Carl Perry | 4 Aug 2010 00:56
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The Undiscovered Country: The Future of ALG

(This is a copy of the message sent to the General Discussion List.  If
you read it there, you can ignore this)

Greetings Austin Linux Group -

Since being elected President of our group several weeks back, I've been
doing a lot of research and talking to a lot of other LUGs to see what
we can do to keep ALG alive.  I'm not going to lie to you: I say "keep
ALG alive" because the group is dying.  However, this is not a problem
that is specific to our group.  LUGs all across the country, and the
globe, are suffering the same problem.  The questions is what can be
done about it?

I ran for President of this group because I feel that there is a chance
we can transform ALG into something better.  It's a slim chance, and I
cannot guarantee success, but it's a chance.  I didn't run for this
office to bury ALG unless, by action or inaction, that is what the group
wants.

The power of ALG has always been it's collective knowledge base.  A lot
of that knowledge has been centered around a few key people, and not all
of them have been able to attend meeting recently.  That has really hurt
the quality and the content of meetings.  Because of that, meeting
attendance has dropped off which has caused a spiral effect where we
cannot get people to attend or present because attendance has been so
low.  To me, the outcome seems obvious: the meetings can no longer be
the central point of ALG.

If the meetings are no longer the central gathering place of the group,
that leaves only the mailing lists and the website as possible
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Don Crowder | 27 Aug 2010 17:42
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Re: Linux on the Desktop?

Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on the 
> desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the plethora of 
> name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I have coworkers 
> that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the desktop is dead.
> 
> I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how others 
> in the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT 
> environments see it.

My wife and I have been full-time Linux users for 
several years now.  She uses PCLinuxOS and I use 
Debian Stable (currently Lenny but it was Sarge when 
I started using Linux).

We've also helped several moms and grandmas get 
started using their own Linux machines, with which 
they've been very happy.

I'm not going to give you a message to pass on to 
your coworkers.   Ignorance is, in the end, its own 
reward.  I will say that I'm really impressed with 
the number of folks who played with a Linux live CD 
for ten minutes three years ago and are now 
"authorities" on the subject.
Matt Lawrence | 27 Aug 2010 17:44

Re: Linux on the Desktop?

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Robert Parkhurst wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on the
> desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the plethora of
> name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I have coworkers
> that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the desktop is dead.
>
> I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how others in
> the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT environments see
> it.

I run CentOS 5 on my desktops, but it is getting to be a bit long in the 
tooth.  I stick with it because I tend to be a RHEL sysadmin.  These days 
I recommend Ubuntu for most desktop use.

-- Matt
It's not what I know that counts.
It's what I can remember in time to use.
David Claridge | 27 Aug 2010 18:45

Re: [alg] Linux on the Desktop?

I wrote a blog post on this topic a couple of months ago.. for my 2c
worth: http://blog.daave.com/2010/06/09/year-of-the-linux-desktop/

In sort, I think the work Canonical has done in the last few years has
taken the Linux desktop to the point that it's _easier_ than Windows
for grandam to use.

--
Dave

On 27 August 2010 11:26, Robert Parkhurst
<robert.parkhurst@...> wrote:
> I agree..  I guess you don't see (or I don't) very much Linux in the news
> displayed prominently...It also doesn't help that I"m working in a very much
> "Windows" shop...We have Linux, but you can also tell pretty easily that
> Windows gets the center stage of everything.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Matt Lawrence <matt@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
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Eric Ellington | 27 Aug 2010 20:27
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Re: [alg] Linux on the Desktop?

I work in a windows shop too. That not stopped me for quite a while
now from running Linux on my work laptop and running our horrible
corporate OS in a virtual machine. I even was able to have IMAP enable
on our exchange server just for me. I get away from any authoritative
crack down because I never ask tech support for any help with my
machine. However, I can not say that this has made my life any easier,
but I would not have it any other way.

Eric

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Robert Parkhurst
<robert.parkhurst@...> wrote:
> I agree..  I guess you don't see (or I don't) very much Linux in the news
> displayed prominently...It also doesn't help that I"m working in a very much
> "Windows" shop...We have Linux, but you can also tell pretty easily that
> Windows gets the center stage of everything.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Matt Lawrence <matt@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
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Robert Parkhurst | 28 Aug 2010 20:41
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ALG Presentation?

Hey everyone,

would the group be interested in a presentation on Linux as a distributed file server?  It was a project I had at a former company and thought I'd share what i learned as well as a bunch of "do nots". 

