Robert Parkhurst | 2 Apr 16:17 2009
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Re: [ALG-technical] curious issue with Linux / WIndowsXP

First, thanks for the input!

The disc was burned on a Windows 2008 (used as a workstation) with PowerISO.

I'd go with likely hardware issue too...It's an aging system and as much as I'd like to say "this is all windows' fault", it is pretty unexpected for windows to do this on reading discs.

As far as age-specific details...I'm not sure, but I know the drives are at least 2-3 years old..The older of the two I think is more like 4-5 years old..  I haven't tried cleaning them yet though, but it was a recommendation so I think I'll look at grabbing a cleaning disc and see how that works.




On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Michael Burek <mike-R8qcChQB3i5iLUuM0BA3LQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
I'd go with a possible hardware problem.  Can you attach that external
USB DVD drive to the windows machine to just make sure it's not a
software problem?

My dad tried using one of those lens cleaning disks (for the CD
drives).  I don't think he's had a chance to test it out yet.

In my experience, usually the burner part of a drive will last about 2
years before becoming somewhat flaky.  And then some reader drives
either last about 3 years, or almost last forever.

Unfortunately, you really can't open the drive and find a piece of
dust casing a problem, or adjust some screw or replace a belt, like a
turn table.  I just have to buy a new drive every few years.  I
rationalize it that if I can find a drive around $30-$40, it will save
me hours and hours of frustration.

Good luck,
Mike B

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Robert Parkhurst
> I've got a curious situation on an old system of mine at home involving
> WindowsXP and Linux.  The box has had Windows and Linux installed in its
> time--currently it's a WindowsXP box (I've got the better box setup as my
> Linux box).  The system itself is an AthlonXP 2500+ (32-bit, single core
> CPU).  It has two IDE DVD drives (one -ROM and one -RW) both are on the same
> IDE chain.  I've also got an IDE hard drive on the other chain that is my
> boot drive.
>
> The issue is that I've been trying to copy over files from burned discs (-R
> DVD media mostly).  I know that DVD-R media doesn't protect the data as well
> which is what I thought was the initial problem.  The problem is that I get
> CRC failures on data on the discs so the data can't be copied over to my
> system (i.e. to "My Documents" or whatever).
>
> Installing software from discs though doesn't seem to be an issue (i.e. I
> can install Sim City 3000, Warcraft III, etc.)...So maybe this is something
> specific to burned media only?
>
> I know the media is good because if I throw the disc into my external USB
> DVD-RW drive (attached to my Linux box) I can copy the data files over
> without a problem.
>
> But I'm also hesitant to say it's a hardware issue with my DVD drives
> because while I don't have Linux on my system now it's been on there pretty
> recently (I had OpenSuSE 10.3 on it not more than 6 months ago) and I don't
> ever recall having an issue with either DVD drive in that system...
>
>
> Does anyone know why windows would possibly act like this (other than it's
> windows ;-)?
>
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Jim Parkhurst | 2 Apr 16:25 2009
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No April Foolin, Time Warner Cable to meter Internet, charge per GB

So ... now that this has made national news but more importantly /. ... anybody know of a router that a user can
use to track their data transfer counts? SMTP capable? Other?

Carl Perry | 2 Apr 17:53 2009
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Re: No April Foolin, Time Warner Cable to meter Internet, charge per GB

Jim Parkhurst wrote:
> So ... now that this has made national news but more importantly /. ... anybody know of a router that a user
can use to track their data transfer counts? SMTP capable? Other?

I use a small Soekris board w/ pfSense installed as my router.  You can
also use an inexpensive PC to do the same thing (one of the $50 deals at
Discount Eletronics works fine - my soekris is essentially a 233MHz 486
CPU with three awful NICs and it handles my 6Mb DSL connection fine).
pfSense has a nice real-time bandwidth monitor, and CACTI charts for
bandwidth consumption over time.

I highly recommend pfSense - it does everything a "commercial" router
does, supports UPNP NAT Traversal (critical for PS3/XBox360 gaming, and
makes BitTorrent usage much easier), and does all sorts of useful stuff
like Dynamic DNS, OpenVPN, PPTP VPN, etc.  http://pfsense.com/

I'm way outside the 40GB/mo that TWC is going to impose.  I'm also
approaching the 150GB/mo that AT&T is going to impose.  I switched to
Speakeasy DSL yesterday, and it should be on-line next week :)  It's not
cheap (about $100/mo), but that's what TWC's larger tier plan is
expected to cost.

