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Are there any internet service providers in India offering internet
access on the buses and trains using WIFI technology?

Your response would be deeply appreciated

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Kasturi Buildings, J Tata Road, Churchgate, Mumbai (Bombay)- 400020.
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Vickram Crishna | 1 Jun 13:10 2010
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I have noticed there are often open networks on the Mumbai-Pune bus route, but not, unfortunately, at the
rest stops themselves. 

The Railways have been toying for many years about supplying Internet access on the main trunk lines, and
for them, it is actually close to trivial, but they have not, to the best of my knowledge, actually taken any
of these projects to the logical conclusion. Many of the express service carriages are however, equipped
with power sockets for keeping laptops and phones charged, which is also quite useful. 

One of the fallouts of the tardiness with which the major transport services (bus and train) have moved on
Internet access is that many commuters use the commonly available USB dongles for net access, hence are no
longer dependent on the infinitely future plans of the transport service providers.
 Vickram
http://communicall.wordpress.com
http://vvcrishna.wordpress.com

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> Subject: [india-gii] 
> 
> Dear Friends

Are there any internet service providers in India offering 
> internet
access on the buses and trains using WIFI technology?

Your 
> response would be deeply appreciated

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Banibrata Dutta | 1 Jun 13:18 2010
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Also, few Bangalore based IT-sector MNC's offer WiFi internet access
(albeit at somewhat low speeds) for their employees in the company
provided buses. These vehicles are fitted with a gateway-router type
device i.e. acts as internet gateway by accepting USB data-dongles
(usually CDMA EV-DO or GSM-EDGE/GPRS) on one side, and WiFi for the
employee laptops on other side. These are solutions that are hacked
together by some local System-Integrators, and don't have the
blessings of ISVs. For the ISV, this is just yet-another EV-Do or
GPRS/EDGE data device.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Vickram Crishna <v1clist@...> wrote:
> I have noticed there are often open networks on the Mumbai-Pune bus route, but not, unfortunately, at the
rest stops themselves.
>
> The Railways have been toying for many years about supplying Internet access on the main trunk lines, and
for them, it is actually close to trivial, but they have not, to the best of my knowledge, actually taken any
of these projects to the logical conclusion. Many of the express service carriages are however, equipped
with power sockets for keeping laptops and phones charged, which is also quite useful.
>
> One of the fallouts of the tardiness with which the major transport services (bus and train) have moved on
Internet access is that many commuters use the commonly available USB dongles for net access, hence are no
longer dependent on the infinitely future plans of the transport service providers.
>  Vickram
> http://communicall.wordpress.com
> http://vvcrishna.wordpress.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: "Rahul Wadke, Sr Reporter, The Hindu Business Line. " <rawhbl <at> gmail.com>
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Kingsly John | 1 Jun 13:30 2010
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+++ Banibrata Dutta [2010-06-01 16:48:42]:

> employee laptops on other side. These are solutions that are hacked
> together by some local System-Integrators, and don't have the
> blessings of ISVs. For the ISV, this is just yet-another EV-Do or
> GPRS/EDGE data device.

Tata Indicom does offer 3G wifi routers.

http://www.tataphoton.com/tata-photon-plus-router.aspx

Kingsly

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Ashish Saboo list | 1 Jun 22:38 2010
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Re: J Gopikrishnan's articles about wireless telecom

Whatever theory you may try to explain it with - Net present value
.... marginal efficiency theory of capital etc , they all are
punctuated by certain assumption of underlining   factors influencing,
say capital cost remain constant or does it really remains so ? ,
unfortunately not all share the perception & hence willing to take the
gamble  I can see 3 pointers :

A > The global liquidity of funds:  These marketing managers of  "Hot
Money" chasing financial closure & disbursement for  the project are
not going to stick around to address the then silly hindsight
questions on sustainability. Further there are very very few big
ticket projects with an appetite to actually digest big money  , these
abstract airwaves projects look more favorable as compared to power
projects - stuck in environmental clearances , metal extraction
projects stuck with indigenous people displacement issues & many more
but here we can expect these project see the light well before Diwali
lamps light up . So any company with demonstrable capability like say
Airtel can easily  fork the moolah  .  so you like it or not  these
irrational numbers for deep pockets look too rational & you just can't
stop them.

