledge Network.  This, too, will need a steering group.  Unlike
before, the goal is not to publish books, but to provide a comprehensive
directory of knowledge of how to make Linux work for the user.  Examples
would be a hardware support database, video tutorials, and articles
which cover day-to-day use topics.  This will result in a new website,
on a new domain.

The goal of moving ALG to a more "virtual" group will mean allowing more
people to join.  I feel ALG should be limited to a more local geography,
while the Linux Knowledge Network (LKN) can use ALG as a seed and spread
as far and wide as possible.

The questions becomes, do you want to help?

This may be ALG's last chance to survive, but it cannot be done by the
five person Board of Directors.  It takes a community to make ALG go,
and it will take a community to make ALG thrive again.  I welcome
discussion on these proposals on the General Discussion List
<alg@...>.  If you are interested in joining one of the
steering groups, please send me a message directly. 

That said, time is not on our side. In the interest of trying to gage a
level of support I'm going to limit the steering group signups and new
proposals to no later than August 22nd, 2010.  If we do not have a
consensus or at least a good discussion going by then, I don't believe
there would be enough interest to continue this course of action.  Let
me be clear: I did not come to bury ALG, but I have no interest in
keeping it on life support indefinitely.

If any of you are members of other Austin area Linux support/help/user
groups, please spread the word.  Any and all are welcome to join the
discussion and (hopefully) offer a hand.  I would love nothing more than
all the area groups to work together towards bettering the Linux
community for everyone.

Thanks for your time reading this message, and I look forward to reading
your comments in the weeks to come.  If you have any questions, my INBOX
is always open.  Have a great day!

  -Carl Perry, President, Austin Linux Group

(This is a copy of the message sent to the General Discussion List.  If
you read it there, you can ignore this)

Greetings Austin Linux Group -

Since being elected President of our group several weeks back, I've been
doing a lot of research and talking to a lot of other LUGs to see what
we can do to keep ALG alive.  I'm not going to lie to you: I say "keep
ALG alive" because the group is dying.  However, this is not a problem
that is specific to our group.  LUGs all across the country, and the
globe, are suffering the same problem.  The questions is what can be
done about it?

I ran for President of this group because I feel that there is a chance
we can transform ALG into something better.  It's a slim chance, and I
cannot guarantee success, but it's a chance.  I didn't run for this
office to bury ALG unless, by action or inaction, that is what the group
wants.

The power of ALG has always been it's collective knowledge base.  A lot
of that knowledge has been centered around a few key people, and not all
of them have been able to attend meeting recently.  That has really hurt
the quality and the content of meetings.  Because of that, meeting
attendance has dropped off which has caused a spiral effect where we
cannot get people to attend or present because attendance has been so
low.  To me, the outcome seems obvious: the meetings can no longer be
the central point of ALG.

If the meetings are no longer the central gathering place of the group,
that leaves only the mailing lists and the website as possible
alternatives.  I know it's not the website.  The Google Analytics page
for austinlug.org says the website receives less than 10 visits per day,
and most of that are search engines.  The mailing lists are not much
better: mail delivery on the ALG General list was broken to Road Runner
customers for over two months before anyone noticed, and posting levels
are less than a dozen messages per month.  Needless to say, the
situation looks bleak.

However, I think we can get out of this - but it's going to take a group
effort.  What made ALG fun was the exchange of information, the problem
solving, the ability to help users get the most out of Linux for
whatever their needs.  There has been a focus, every now and then, to
bring back Installfests for this reason.  However, have you installed
Linux recently?  It's easier than installing Windows.  Sure, some people
have obscure hardware and that can cause problems, but over 90% of the
people who want to install Linux can without our help.  Where people get
lost is what to do after that.

Many, many moons ago I talked about trying to start the Linux Knowledge
Network within ALG.  It was met with a large amount of support for the
idea, and very little action.  Part of this is my fault, I fell into the
Open Source trap of "throw an idea to the wind and watch it transform
into a beautiful, profitable, butterfly".  In reality, and idea thrown
to the wind is more like Windows 95: a lot of hot air.  But, that idea
has stuck with me as needed for the community.  Users can find help
getting started, but they cannot easily find reliable help "doing
stuff".  Let's say you have a digital camera and a Linux workstation. 
How do you make them talk?  How do you edit photos?  How do you share
those with your family?  How do you print them?  (That last question can
even stump me!)  This is where our collective knowledge can come
together and make a difference: user education.

Here is what I propose:

1) The in-person meetings of ALG will continue, but in all likelihood
will drop in frequency.  Average attendance, I'm told, is 3 people.  I
haven't been attending because my current third-shift work schedule
makes it very difficult for me.  But my situation is not uncommon,
people are busy.  This is the primary reason why I think ALG should
focus more on an on-line presence.