  -Carl

Jim Parkhurst wrote:
> So ... now that this has made national news but more importantly /. ... anybody know of a router that a user
can use to track their data transfer counts? SMTP capable? Other?

I use a small Soekris board w/ pfSense installed as my router.  You can
also use an inexpensive PC to do the same thing (one of the $50 deals at
Discount Eletronics works fine - my soekris is essentially a 233MHz 486
CPU with three awful NICs and it handles my 6Mb DSL connection fine).
pfSense has a nice real-time bandwidth monitor, and CACTI charts for
bandwidth consumption over time.

I highly recommend pfSense - it does everything a "commercial" router
does, supports UPNP NAT Traversal (critical for PS3/XBox360 gaming, and
makes BitTorrent usage much easier), and does all sorts of useful stuff
like Dynamic DNS, OpenVPN, PPTP VPN, etc.  http://pfsense.com/

I'm way outside the 40GB/mo that TWC is going to impose.  I'm also
approaching the 150GB/mo that AT&T is going to impose.  I switched to
Speakeasy DSL yesterday, and it should be on-line next week :)  It's not
cheap (about $100/mo), but that's what TWC's larger tier plan is
expected to cost.

  -Carl

Paul Elliott | 3 Apr 23:54 2009

Election, nominate someone.


The ALG election is coming up. Overdue actually. Anyone who pays their dues
can nominate someone and vote in the election.
Carl has paid his dues in the form of domain registration
payment.

The following nominations were informally made last night:

President Paul Elliott 
Secretary Denis Oxford.
Treasurer Clio Dunn.
System Administrator Carl Perry
Mailing List Carl Perry
Web Administrator Paul Elliott

Please pay dues, if you haven't already, and make additional
nominations. You can pay dues by getting $10 to Clio Dunn.

We will probably wait a while and have the election.

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The ALG election is coming up. Overdue actually. Anyone who pays their dues
can nominate someone and vote in the election.
Carl has paid his dues in the form of domain registration
payment.

The following nominations were informally made last night:

President Paul Elliott 
Secretary Denis Oxford.
Treasurer Clio Dunn.
System Administrator Carl Perry
Mailing List Carl Perry
Web Administrator Paul Elliott

Please pay dues, if you haven't already, and make additional
nominations. You can pay dues by getting $10 to Clio Dunn.

We will probably wait a while and have the election.

--

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Jim Parkhurst | 4 Apr 02:48 2009
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[Fwd: Re: [cable] Re: Tiered pricing is coming]

FYI from the cable group...

###

Lee Leffingwell weighs in: http://is.gd/qA26 <http://is.gd/qA26>

##

For those interested in following along at home, here's a good starting 
place and summary of the state of play so far: http://is.gd/sgI 
<http://is.gd/sgI> <http://is.gd/sgI>
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Newton Hammet | 6 Apr 05:16 2009
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AMD Phenom II and M3N-HT Asus / ubuntu 8.10 goes on


Hello Folks,

Thinking about getting motherboard (with its on-board Nvidia video)
replaced. the only distro I could install successfully on this puppy was
ubuntu 8.10.

And that was only a lucky break.

the ubuntu boot-install media would hang on boot up.  Fedora 10.0 would
install, (it would conveniently notify me that it had a failure to start X
so would start an ncurses text install. and that would all be fine.

After going into bios and enabling plug-n-play, then I was able to
occassionally boot into the ubuntu install disk.

Eventually got Ubuntu installed but only by booting into the desktop and
clicking on the install icon.

Install was successful but occassionally would hang on boot after that.

I went into grub and disabled the boot splash and now I boot up regularly
without fail or hang into the desktop.

Something says maybe I should replace the MO if for no other reason than
to rule out hardware failure.

I have been doing some googling on this board and found out that earlier
distros of Suse, Ubuntu, etc. could not even see the HDs, so I guess I
consider myself lucky.

This is all pointing to a new version of mkbkup.pl (it will be version
4.0) since I am now forced to making this tool play nice with Ubuntu.

My best way to use the new mkbkup.pl however is to boot ubuntu in recovery
mode and then run the mkbkup.pl script from the root shell I get.