B > The underdog Entrepreneur's persistence to be part of this circus
& he understands the cost of not participating in the auction is far
greater   & hence willing to take gamble & even if he fails he can
blame on corruption  & rescind from the contract . in the past during
the telecom licensing scheme  we had the underdog  Himachal futuristic
& a competent minister Sukhram supervising the scheme ,

C > In case the global liquidity vanishes , maybe all the bidders
collectively wriggle out from the contract , leaving no option  for
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VK Cherian | 2 Jun 04:50 2010
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Re: J Gopikrishnan's articles about wireless telecom

Asish/Vickram
 
Personally I do not think , there is not much to  talk about the big auction figures. Recall  the  time wen HFCL quoted 85,000 cores for the licences in the first tender for  telecom services. Have they paid it yet , not.  The industry has always done it , excite the government and the babus and then slowly work on them and  pull them down to a figure  to  may be  to a fraction of  what they have quoted. Earlier change from  license fee to  share of revenue is the classical example.  But to be there at the winners league to bargain you need to do what HFCL did.
 
As   for media reports , inlcuding  Gopalakrishnan  or the telephone tapping story- all I can say as former daily reporter,  there are few political reporters who understand  telecoms  and very few telecom reporters who can peep into politics too. So we have a field day  with such " exciting " reports.
As for Raja and spectrum, the PM officially said   it was the policy of NDA which  Raja followed, . He did one thing where Maran sat over,  he like Sukh Ram went ahead and  just did it . DMK made their money ,peirod. His party and leader stood by  him and he went through to cabinet to make sure  that  no one can touch him too.
 
And this so called transcript has been with many industry people atleast a month before  Gopakrishnan was given it.  The only result of it is - I feel the cd was given by  younger   brother' side  0f the mumbai group - is to embaress  Neeta Radia who was flying high on Tatas and elder brother   and becoming bigger day by day. The job is done and  she wil have to take  sabbatical for atleast six months.  Rest nothing happens to anyone and we keep debating it..
 
Balcony view of a  shadow fight is always interesting.
 
bye
VK Cheria

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Ashish Saboo list <ezine <at> cybernook.net> wrote:
Whatever theory you may try to explain it with - Net present value
.... marginal efficiency theory of capital etc , they all are
punctuated by certain assumption of underlining   factors influencing,
say capital cost remain constant or does it really remains so ? ,
unfortunately not all share the perception & hence willing to take the
gamble  I can see 3 pointers :

A > The global liquidity of funds:  These marketing managers of  "Hot
Money" chasing financial closure & disbursement for  the project are
not going to stick around to address the then silly hindsight
questions on sustainability. Further there are very very few big
ticket projects with an appetite to actually digest big money  , these
abstract airwaves projects look more favorable as compared to power
projects - stuck in environmental clearances , metal extraction
projects stuck with indigenous people displacement issues & many more
but here we can expect these project see the light well before Diwali
lamps light up . So any company with demonstrable capability like say
Airtel can easily  fork the moolah  .  so you like it or not  these
irrational numbers for deep pockets look too rational & you just can't
stop them.

