New Distro

So,

I've been out of the GNU/Linux loop for a couple of years due to the
software development projects I was on at the time and, due to the
shenanigans of MS on OOXML standardization and that being the last straw on
rather forgiving camel's back, I'm looking to move back to GNU/Linux for the
next couple of projects. I am obviously a developer and have a couple of
projects lined up where I think I will experiment with Python, Ruby and/or
Erlang.

So, I am setting my self up with a home workstation and server. Ok, I should
know better since this usually is two of the major "religious" GNU/Linux
wars, but which distro and what of KDE/GNOME? I'm leaning towards Fedora or
Ubuntu with KDE, but is there any reason to want to do differently?

Thanks.

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Metacode Studios, Inc.

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Re: New Distro

On Sat, 2007-09-01 at 22:59 -0400, Paul Tiseo wrote:
> So,
> 
>  
> 
> I am obviously a developer and have a couple of
> projects lined up where I think I will experiment with Python, Ruby and/or
> Erlang.
> 
>  
> 
> So, I am setting my self up with a home workstation and server. Ok, I should
> know better since this usually is two of the major "religious" GNU/Linux
> wars, but which distro and what of KDE/GNOME? I'm leaning towards Fedora or
> Ubuntu with KDE, but is there any reason to want to do differently?

Paul,

Since you mentioned Ruby, I'll add my two cents worth here.

Ruby requires many parts which have been chunked up, for whatever
reason, in sometimes odd and baffling ways by package maintainers for
various distros. Debian and Ubuntu have a reputation of being especially
difficult for a Ruby noob to get everything they need: Ruby1.8.5,
Rubygems, ri, rdoc, irb, zlib, etc. It is even more complicated if you
plan on using Rails for Web development.

This is _not_ to say that Rails is broken on Ubuntu, mind you. It can be
done. It just takes a bit of research and planning. The Ruby ML may be
your best friend if you go this route:

Re: New Distro

On Saturday 01 September 2007 22:59, Paul Tiseo wrote:
> So,
>
>
>
> I've been out of the GNU/Linux loop for a couple of years due to the
> software development projects I was on at the time and, due to the
> shenanigans of MS on OOXML standardization and that being the last straw on
> rather forgiving camel's back, I'm looking to move back to GNU/Linux for
> the next couple of projects. I am obviously a developer and have a couple
> of projects lined up where I think I will experiment with Python, Ruby
> and/or Erlang.
>
>
>
> So, I am setting my self up with a home workstation and server. Ok, I
> should know better since this usually is two of the major "religious"
> GNU/Linux wars, but which distro and what of KDE/GNOME? I'm leaning towards
> Fedora or Ubuntu with KDE, but is there any reason to want to do
> differently?

Yes. IceWM is IMHO easier to use, cleaner, and much less resource intensive 
than KD crash and burn E or GNO supremely inconvenient ME. IceWM is very 
keyboarder friendly and has extremely handy network and CPU monitors right on 
the taskbar.

I wrote about IceWM here:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200209/200209.htm

Re: New Distro

On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 13:42 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> 
> Yes. IceWM is IMHO easier to use, cleaner, and much less resource intensive 
> than KD crash and burn E or GNO supremely inconvenient ME.

I consider running the KDE as joining the KKK :) Since everything is
prefixed with a K :)

FYI, another great desktop environment which has become such over the
years is XFCE. Many that weren't to happy with a bloated Gnome or etc
but wanted to use GTK over QT ended up with XFCE. I am still a roaming
Gnome myself :)

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Re: File System Recommendation

I've got XFS running on a software raid 5 that occasionally burps on
me.  (I have backups)  I havent lost anything yet, but it isnt exactly
instilling confidence.  I used JFS several years ago, and lost data,
so never went back.  I used Reiser3 in the past for all my data
partitions with no issues, but I'm not sure how well its supported
going forward.