When I do that it really screams.  Creates a bootable backup in about half
the time it took my old box backing up the same amount of data on IDE
drives.

-Newton

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Carl Perry | 6 Apr 06:14 2009
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Re: AMD Phenom II and M3N-HT Asus / ubuntu 8.10 goes on

I just looked up the specs on that board.  It has a lot of very new
hardware on it, specifically the SATA Controllers, Ethernet Controllers,
and the core chipset are all less than 6mo old.  That's not a lot of
time for the kernel guys to get support in, and it's been a while since
distros have updated their kernel anyway.

This is also a VERY beefy board.  Is there a reason you got such a high
end board, or were you just looking for something with integrated video?
 Replacing the board may be your best bet, and I'd be happy to give you
some suggestions on components that I know are compatible if you let me
know what your desired usage of the system is.

  -Carl

Newton Hammet wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> 
> Thinking about getting motherboard (with its on-board Nvidia video)
> replaced. the only distro I could install successfully on this puppy was
> ubuntu 8.10.
> 
> And that was only a lucky break.
> 
> the ubuntu boot-install media would hang on boot up.  Fedora 10.0 would
> install, (it would conveniently notify me that it had a failure to start X
> so would start an ncurses text install. and that would all be fine.
> 
> After going into bios and enabling plug-n-play, then I was able to
> occassionally boot into the ubuntu install disk.
> 
> Eventually got Ubuntu installed but only by booting into the desktop and
> clicking on the install icon.
> 
> Install was successful but occassionally would hang on boot after that.
> 
> I went into grub and disabled the boot splash and now I boot up regularly
> without fail or hang into the desktop.
> 
> Something says maybe I should replace the MO if for no other reason than
> to rule out hardware failure.
> 
> I have been doing some googling on this board and found out that earlier
> distros of Suse, Ubuntu, etc. could not even see the HDs, so I guess I
> consider myself lucky.
> 
> This is all pointing to a new version of mkbkup.pl (it will be version
> 4.0) since I am now forced to making this tool play nice with Ubuntu.
> 
> My best way to use the new mkbkup.pl however is to boot ubuntu in recovery
> mode and then run the mkbkup.pl script from the root shell I get.
> 
> When I do that it really screams.  Creates a bootable backup in about half
> the time it took my old box backing up the same amount of data on IDE
> drives.
> 
> -Newton
> 
> 

I just looked up the specs on that board.  It has a lot of very new
hardware on it, specifically the SATA Controllers, Ethernet Controllers,
and the core chipset are all less than 6mo old.  That's not a lot of
time for the kernel guys to get support in, and it's been a while since
distros have updated their kernel anyway.

This is also a VERY beefy board.  Is there a reason you got such a high
end board, or were you just looking for something with integrated video?
 Replacing the board may be your best bet, and I'd be happy to give you
some suggestions on components that I know are compatible if you let me
know what your desired usage of the system is.

  -Carl

Newton Hammet wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> 
> Thinking about getting motherboard (with its on-board Nvidia video)
> replaced. the only distro I could install successfully on this puppy was
> ubuntu 8.10.
> 
> And that was only a lucky break.
> 
> the ubuntu boot-install media would hang on boot up.  Fedora 10.0 would
> install, (it would conveniently notify me that it had a failure to start X
> so would start an ncurses text install. and that would all be fine.
> 
> After going into bios and enabling plug-n-play, then I was able to
> occassionally boot into the ubuntu install disk.
> 
> Eventually got Ubuntu installed but only by booting into the desktop and
> clicking on the install icon.
> 
> Install was successful but occassionally would hang on boot after that.
> 
> I went into grub and disabled the boot splash and now I boot up regularly
> without fail or hang into the desktop.
> 
> Something says maybe I should replace the MO if for no other reason than
> to rule out hardware failure.
> 
> I have been doing some googling on this board and found out that earlier
> distros of Suse, Ubuntu, etc. could not even see the HDs, so I guess I
> consider myself lucky.
> 
> This is all pointing to a new version of mkbkup.pl (it will be version
> 4.0) since I am now forced to making this tool play nice with Ubuntu.
> 
> My best way to use the new mkbkup.pl however is to boot ubuntu in recovery
> mode and then run the mkbkup.pl script from the root shell I get.
> 
> When I do that it really screams.  Creates a bootable backup in about half
> the time it took my old box backing up the same amount of data on IDE
> drives.
> 
> -Newton
> 
> 

Newton Hammet | 6 Apr 06:31 2009
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Re: AMD Phenom II and M3N-HT Asus / ubuntu 8.10 goes on


Hi Carl,

Thanks for your timely (and very informative) reply.