It would take me probably 2-3 weeks to get everything setup (virtual machines and presentation).

If you're interested, let me know when some free time slots are and I can figure out when would be best for me to give it!



Hope you're having a great weekend!



Robert

<div><p>Hey everyone,<br><br>would the group be interested in a presentation on Linux as a distributed file server?&nbsp; It was a project I had at a former company and thought I'd share what i learned as well as a bunch of "do nots".&nbsp; <br><br>It would take me probably 2-3 weeks to get everything setup (virtual machines and presentation).<br><br>If you're interested, let me know when some free time slots are and I can figure out when would be best for me to give it!<br><br><br><br>Hope you're having a great weekend!<br><br><br><br>Robert<br></p></div>
Paul Elliott | 28 Aug 2010 23:22

Re: ALG Presentation?


Yes when you are ready to suggest a date, tell me and I will schedule it.

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 01:41:47PM -0500, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> would the group be interested in a presentation on Linux as a distributed
> file server?  It was a project I had at a former company and thought I'd
> share what i learned as well as a bunch of "do nots".
> 
> It would take me probably 2-3 weeks to get everything setup (virtual
> machines and presentation).
> 
> If you're interested, let me know when some free time slots are and I can
> figure out when would be best for me to give it!
> 
> 
> 
> Hope you're having a great weekend!
> 
> 
> 
> Robert

> _______________________________________________
> ALG-technical mailing list http://austinlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/alg-technical

-- 
Paul Elliott                               1(512)837-1096
pelliott@...               PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J
http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/   Austin TX 78758-3117

Yes when you are ready to suggest a date, tell me and I will schedule it.

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 01:41:47PM -0500, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> would the group be interested in a presentation on Linux as a distributed
> file server?  It was a project I had at a former company and thought I'd
> share what i learned as well as a bunch of "do nots".
> 
> It would take me probably 2-3 weeks to get everything setup (virtual
> machines and presentation).
> 
> If you're interested, let me know when some free time slots are and I can
> figure out when would be best for me to give it!
> 
> 
> 
> Hope you're having a great weekend!
> 
> 
> 
> Robert

> _______________________________________________
> ALG-technical mailing list http://austinlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/alg-technical

--

-- 
Paul Elliott                               1(512)837-1096
pelliott@...               PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J
http://www.free.blackpatchpanel.com/pme/   Austin TX 78758-3117
Tom Schenk | 29 Aug 2010 16:13
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Re: Linux on the Desktop?

I don't know why everyone want to say that Linux isn't there for
grandma's and moms.  My wife uses Linux daily and she is as
non-technical as they come.  To her the computer is just a tool for
using the web, watching videos, e-mail and the occassional document.
She has no trouble doing any of these on the Linux machine connected to
our big screen TV and once she learns a task, for example, how to backup
her videos to DVD or how to use Vuze to download torrents, then I don't
have to hold her hand to do them.

As for me, I've been using Linux on the desktop for over ten years
(since around 1996).  The obstacles I faced in the early years, such as
the inability to talk to Exchange servers, were overcome with the
introduction of Evolution's Exchange plugin or by asking the Exchange
admins to enable IMAP.  Now I work for a company that not only allows
Linux on the desktop, but provides an official company install image for
it.  There are occasional issues with some Windows only application
(such as the web conferencing solution we use at work), but that is what
Virtualbox is for.

Tom S.

On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 10:27 -0500, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on
> the desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the
> plethora of name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I
> have coworkers that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the
> desktop is dead.
> 
> I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how
> others in the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT
> environments see it.
> 
> 
> 
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> ALG-technical mailing list http://austinlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/alg-technical

George Goodyear | 29 Aug 2010 20:18
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Re: Linux on the Desktop?

Hmmm, or you can do what my friend did. He didn't let wife use windoze.
She wanted a computer and he built her one. So she never learned how.
Now she doesn't even want to use one. She tried once and thought it was
a total waste of a computer.

Carlos

On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 10:27 -0500, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on
> the desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the
> plethora of name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I
> have coworkers that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the
> desktop is dead.
> 
> I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how
> others in the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT
> environments see it.
> 
> 
> 
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> ALG-technical mailing list http://austinlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/alg-technical

Robert Parkhurst | 29 Aug 2010 20:29
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Re: Linux on the Desktop?

heh, nice!

