Re: [IP] Press release HongKong: now 100/100 Mbps <at> US$13/month
ken <
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2009-11-03 08:49:28 GMT
Inline, please...
Vickram Crishna wrote:
> So if an Akamai server is located in HK, peering at hkix
> (unbelievable it wouldn't) does that mean a large chunk of 'real'
> Internet resource would also be available at 100mbit? Ditto for other
> methods of local archiving/mirroring.
Even better, what is the total volume of information that would likely
to be accessed by the general Indian population on a regular basis?
For the purposes of this aspect of this discussion, let's separate out
the kinds of information which are static resources, (and could easily
be cached) data that needs to be kept current that is international in
nature, and bits that are national but are time sensitive, such as a
VoIP session.
In the first instance, all information that is generated in India
(newspapers, government access, distance education, etc.) could be
easily and cheaply cached while being connected to the Indian network.
The second group of data sets do require international access but if we
look at what is being requested (Yahoo, Google, NYT, etc) the total
amount of bandwidth required is a subset of the greater whole. In this
we need to understand that the need to most people in India to access
Swedish language websites is relatively small (as would be the case in
Africa) the total amount of international access required could be
dramatically reduced - and this is a huge part of the overall expense.
In the third case, we are looking at what will overwhelmingly be
intra-network communications (leaving aside international telephone
which could easily be filtered out if required by government or to
reduce costs. In this subset of connectivity the actual cost is trivial.
But in order for this type of network to work there has to be large
enough pipes to carry what needs to be contained on the network -
including the cached information, which would be substantial.
> Assume the answer is yes, logically, a powerful true "awesome"
> broadband service is effectively a combination of an HKBN type
> service and massive local mirror/archive, leaving only
> unmirrored/archived resources to be accessed off the wider Net
> through backbones, potentially reducing both choke and overall cost.
> Which is not a very awesome task, as Ken points out, and would be
> worth treating as the 'bar' to meet.
Damn, and I took all that space above to say the same thing.
> However, that is only the technical part of the situation.
>
> In the meantime, much more technical conversations continue at the
> mesh potato dev list.
>
> One argument that has been mentioned here before, but perhaps not
> taken very seriously, is the potential for an HK type solution to be
> traduced by local 'regulation'. In mainland China, one sentiment
> towards regulation is expressed in the story referenced at this link
> : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8329217.stm, which is about
> an appeal made by a Chinese government official to the Melbourne Film
> Festival organisers, asking for control on film content (an Uighur
> documentary) displayed at the Festival, and also about similar
> requests made at the Frankfurt Book Festival (two writers at a
> symposium). Obviously, I am not suggesting a discussion here about
> Chinese political views on particular dissenters, but about the
> approach.
While this is a problem, there is also the reality that the world is
moving to a time when the deluge of information will soon outstrip any
government's ability to control, filter, or censor it.
Here is a specific example...
http://tinyurl.com/yzjzl8f
As quoted from the above link,
"In Utah, the National Security Agency is building a $2 billion storage
facility that will house and analyze all forms of electronic
communication...a potential yottabyte of everyone's (formerly) personal
data. So how big is a yottabyte? CrunchGear puts it well:
There are a thousand gigabytes in a terabyte, a thousand terabytes
in a petabyte, a thousand petabytes in an exabyte, a thousand exabytes
in a zettabyte, and a thousand zettabytes in a yottabyte. In other
words, a yottabyte is 1,000,000,000,000,000GB."
If we assume that users create content faster than it can be collected,
stored, and indexed today, and we assume that the rate that content is
being created will continue to outstrip technology's ability to process
it, there is bound to be an eventual breakdown in any government's
ability to control this flow of information.
You can tell them I said so.
> In India, now, the latest Draconian law/rules would make it difficult
> for an Akamai to operate sensibly, while the situation is very grey
> for Google-type searches and email traffic. In other so-called
> democracies, including the US, limits to cyber-freedom take other
> forms, including takedowns of Indymedia-type servers and so on.