B > The underdog Entrepreneur's persistence to be part of this circus
& he understands the cost of not participating in the auction is far
greater   & hence willing to take gamble & even if he fails he can
blame on corruption  & rescind from the contract . in the past during
the telecom licensing scheme  we had the underdog  Himachal futuristic
& a competent minister Sukhram supervising the scheme ,

C > In case the global liquidity vanishes , maybe all the bidders
collectively wriggle out from the contract , leaving no option  for
the govt but renegotiate . It remains a high probability  as of now
the Indian Telecom growth story was based on falling ARPUs  & growing
numbers & accommodative eco system - low cost handsets .  not sure how
things will come in 3G era - smart phones won't be under less than usd
200 ( ET has an interesting interview with M$ ceo ) , for conventional
revenue schemes ARPUs are squeezed lemon .  Whats left  is the poor
desi consumer  cheated like currently 128 kbps speed or even less is
broadband ... we may have further new definitions  leaving your fate
to the omnipresent  3G :  God, Govt & Goon.

on a not so pessimistic note : this 3G may also bring innovative
approaches - world may define us poor but our lust for Glamor (
Bollywood  ) & Gold is intact . 3G will help this convergence - I
disconnect my DTH connection & track my  Sovereign prices on the ever
mushrooming commodity bourse   on a single intelligent idiot box , so
I am willing to pay more to save something. can this happen ? any clue
?

Good Night

Ashish

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Vickram Crishna <v1clist-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Atanu, Sanjay
> NPV is a term, as I am sure you know, but for those who may not use it
> regularly, that estimates the present value of a future resource, in terms
> of its productivity.
> If India did not have to cope with the cost of poverty (NREGS etc are the
> upfront cost, far more valuable is the loss of GNP due to non-productive
> human resources), then its GNP/GDP would be many times higher than the
> current numbers. There are two aspects to this productivity: that which
> contributes to the cash economy, and that which sustains a living, but
> without any direct impact on the cash economy (ie, it does not relate to the
> consumption of cash valued production).
> At the present time, much of India is poverty-stricken: the people subsist
> on non-cash items, typically gleanings from agriculture and forestry, as
> well as a significant amount of non-cash work (payment in kind, usually),
> some of which is the pernicious bonded labour. If all of that was
> mandatorily transformed in cash terms, we would have what I call
> hyper-productivity, all 1.2 bn of us producing and consuming in cash. Of
> course, this assumes that the 'transformation' is real and not inflationary,
> or else the poor would remain poor, with the rupee devaluing in real
> purchasing power.
> Since the telecom licenses are typically renewed after ten years, we must
> take a decade of such hyper-productivity and factor in the present value it
> represents, and judge it against the revenues received on account of the
> spectrum sale (what an oxymoron!), viz 100,000cr (I mistakenly wrote
> 100,000Kcr earlier, what I meant was 100Kcr). Actually, as I understand it,
> even the 100Kcr will actually flow in over ten years, so we need to NPV both
> figures for a meaningful comparison.
> My argument is that a nation of people with egalitarian access to
> communications is able to manage such a transformation in a manner that
> simply bypasses the ills of the 'industrial age' witnessed in Britain,
> Europe and the US. The early industrial age did not have such a tool at its
> disposal, and we can look back in history to see how punishingly unequal
> were the so-called economic benefits it (ie the EIA) conferred. This was
> countered in part by the creation of the welfare state, a patchwork or
> bandaid (ie not evolved, but imposed) First World solution that is in severe
> danger of vanishing forever in the next handful of years, as has the Second
> World.
> I do not think that 21st century humans can afford to see the early
> industrial age evolve across the so-called Third World, as
> telecommunications has an organic presence of its own, undoubtedly aided by
> the powerful growth of 'kitchen' technologies (FOSS and its hardware
> equivalents). The persistent folly of the spectrum shenanigans (first the
> risible 3G auction, now BWA) may end up being overcome by the refusal of the
> repressed to kowtow. The dangers we saw only a couple of years ago for
> China, with its vast non-conformist Western (non-Han) population forcibly
> kept from accessing middle class aspirations, but able to build their own
> versions of Twitter and FB and other less visible groupings, may well assail
> us.
>
> Vickram
> http://communicall.wordpress.com
> http://vvcrishna.wordpress.com
>
> From: Sanjay Verma <sanjaysverma-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
> To: india-gii-exipcMZXGhH9nmKIgjYY/w@public.gmane.org
> Sent: Mon, 31 May, 2010 13:10:46
> Subject: RE: [india-gii] J Gopikrishnan's articles about wireless telecom
>
> Dear Vickram
>
> *The fact that the auctions are going to sweep in around 100,000Kcr over the
> next ten years only goes to show how poor money is as a measure of true
> value, when the net present value of an India from which poverty has been
> removed as a governing factor cannot compete (because no economist is
> willing or competent to compute it in money terms).
>> Vickram
>
> Kindly elaborate on the above where you are making a point about 'net
> present value' without the poverty indices factored into it!
> An explanation may be helpful to me to subscribe whole-heartedly to your
> stand.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sanjay Verma
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IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey 2010