My main purpose of the new system is to have something that is as beefy as
possible within reason.

I want to be able to do software development in Java 1.6... possibly web
page development, etc.

I am not a gamer by habit (except for  playing lots of on-line bridge).

I just wanted to have something with as much power as I might need now or
in near future for any projects I might want to work on.

If I were to replace this board I would want something that at least
supports what I have so far (2 terabyte SATAs in kingston docking bays,
the AMD quadcore phenom processor that I have, 8 GB of ram.)

So I guess the short answer is most of the time I may not need all of this
but it is there for anything I might want to do, either personal software
projects or working from home, with enough power to get things done.

I hope my comments give you enough details about what I think I need.

BTW, I chose ASUS because of long successful history with these folks and
home boxes on ASUS MO's going back about 10 or more years.

Regards,
Newton

> I just looked up the specs on that board.  It has a lot of very new
> hardware on it, specifically the SATA Controllers, Ethernet Controllers,
> and the core chipset are all less than 6mo old.  That's not a lot of
> time for the kernel guys to get support in, and it's been a while since
> distros have updated their kernel anyway.
>
> This is also a VERY beefy board.  Is there a reason you got such a high
> end board, or were you just looking for something with integrated video?
>  Replacing the board may be your best bet, and I'd be happy to give you
> some suggestions on components that I know are compatible if you let me
> know what your desired usage of the system is.
>
>   -Carl
>
> Newton Hammet wrote:
>> Hello Folks,
>>
>> Thinking about getting motherboard (with its on-board Nvidia video)
>> replaced. the only distro I could install successfully on this puppy was
>> ubuntu 8.10.
>>
>> And that was only a lucky break.
>>
>> the ubuntu boot-install media would hang on boot up.  Fedora 10.0 would
>> install, (it would conveniently notify me that it had a failure to start
>> X
>> so would start an ncurses text install. and that would all be fine.
>>
>> After going into bios and enabling plug-n-play, then I was able to
>> occassionally boot into the ubuntu install disk.
>>
>> Eventually got Ubuntu installed but only by booting into the desktop and
>> clicking on the install icon.
>>
>> Install was successful but occassionally would hang on boot after that.
>>
>> I went into grub and disabled the boot splash and now I boot up
>> regularly
>> without fail or hang into the desktop.
>>
>> Something says maybe I should replace the MO if for no other reason than
>> to rule out hardware failure.
>>
>> I have been doing some googling on this board and found out that earlier
>> distros of Suse, Ubuntu, etc. could not even see the HDs, so I guess I
>> consider myself lucky.
>>
>> This is all pointing to a new version of mkbkup.pl (it will be version
>> 4.0) since I am now forced to making this tool play nice with Ubuntu.
>>
>> My best way to use the new mkbkup.pl however is to boot ubuntu in
>> recovery
>> mode and then run the mkbkup.pl script from the root shell I get.
>>
>> When I do that it really screams.  Creates a bootable backup in about
>> half
>> the time it took my old box backing up the same amount of data on IDE
>> drives.
>>
>> -Newton
>>
>>
>
>
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Carl Perry | 6 Apr 06:47 2009
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Re: AMD Phenom II and M3N-HT Asus / ubuntu 8.10 goes on

Newton Hammet wrote:
> 
> Hi Carl,
> 
> Thanks for your timely (and very informative) reply.
> 
> My main purpose of the new system is to have something that is as beefy as
> possible within reason.
> 
> I want to be able to do software development in Java 1.6... possibly web
> page development, etc.
> 
> I am not a gamer by habit (except for  playing lots of on-line bridge).
> 
> I just wanted to have something with as much power as I might need now or
> in near future for any projects I might want to work on.
> 
> If I were to replace this board I would want something that at least
> supports what I have so far (2 terabyte SATAs in kingston docking bays,
> the AMD quadcore phenom processor that I have, 8 GB of ram.)
> 
> So I guess the short answer is most of the time I may not need all of this
> but it is there for anything I might want to do, either personal software
> projects or working from home, with enough power to get things done.
> 
> I hope my comments give you enough details about what I think I need.
> 
> BTW, I chose ASUS because of long successful history with these folks and
> home boxes on ASUS MO's going back about 10 or more years.
> 

Understood.  I'm assuming your storage needs 4 or less SATA ports, if
you need more there are expansion cards that are easily available.  The
rest of your components (RAM, CPU, etc) will easily move over to a
different board without issue.  Below are two boards I use and recommend.

