I got the Band of Brothers DVD set for Father's day, and in the "Making of" special feature, you see a lot of Cineon flowgraphs. No clip editor, unfortunately. -- -- Paul Tomblin <ptomblin@...>, not speaking for anybody "Maybe if your vcr is still blinking 12:00 you shouldn't be using Linux." -- Slashdot poster
A lot of the effects for BoB was done by Cinesite UK. Nice work. I think the different episodes were rather inconsistent reflecting the work of different directors but on the whole I am jealous. I saw them on HBO and could see them again. Paul Tomblin wrote: > I got the Band of Brothers DVD set for Father's day, and in the "Making > of" special feature, you see a lot of Cineon flowgraphs. No clip editor, > unfortunately. > -- -- The Ideal Situation Is To Have Massive Computing Power Right At Home. Something That Dims Streetlights And Shrinks The Picture On The Neighbors' TV's When I Boot Up.
Hi I was wondering if anyone knew how much of the Cineon source code ended up with the Rayz people? Wasn't some deal done, so that Rayz could incorporate Cineon technology? And more interestingly, how much, if any, of that ended ended up with Nothing Real/Apple when Apple bought Rayz. If they have the code knocking about, it'd be nice to get the Shake people to have a look, see if they can't put some Cineon know-how into Shake (eg proper grain, fast circle blur etc). Or are Kodak just sitting on the Cineon code? apologies if you think this Q isn't appropriate to the mail list. paddy -- -- paddy eason moving picture company, london http://www.moving-picture.com
I was talking to Ian Godin (one of the lead Chalice and Rayz developers, who left just a few months after Apple bought Silicon Grail) just a few days ago, and he said that they has acquired "most" of the Cineon code. -----Original Message----- From: cineon-admin@... [mailto:cineon-admin@...] On Behalf Of Paddy Eason Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:51 AM To: cineon@... Subject: [Cineon] Cineon>Rayz>Shake Hi I was wondering if anyone knew how much of the Cineon source code ended up with the Rayz people? Wasn't some deal done, so that Rayz could incorporate Cineon technology? And more interestingly, how much, if any, of that ended ended up with Nothing Real/Apple when Apple bought Rayz. If they have the code knocking about, it'd be nice to get the Shake people to have a look, see if they can't put some Cineon know-how into Shake (eg proper grain, fast circle blur etc). Or are Kodak just sitting on the Cineon code? apologies if you think this Q isn't appropriate to the mail list. paddy(Continue reading)
I remember towards the last days of Cineon, Rohan, Andy and myself ripped out large pieces of the Cineon code so that it could be used by other companies. Andy, correct my if I'm wrong, but I thought it was the grain stuff, cinfs and most of the color node code. (Say that five times fast!) I don't think that they (Kodak) ever turned over the cinespeed code. But then again, who ever thought that we would have turned over any Cineon code. On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Joshua Glasser wrote: > I was talking to Ian Godin (one of the lead Chalice and Rayz > developers, who > left just a few months after Apple bought Silicon Grail) just a few > days > ago, and he said that they has acquired "most" of the Cineon code. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cineon-admin@... [mailto:cineon-admin@...] On Behalf > Of > Paddy Eason > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:51 AM > To: cineon@... > Subject: [Cineon] Cineon>Rayz>Shake > > > Hi > > I was wondering if anyone knew how much of the Cineon source code ended > up with the Rayz people? Wasn't some deal done, so that Rayz could(Continue reading)
On 6/17/03 13:51, "Paddy Eason" <paddyeason@...> wrote: > Hi > > I was wondering if anyone knew how much of the Cineon source code ended > up with the Rayz people? Wasn't some deal done, so that Rayz could > incorporate Cineon technology? > > And more interestingly, how much, if any, of that ended ended up with > Nothing Real/Apple when Apple bought Rayz. If they have the code > knocking about, it'd be nice to get the Shake people to have a look, see > if they can't put some Cineon know-how into Shake (eg proper grain, fast > circle blur etc). > > Or are Kodak just sitting on the Cineon code? > > apologies if you think this Q isn't appropriate to the mail list. > > paddy I understood that it was most of the code including cinespeed, degrain, regrain etc etc. Chris --------------------- Chris Noellert Syndicate Ent. AB Grevgatan 53 114 58 Stockholm(Continue reading)
I don't remember the details. And besides, this is definitely not something that I'm able to discuss. As Lance says to Vincent in Pulp Fiction: Are you calling me on a cell phone? I don't know you. Prank caller, prank caller! Michael Simone wrote: > I remember towards the last days of Cineon, Rohan, Andy and myself > ripped out large pieces of the Cineon code so that it could be used by > other companies. Andy, correct my if I'm wrong, but I thought it was > the grain stuff, cinfs and most of the color node code. (Say that five > times fast!) I don't think that they (Kodak) ever turned over the > cinespeed code. But then again, who ever thought that we would have > turned over any Cineon code. > > On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Joshua Glasser wrote: > >> I was talking to Ian Godin (one of the lead Chalice and Rayz >> developers, who >> left just a few months after Apple bought Silicon Grail) just a few days >> ago, and he said that they has acquired "most" of the Cineon code. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cineon-admin@... [mailto:cineon-admin@...] On >> Behalf Of >> Paddy Eason(Continue reading)
Rayz did have access to much of the code but was trying to determine what to put into the software. They had a working version of a cinespeed tool that was optimized and quite a bit faster than cinespeed. Unfortunately Rayz never got too far before being snatched up by Apple. From what I hear most of the Rayz developers have since left Apple and I don't believe that Silicon Grail actually owned the source code for the Cineon tools so I would find it hard to believe that Apple would be able to use the code in Shake. Another alternative is the Furnace tool set from the Foundry. The degrain/regrain works quite well and kronos, the retimer works very well. You even have the ability of seeing what the results are from the graph in shake rather than having to run the analysis and then the interpolation. It works very well. JD
Aint that the truth. This is getting way, way to far out there for me to say a word. It is funny though, to see how many people think they knew what was happening and how far off they really are. Andrew C Blose wrote: > I don't remember the details. And besides, this is definitely not > something that I'm able to discuss. > > As Lance says to Vincent in Pulp Fiction: > > Are you calling me on a cell phone? I don't know you. Prank caller, > prank caller! > > Michael Simone wrote: > >> I remember towards the last days of Cineon, Rohan, Andy and myself >> ripped out large pieces of the Cineon code so that it could be used by >> other companies. Andy, correct my if I'm wrong, but I thought it was >> the grain stuff, cinfs and most of the color node code. (Say that five >> times fast!) I don't think that they (Kodak) ever turned over the >> cinespeed code. But then again, who ever thought that we would have >> turned over any Cineon code. >> >> On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Joshua Glasser wrote: >> >>> I was talking to Ian Godin (one of the lead Chalice and Rayz >>> developers, who >>> left just a few months after Apple bought Silicon Grail) just a few days(Continue reading)
It is a lot of fun (for someone with Cineon ownership) to view the Shake 3 QuickTours http://www.apple.com/shake/quicktour/ It's Deja Vu all over again! Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com
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