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Vickram Crishna | 2 Jun 11:21 2010
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Re: J Gopikrishnan's articles about wireless telecom

Ashis, Cherian: whether or not you feel that nothing can be done about corruption, the simple fact remains that poverty reduction has to be among the biggest challenges for our country. 

Corruption takes many forms: I found an old document where a distant relation told his son that going to office and not doing an honest day's work was corruption, as much if not more than taking money upfront. 

For many people, corruption is the necessity they live with, in order to bring home the money necessary to live. This is its greatest victory, when honest people turn to corruption for survival. Yet this kind of corruption is also one that ensures that while some people get enough, others get nothing at all. For forest-dwellers, it hardly matters as they do not crave money, but it becomes meaningful - indeed, a necessity - when some corrupt official abuses her power to take away the means of life itself from them (denying them access to a forest whose existence depends on them, for instance). 

But denial of life's necessities turns out also to be a function of the telecom revolution - satellite television was thought to be a means to impart basic education about crop enhancement, but is actually the wellspring of aspirational living. 

Millions of people continue to flock to cities, dazzled by the free and easy way of life depicted in fictional serials and films. No popular film (ok, so maybe that's too much of a generalisation) finds it of any use to portray honest living as an aspiration. It's just not good theater.

Anyway, I digress. My point is that one-to-many 'casting is an unreal use of telecommunications when the many equals millions. One-to-one 'casting (whether voice or data) has a far greater credibility in the long run, but this kind of communication has the money millstone around its neck, due to the continuing corruption of 'the system' (as though making it a system is a justification).
Publication of the Gopikrishnan and Nikam kind of reportage has the value, when it gathers enough steam, to force the most obvious corrupters out of office, as may happen today if Raja finds himself off the gaddi.   

Vickram
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From: VK Cherian <vkcherian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: india-gii-exipcMZXGhH9nmKIgjYY/w@public.gmane.org
Sent: Wed, 2 June, 2010 8:20:33
Subject: Re: [india-gii] J Gopikrishnan's articles about wireless telecom

Rest nothing happens to anyone and we keep debating it..
So any company with demonstrable capability like say
Airtel can easily  fork the moolah  .  so you like it or not  these
irrational numbers for deep pockets look too rational & you just can't
stop them.
Ashish

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Vickram Crishna <v1clist-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Atanu, Sanjay
> My argument is that a nation of people with egalitarian access to
> communications is able to manage such a transformation in a manner that
> simply bypasses the ills of the 'industrial age' witnessed in Britain,
> Europe and the US. 

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New Delhi

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Rajesh Kankaria | 2 Jun 12:18 2010

Re:

Rahul

Picked up a WiFi router with a car-lighter-power-adapter and got it script-customized for most of the Indian HSPDA/CDMA services (Photon+, Netconnect, mBlaze).

Few of the local city AC buses are running a trial to provide WiFi (Free or paid am not sure about their biz model) for its travelers. Since am also involved with a vehicle tracking company its an add-on service with couple of more services attached to it. The challenge was to utilize the access bandwidth available somehow.

Hope this helps.