Strangely, this will probably be the front line of the battle that will
reduce government's ability to regulate this aspect of our lives. While
we saw the Iranian government slam the door shut on its population, the
next time this is tried I believe the task will be even more difficult.
When the dam springs a leak it is possible to stick some bureaucrat's
finger in the leak and plug it. When the dam springs a billion leaks,
spread out across the better part of a continent, it is amazing how fast
the bureaucracy runs out of fingers.
> We are fortunate on this list to be able to understand and discuss
> issues on both sides of the divide: technical and philosophical. I
> don't know if we have, though, been a spark for converting such
> discussions to practical action. That consideration (cause and
> effect) need not limit our dialogue, though.
We are indeed fortunate.
It should also be pointed out that it may not be our job to actually
affect change directly, we, instead, may be the foundation for the next
generation to learn from our discourse and carry this battle forward.
In countries that do not have the resources to squander we may also be
able to build the networks that will create massive shifts in how day to
day lives are run - but only if we keep this philosophy in the forefront
and make sure that whatever we plan implements this design.
In short (kind of late for that in retrospect) let's make sure we think
ahead of the curve, not behind.
Ken
Vickram
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ken
>> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:23:42
>> To:
>> Subject: [india-gii] [IP] Press release HongKong: now 100/100 Mbps <at>
>> US$13/month
>>
>> This is the bar set by the competition. We will meet it or pay the price
>> of decreased economic vitality.
>>
>> http://reg.hkbn.net/ctigroup_admin/files_upload/PR_MGM_E99.pdf
>>
>> For Immediate Release
>>
>> HKBN: “AWESOME SPEED. FOR EVERYONE”
>>
>> 100Mbps broadband at US$13/month
>>
>> (Hong Kong, 1 November 2009) Hong Kong Broadband Network Ltd (“HKBN”),
>> a wholly owned subsidiary of City Telecom (HK) Limited (HKSE: 1137,
>> NASDAQ: CTEL), today announces breakthrough “AWESOME SPEED. FOR
>> EVERYONE” - 100Mbps broadband service at US$13/month (HK$99/month).
>>
>> Some cars earn “SuperCar” status by their sheer performance but are
>> priced beyond the mass. At HKBN, we have shattered this affordability
>> barrier by delivering a “SuperCar” class symmetric 100Mbps broadband
>> service at a mass market price.. Anyone who stays within our 1.62
>> million households’ network coverage, including all our existing
>> 391,000 broadband users are eligible to invite a friend to join our
>> bb100 service for 24 months for price of HK$99 (US$13)/month each.
>>
>> At this monthly fee level, the cost per Mbps for HKBN’s 100Mbps
>> broadband service is just US$0.06 (HK$0.50), which is AWESOME World
>> Class leading value. Furthermore, with our unique Speed Guarantee of
>> 80% local bandwidth and unparalleled performance in massively
>> multiplayer online role-playing games, we are delivering on one of our
>> core purposes “To experience the joy of advancing and applying
>> telecommunications technology for the benefit of the public”.
>>
>> Mr. William Yeung, Chief Executive Officer of HKBN said, “With at
>> least 32% of Internet users in Hong Kong still suffering from
>> broadband services below 10Mbps1, Hong Kong is lagging behind Korea
>> and Japan in terms of Fibre-To-The-Home’s Penetration2, and is only
>> classed as “Comfortably enjoying today’s applications” in terms of
>> Broadband Development3. Being the second largest broadband service
>> provider, we have a duty to improve Hong Kong’s Global standings.
>> Given our exceptional word-of-mouth, our launch of “AWESOME SPEED. FOR
>> EVERYONE” is not just about competition, but also dedicated to
>> applying telecommunications technology for the benefit of public,
>> making Ultra High Speed Broadband Access the norm in Hong Kong.”
>>
>> For video highlights of Hong Kong Press event, with full Television
>> Campaign, please refer
>> to www.youtube.com.hk/HKBNatUtube
>>
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