2) ALG needs to overhaul of our website. I'd like to ask for a team of
volunteers who will head up the ALG Website Steering Group.  Programming
experience is not required.  We need ideas of what works, what doesn't
work, and what would be good additions to our website to make it a
useful part of the Austin Linux Ecology.

3) We start the design on a new project, the rebirth of The Linux
Knowledge Network.  This, too, will need a steering group.  Unlike
before, the goal is not to publish books, but to provide a comprehensive
directory of knowledge of how to make Linux work for the user.  Examples
would be a hardware support database, video tutorials, and articles
which cover day-to-day use topics.  This will result in a new website,
on a new domain.

The goal of moving ALG to a more "virtual" group will mean allowing more
people to join.  I feel ALG should be limited to a more local geography,
while the Linux Knowledge Network (LKN) can use ALG as a seed and spread
as far and wide as possible.

The questions becomes, do you want to help?

This may be ALG's last chance to survive, but it cannot be done by the
five person Board of Directors.  It takes a community to make ALG go,
and it will take a community to make ALG thrive again.  I welcome
discussion on these proposals on the General Discussion List
<alg@...>.  If you are interested in joining one of the
steering groups, please send me a message directly. 

That said, time is not on our side. In the interest of trying to gage a
level of support I'm going to limit the steering group signups and new
proposals to no later than August 22nd, 2010.  If we do not have a
consensus or at least a good discussion going by then, I don't believe
there would be enough interest to continue this course of action.  Let
me be clear: I did not come to bury ALG, but I have no interest in
keeping it on life support indefinitely.

If any of you are members of other Austin area Linux support/help/user
groups, please spread the word.  Any and all are welcome to join the
discussion and (hopefully) offer a hand.  I would love nothing more than
all the area groups to work together towards bettering the Linux
community for everyone.

Thanks for your time reading this message, and I look forward to reading
your comments in the weeks to come.  If you have any questions, my INBOX
is always open.  Have a great day!

  -Carl Perry, President, Austin Linux Group

Robert Parkhurst | 27 Aug 17:27 2010
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Linux on the Desktop?

Hey everyone,

Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on the desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the plethora of name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I have coworkers that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the desktop is dead.

I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how others in the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT environments see it.



Robert

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Don Crowder | 27 Aug 17:42 2010
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Re: Linux on the Desktop?

Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on the 
> desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the plethora of 
> name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I have coworkers 
> that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the desktop is dead.
> 
> I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how others 
> in the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT 
> environments see it.

My wife and I have been full-time Linux users for 
several years now.  She uses PCLinuxOS and I use 
Debian Stable (currently Lenny but it was Sarge when 
I started using Linux).

We've also helped several moms and grandmas get 
started using their own Linux machines, with which 
they've been very happy.

I'm not going to give you a message to pass on to 
your coworkers.   Ignorance is, in the end, its own 
reward.  I will say that I'm really impressed with 
the number of folks who played with a Linux live CD 
for ten minutes three years ago and are now 
"authorities" on the subject.
Matt Lawrence | 27 Aug 17:44 2010

Re: Linux on the Desktop?

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Robert Parkhurst wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on the
> desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the plethora of
> name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I have coworkers
> that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the desktop is dead.
>
> I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how others in
> the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT environments see
> it.

I run CentOS 5 on my desktops, but it is getting to be a bit long in the 
tooth.  I stick with it because I tend to be a RHEL sysadmin.  These days 
I recommend Ubuntu for most desktop use.

-- Matt
It's not what I know that counts.
It's what I can remember in time to use.
Robert Parkhurst | 27 Aug 18:26 2010
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Re: [ALG-technical] Linux on the Desktop?

I agree..  I guess you don't see (or I don't) very much Linux in the news displayed prominently...It also doesn't help that I"m working in a very much "Windows" shop...We have Linux, but you can also tell pretty easily that Windows gets the center stage of everything.







On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Matt Lawrence <matt-CF4zE0UlzxDX60BBzNFzbQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Robert Parkhurst wrote:

Hey everyone,

Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on the
desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the plethora of
name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I have coworkers
that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the desktop is dead.

I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how others in
the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT environments see
it.

I run CentOS 5 on my desktops, but it is getting to be a bit long in the tooth.  I stick with it because I tend to be a RHEL sysadmin.  These days I recommend Ubuntu for most desktop use.

-- Matt
It's not what I know that counts.
It's what I can remember in time to use.
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David Claridge | 27 Aug 18:45 2010

Re: [alg] Linux on the Desktop?

I wrote a blog post on this topic a couple of months ago.. for my 2c
worth: http://blog.daave.com/2010/06/09/year-of-the-linux-desktop/

In sort, I think the work Canonical has done in the last few years has
taken the Linux desktop to the point that it's _easier_ than Windows
for grandam to use.