I'm using Gigabyte GA-MA770-S3 on my current home system, and I'm not
having a bit of trouble from it.  I also use the GA-MA770-S3 on my home
gaming system, and have not had any problems there either.  The exact
model is not longer available, but it's latest revision (GA-MA770-UD3)
is only $75: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128376

I also recently built a server using an ASUS M2N-LR motherboard and it's
a fantastic choice as well.  The M2N-LR is a server/workstation board -
supports a lot of memory and has a lot of SATA ports.  It also has built
in video which can be bypassed by using a standard PCI-e video card for
better performance.  Unlike the geForce 8100 in your mobo now, the video
card on the M2N-LR has dedicated RAM.  It sells for about $200:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131134

You may be able to find better prices elsewhere, and something from that
line of Gigabyte boards may be available at Fry's.  I would also run a
long session with MemTest 86+ to ensure you do not have bad RAM, and be
sure you have at least a 600W PSU on this system.  Either of those may
be causing your instability problems as well.

Let me know if that helps.
  -Carl

Newton Hammet wrote:
> 
> Hi Carl,
> 
> Thanks for your timely (and very informative) reply.
> 
> My main purpose of the new system is to have something that is as beefy as
> possible within reason.
> 
> I want to be able to do software development in Java 1.6... possibly web
> page development, etc.
> 
> I am not a gamer by habit (except for  playing lots of on-line bridge).
> 
> I just wanted to have something with as much power as I might need now or
> in near future for any projects I might want to work on.
> 
> If I were to replace this board I would want something that at least
> supports what I have so far (2 terabyte SATAs in kingston docking bays,
> the AMD quadcore phenom processor that I have, 8 GB of ram.)
> 
> So I guess the short answer is most of the time I may not need all of this
> but it is there for anything I might want to do, either personal software
> projects or working from home, with enough power to get things done.
> 
> I hope my comments give you enough details about what I think I need.
> 
> BTW, I chose ASUS because of long successful history with these folks and
> home boxes on ASUS MO's going back about 10 or more years.
> 

Understood.  I'm assuming your storage needs 4 or less SATA ports, if
you need more there are expansion cards that are easily available.  The
rest of your components (RAM, CPU, etc) will easily move over to a
different board without issue.  Below are two boards I use and recommend.

I'm using Gigabyte GA-MA770-S3 on my current home system, and I'm not
having a bit of trouble from it.  I also use the GA-MA770-S3 on my home
gaming system, and have not had any problems there either.  The exact
model is not longer available, but it's latest revision (GA-MA770-UD3)
is only $75: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128376

I also recently built a server using an ASUS M2N-LR motherboard and it's
a fantastic choice as well.  The M2N-LR is a server/workstation board -
supports a lot of memory and has a lot of SATA ports.  It also has built
in video which can be bypassed by using a standard PCI-e video card for
better performance.  Unlike the geForce 8100 in your mobo now, the video
card on the M2N-LR has dedicated RAM.  It sells for about $200:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131134

You may be able to find better prices elsewhere, and something from that
line of Gigabyte boards may be available at Fry's.  I would also run a
long session with MemTest 86+ to ensure you do not have bad RAM, and be
sure you have at least a 600W PSU on this system.  Either of those may
be causing your instability problems as well.

Let me know if that helps.
  -Carl

Paul Elliott | 7 Apr 03:40 2009

nominations


I nominate Jason for Web administrator.

If he accepts, I withdraw from running for web administrator.

I noninate Cleo Dunn for Program Coordinator.

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pelliott@...       PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J
http://www.io.com/~pelliott/pme/   Austin TX 78758-3117

I nominate Jason for Web administrator.

If he accepts, I withdraw from running for web administrator.

I noninate Cleo Dunn for Program Coordinator.

--

-- 
Paul Elliott                       1(512)837-1096
pelliott@...       PMB 181, 11900 Metric Blvd Suite J
http://www.io.com/~pelliott/pme/   Austin TX 78758-3117

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