Rajesh


On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Rahul Wadke, Sr Reporter, The Hindu Business Line. <rawhbl <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends

Are there any internet service providers in India offering internet
access on the buses and trains using WIFI technology?

Your response would be deeply appreciated

--
Rahul Wadke

Senior Reporter

The Hindu Business Line,
Kasturi Buildings, J Tata Road, Churchgate, Mumbai (Bombay)- 400020.
India.

+91 9892424637-Mobile
+91 022-22021099-Office
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Udhay Shankar N | 3 Jun 16:50 2010
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UK Scrapping National IDs

The irony is exquisite.

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8707355.stm
>
> ID card scheme 'axed in 100 days'
>
> The National Identity Card scheme will be abolished within 100 days
> with all cards becoming invalid, Home Secretary Theresa May has said.
>
> Legislation to axe the scheme will be the first put before parliament
> by the new government - with a target of it becoming law by August.
>
> The 15,000 people who voluntarily paid £30 for a card since the 2009
> roll out in Manchester will not get a refund.
>
> Ms May said ID card holders would at least have a "souvenir" of the
> scheme.
>
> TIMELINE
> # July 2002: Plans unveiled
> # November 2004: ID cards bill
> # March 2006: Act becomes law
> # November 2009: Cards available
> # May 2010: Scheme scrapped
>
> The Labour scheme was aimed at tackling fraud, illegal immigration and
> identity theft - but it was criticised for being too expensive and an
> infringement of civil liberties. The cards were designed to hold
> personal biometric data on an encrypted chip, including name, a
> photograph and fingerprints. The supporting National Identity Register
> was designed to hold up to 50 pieces of information.
>
> The cards already in circulation will remain legal until Parliament
> has passed the legislation to abolish them and the register. The short
> abolition bill will be pushed through Parliament as quickly as
> possible with the aim of cards being invalid by 3 September.
>
> Anyone who has a card or has to deal with them, such as airport
> security officials, will be told the termination date in writing. Once
> the cards are illegal, the National Identity Register will be
> "physically destroyed", say ministers. Some 60 people who were working
> on the scheme for the Identity and Passport Service in Durham have
> lost their jobs.
>
> Ms May said: "This bill is a first step of many that this government
> is taking to reduce the control of the state over decent, law-abiding
> people and hand power back to them. With swift Parliamentary approval,
> we aim to consign identity cards and the intrusive ID card scheme to
> history within 100 days."
>
> £800m saving
>
> Officials are renegotiating two contracts worth £650m with companies
> who had agreed to deliver parts of the scheme. It's not clear how much
> the government will need to pay compensation, but officials say there
> is no "poisoned pill" in the deals and they expect to save £86m once
> all exit costs are met.
>
> 'DON'T TAKE AWAY MY ID'
> “ I paid £30 for this identity card and I certainly would have paid
> £75 for it because of the advantages it has given me ”
> John Kirby, one of the 15,000 ID cardholders
>
> Some £250m was spent on developing the national ID programme over
> eight years and its abolition will mean the government will avoid
> spending a further £800m over a decade.
>
> Former Labour Home Secretary David Blunkett unveiled plans for an
> identity card scheme in July 2002. By February 2010, the scheme's
> costs over its lifetime had ballooned to an estimated £4.5bn.
>
> Despite the demise of the national identity card, a separate but
> technically similar scheme for some foreign nationals will continue.
>
> That scheme, run by the UK Border Agency, is still being rolled out.
> Immigration minister Damian Green said the scheme was an EU obligation
> and that the previous Labour government had rolled it into the main ID
> card programme.
>
> Some 200,000 of these cards, now known as biometric resident permits,
> have already been given to migrant workers, foreign students and
> family members from outside the European Economic Area.
>
> British passports are about to be upgraded to a new international
> security standard but additional proposals to put more biometric
> information on in the future have also been axed.
>
> Story from BBC NEWS:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8707355.stm
>
> Published: 2010/05/27 11:54:47 GMT
>
> © BBC MMX

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