--
Dave

On 27 August 2010 11:26, Robert Parkhurst
<robert.parkhurst@...> wrote:
> I agree..  I guess you don't see (or I don't) very much Linux in the news
> displayed prominently...It also doesn't help that I"m working in a very much
> "Windows" shop...We have Linux, but you can also tell pretty easily that
> Windows gets the center stage of everything.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Matt Lawrence <matt@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on the
>>> desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the plethora of
>>> name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I have coworkers
>>> that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the desktop is dead.
>>>
>>> I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how others
>>> in
>>> the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT environments
>>> see
>>> it.
>>
>> I run CentOS 5 on my desktops, but it is getting to be a bit long in the
>> tooth.  I stick with it because I tend to be a RHEL sysadmin.  These days I
>> recommend Ubuntu for most desktop use.
>>
>> -- Matt
>> It's not what I know that counts.
>> It's what I can remember in time to use.
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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Eric Ellington | 27 Aug 20:27 2010
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Re: [alg] Linux on the Desktop?

I work in a windows shop too. That not stopped me for quite a while
now from running Linux on my work laptop and running our horrible
corporate OS in a virtual machine. I even was able to have IMAP enable
on our exchange server just for me. I get away from any authoritative
crack down because I never ask tech support for any help with my
machine. However, I can not say that this has made my life any easier,
but I would not have it any other way.

Eric

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Robert Parkhurst
<robert.parkhurst@...> wrote:
> I agree..  I guess you don't see (or I don't) very much Linux in the news
> displayed prominently...It also doesn't help that I"m working in a very much
> "Windows" shop...We have Linux, but you can also tell pretty easily that
> Windows gets the center stage of everything.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Matt Lawrence <matt@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on the
>>> desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the plethora of
>>> name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I have coworkers
>>> that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the desktop is dead.
>>>
>>> I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how others
>>> in
>>> the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT environments
>>> see
>>> it.
>>
>> I run CentOS 5 on my desktops, but it is getting to be a bit long in the
>> tooth.  I stick with it because I tend to be a RHEL sysadmin.  These days I
>> recommend Ubuntu for most desktop use.
>>
>> -- Matt
>> It's not what I know that counts.
>> It's what I can remember in time to use.
>> _______________________________________________
>> ALG Mailing List http://austinlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/alg
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>

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Robert Parkhurst | 28 Aug 20:41 2010
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ALG Presentation?

Hey everyone,

would the group be interested in a presentation on Linux as a distributed file server?  It was a project I had at a former company and thought I'd share what i learned as well as a bunch of "do nots". 

It would take me probably 2-3 weeks to get everything setup (virtual machines and presentation).

If you're interested, let me know when some free time slots are and I can figure out when would be best for me to give it!



Hope you're having a great weekend!



Robert

<div><p>Hey everyone,<br><br>would the group be interested in a presentation on Linux as a distributed file server?&nbsp; It was a project I had at a former company and thought I'd share what i learned as well as a bunch of "do nots".&nbsp; <br><br>It would take me probably 2-3 weeks to get everything setup (virtual machines and presentation).<br><br>If you're interested, let me know when some free time slots are and I can figure out when would be best for me to give it!<br><br><br><br>Hope you're having a great weekend!<br><br><br><br>Robert<br></p></div>
Paul Elliott | 28 Aug 23:22 2010

Re: ALG Presentation?


Yes when you are ready to suggest a date, tell me and I will schedule it.

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 01:41:47PM -0500, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> would the group be interested in a presentation on Linux as a distributed
> file server?  It was a project I had at a former company and thought I'd
> share what i learned as well as a bunch of "do nots".
> 
> It would take me probably 2-3 weeks to get everything setup (virtual
> machines and presentation).
> 
> If you're interested, let me know when some free time slots are and I can
> figure out when would be best for me to give it!
> 
> 
> 
> Hope you're having a great weekend!
> 
> 
> 
> Robert

> _______________________________________________
> ALG-technical mailing list http://austinlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/alg-technical

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Yes when you are ready to suggest a date, tell me and I will schedule it.

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 01:41:47PM -0500, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> would the group be interested in a presentation on Linux as a distributed
> file server?  It was a project I had at a former company and thought I'd
> share what i learned as well as a bunch of "do nots".
> 
> It would take me probably 2-3 weeks to get everything setup (virtual
> machines and presentation).
> 
> If you're interested, let me know when some free time slots are and I can
> figure out when would be best for me to give it!
> 
> 
> 
> Hope you're having a great weekend!
> 
> 
> 
> Robert

> _______________________________________________
> ALG-technical mailing list http://austinlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/alg-technical

--

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pelliott@...               PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J
http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/   Austin TX 78758-3117

Gmane