I think Linux has some hurdles to overcome in the perception of "it's not ready for grandma/mom".  Linux operates differently from Windows & mac in that a lot of the software you get, you get it from your distributions "channels" (i.e. apt-get, yum).

In a lot of ways, Linux is extremely convenient because you don't have to go find the software or whatever, you just open your application manager and search for it and install it from there.

Linux gets pegged for how it was years ago a lot too..  For example (to use my coworker) she's been working with Linux in a lot of different ways for years, but has always hit "odd" issues (which I agree with) in running Linux in the past..  Things like hibernation wouldn't consistently work, sleep wouldn't consistently work, etc..  Things that made (for her) running Linux very troublesome.

I understand and honestly in the past Linux had a lot of interesting behavior on the more "interesting" hardware.  However, in the last ...2 years? of Ubuntu, it's gotten REALLY good..  Like I almost don't have to go to the command line for most day-to-day things.  It's at the point too that I can show her a laptop running Linux and go "look, it does everything" and she's impressed.


I guess my initial reason for asking the question too was to see how/where people are using Linux..  I'm in a very much windows shop so it's not like I get to talk about the coolest things Linux is doing these days without people's eyes glazing over and them talking about how they have a meeting they desperately need to get to in 5 minutes.



Robert





On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:18 PM, George Goodyear <enawn-fOdFMYwuEsI@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hmmm, or you can do what my friend did. He didn't let wife use windoze.
She wanted a computer and he built her one. So she never learned how.
Now she doesn't even want to use one. She tried once and thought it was
a total waste of a computer.

Carlos


On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 10:27 -0500, Robert Parkhurst wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on
> the desktop?  I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the
> plethora of name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac.  But I
> have coworkers that say otherwise.  Basically that Linux on the
> desktop is dead.
>
> I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but  I'm curious how
> others in the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT
> environments see it.
>
>
>
> Robert
> _______________________________________________
> ALG-technical mailing list http://austinlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/alg-technical

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<div>
<p>heh, nice!<br><br>I think Linux has some hurdles to overcome in the perception of "it's not ready for grandma/mom".&nbsp; Linux operates differently from Windows &amp; mac in that a lot of the software you get, you get it from your distributions "channels" (i.e. apt-get, yum).<br><br>In a lot of ways, Linux is extremely convenient because you don't have to go find the software or whatever, you just open your application manager and search for it and install it from there.<br><br>Linux gets pegged for how it was years ago a lot too..&nbsp; For example (to use my coworker) she's been working with Linux in a lot of different ways for years, but has always hit "odd" issues (which I agree with) in running Linux in the past..&nbsp; Things like hibernation wouldn't consistently work, sleep wouldn't consistently work, etc..&nbsp; Things that made (for her) running Linux very troublesome.<br><br>I understand and honestly in the past Linux had a lot of interesting behavior on the more "interesting" hardware.&nbsp; However, in the last ...2 years? of Ubuntu, it's gotten REALLY good..&nbsp; Like I almost don't have to go to the command line for most day-to-day things.&nbsp; It's at the point too that I can show her a laptop running Linux and go "look, it does everything" and she's impressed.<br><br><br>I guess my initial reason for asking the question too was to see how/where people are using Linux..&nbsp; I'm in a very much windows shop so it's not like I get to talk about the coolest things Linux is doing these days without people's eyes glazing over and them talking about how they have a meeting they desperately need to get to in 5 minutes.<br><br><br><br>Robert<br><br><br><br><br><br></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:18 PM, George Goodyear <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:enawn@...">enawn@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
Hmmm, or you can do what my friend did. He didn't let wife use windoze.<br>
She wanted a computer and he built her one. So she never learned how.<br>
Now she doesn't even want to use one. She tried once and thought it was<br>
a total waste of a computer.<br><br>
Carlos<br><div class="im">
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On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 10:27 -0500, Robert Parkhurst wrote:<br>
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<div class="h5">&gt; Hey everyone,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Got what may be a silly question, but what is the state of Linux on<br>
&gt; the desktop? &nbsp;I think it's fairly good--albeit you can't get the<br>
&gt; plethora of name brand games like you can for Windows and Mac. &nbsp;But I<br>
&gt; have coworkers that say otherwise. &nbsp;Basically that Linux on the<br>
&gt; desktop is dead.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I know Linux isn't there for grandmas/moms, but &nbsp;I'm curious how<br>
&gt; others in the group perceive Linux on the desktop and/or how their IT<br>
&gt; environments see it.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Robert<br>
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