For my money, on an everyday laptop, there is no real reason not to
use ext3.  Its safe, fast enough, and very well supported.

dan

On 8/23/07, solid@...
<solid@...> wrote:
> I am getting  a new laptop pretty soon and I was wondering if anyone has
> any recommendations for file systems other than ext3.  I was happily using
> reiserfs (v3) forever but I am pretty sure I don't want use a system that
> is no longer being supported.
>
> What is the word on XFS?  JFS?  Is anyone using any of these with Gentoo?
> Would I be overly ambitious if I decided to use it on my laptop?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Solid
>
>

Re: New Distro

On Saturday 01 September 2007, Paul Tiseo wrote:
> So,
>
>
>
> I've been out of the GNU/Linux loop for a couple of years due to the
> software development projects I was on at the time and, due to the
> shenanigans of MS on OOXML standardization and that being the last straw on
> rather forgiving camel's back, I'm looking to move back to GNU/Linux for
> the next couple of projects. I am obviously a developer and have a couple
> of projects lined up where I think I will experiment with Python, Ruby
> and/or Erlang.
>
> So, I am setting my self up with a home workstation and server. Ok, I
> should know better since this usually is two of the major "religious"
> GNU/Linux wars, but which distro and what of KDE/GNOME? I'm leaning towards
> Fedora or Ubuntu with KDE, but is there any reason to want to do
> differently?

Well, if you're a developer nothing beats Gentoo.  Since you compile 
everything from scratch you'll always have all the libraries you need for 
whatever you're working with and you don't have to deal with installing 
source RPMs or source DEBs.  Not only that, but creating your own ebuilds in 
the event that you want to customize a package is much easier than, say, 
messing around with .spec files (RPM) or building DEBs.

If you want all the benefits of Gentoo without having to start from scratch, 
try Sabayon Linux:

http://www.sabayonlinux.org/

Re: New Distro

On 9/3/07, Riskable <Riskable@...> wrote:
>
> Well, if you're a developer nothing beats Gentoo.  Since you compile
> everything from scratch you'll always have all the libraries you need for
> whatever you're working with and you don't have to deal with installing
> source RPMs or source DEBs.  Not only that, but creating your own ebuilds in
> the event that you want to customize a package is much easier than, say,
> messing around with .spec files (RPM) or building DEBs.

If you are compiling software on RPM-base systems, there are *-devel
packages that provide you with the necessary libraries.  You do not
need to install source RPMs.  My familiarity with Debian/Ubuntu is
limited, but I will bet there is a similar system for them.

Also remember that, as a developer, if you want people to use the
software you create (assuming its not all web based and only something
you host) you want will to know how to create RPMs and DEBs (neither
of which is particularly hard) so you can reach a much broader install
base.

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Re: New Distro

On 9/3/07, Riskable <Riskable@...> wrote:

> If you're also looking at IDEs I highly recommend the following:
>
> RadRails:  http://www.radrails.org/
> Quanta Plus (built into KDE):  http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/
> Kate (built into KDE):  http://kate-editor.org/

I myself would highly recommend looking at Eclipse before deviating
into lesser used IDEs.

> Note that Quanta Plus and Kate use KDE's built-in KIO slaves to get to things
> like remote SSH directories and subversion repositories.  I've seen many
> people overlook this, "Quanta is great but I need the ability to open files
> remotely."  People who are used to Gnome usually don't know they can just
> type, "fish://user <at> host" (for SSH/SCP), "svn://user <at> host" (for
> Subvesion), "webdav://user <at> host", or "ftp://user <at> host" in _all_ KDE open/save
> dialogs.
>
> KIOSlaves is one of the reasons I prefer KDE over Gnome:  Don't need to mount
> everything to access it remotely (i.e. via sshfs).

I have similar/same functionality in Gnome.  In fact, I am doing as
you describe right now in Gnome.  Your assumptions appear to be dated.

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Re: New Distro

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 10:34 -0400, Kyle Gonzales wrote:
>
> Also remember that, as a developer, if you want people to use the
> software you create (assuming its not all web based and only something
> you host) you want will to know how to create RPMs and DEBs (neither
> of which is particularly hard) so you can reach a much broader install
> base.

Meh that falls on downtstream. If you make a bitchen package, someone
else will come along and make a RPM or DEB. So it's available on their
favorite distro. IMHO developers need not worry about distribution, but
developing bitching apps ;)

It's called open source, not pre-built binaries :) j/k

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Re: New Distro

On 9/3/07, William L. Thomson Jr. <wlt@...> wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 10:34 -0400, Kyle Gonzales wrote:
> >
> > Also remember that, as a developer, if you want people to use the
> > software you create (assuming its not all web based and only something
> > you host) you want will to know how to create RPMs and DEBs (neither
> > of which is particularly hard) so you can reach a much broader install
> > base.
>
> Meh that falls on downtstream. If you make a bitchen package, someone
> else will come along and make a RPM or DEB. So it's available on their
> favorite distro. IMHO developers need not worry about distribution, but
> developing bitching apps ;)
>
> It's called open source, not pre-built binaries :) j/k

I guess it depends on how much you care about people trying your
software.  If you don't care, don't do it.

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