Vickram Crishna | 16 Jun 06:49 2015
Picon

Untrusted certificates


The site returns an untrustworthy certificate response. However, the site maharashtra.gov.in (also https) has no such problem. Why is this?
 
Vickram
http://communicall.wordpress.com
http://vvcrishna.wordpress.com
_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
Banibrata Dutta | 9 Jun 09:14 2015
Picon

Anyone know if this news is true ? Airtel spying ...

Airtel (& Vodafone, but not clear if in India) are customers of services provided by an Israel based company called Flash networks, who apparently inject references to a Javascript that then tracks user behaviour, and perhaps such information is shared back with the customers.

An Indian hacker based in Bangalore found this and did an expose, but has got a "Cease and Desist" letter from the Israel based company !! What gives...
_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
Arun Mehta | 8 Jun 05:21 2015
Picon

open source and government procurement

As Venky was saying at a meeting of open source activists, the government has introduced several "open" policies, including on open standards, APIa

http://deity.gov.in/sites/upload_files/dit/files/Open_APIs_19May2015.pdf and of course on procurement,
http://deity.gov.in/sites/upload_files/dit/files/Open_APIs_19May2015.pdf

Any thoughts on this? Of course big business doesn't like these policies, surprising they didn't intervene sooner. Or were they caught by surprise? Weren't there consultations first?

Arun Mehta


How open software has become a source of grief for tech majors like Cisco, IBM & Oracle


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/47521852.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Industry bodies US-India Business Council and the Confederation of Indian Industry have urged the government to reconsider its push for open source software that will cut the cost of licensing from big companies such as Cisco, IBM and Oracle.

In submissions to the Department of Electronics and Information Technology (DeitY), which were seen by ET, the two bodies suggested the government replace the clause on mandatory use of open software with "best-fit and best-value technologies ..
_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
Banibrata Dutta | 23 May 10:37 2015
Picon

DeitY - IRIS scanners in all phones

Anyone has any idea as to what is behind this seemingly very strange discussion with "all stakeholders". Who "all" are part of this "all" ?

http://www.medianama.com/2015/05/223-deity-wants-all-mobiles-sold-in-india-to-have-iris-scanners-why
_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
Arun Mehta | 21 May 15:07 2015
Picon

who will win in mobile payments?

Its the money, stupid. Someone is going to create that app, that hardware, get the right backing, and we will stop carrying all those coins, notes and even credit cards around. Is this the right direction? It seems to need the phone to be around, which is a bummer. Just a band around the wrist -- I could see myself wear that. It should work without the phone being around too -- that way the masses could afford it.

Which of you wears a wrist band, or is developing technology around it? I've written a free app, Quartet, that converts phone movement into music and graphics -- I'm looking at  the wearables now.

Arun Mehta

Xiaomi Mi Band wearable to support mobile payments

Xiaomi and Ant Financial, an Alibaba affiliate which includes China's most popular online payment service Alipay, will enable the Alipay Wallet mobile app to link with Xiaomi's Mi Band smart fitness bracelet. That will let users smooth the process of making payments, bypassing the need for passwords.


_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
ken | 21 May 14:52 2015
Picon

The 6X scare.

List,

It has been posited that a significant percentage of the cost for voice is directly due to processing both the billing and record keeping typical in this industry.

So what could happen when we introduce a pervasive WiFi network and all restrictions are removed?

You get services like Scratch Wireless.
www.scratchwireless.com

What you get when you buy a Scratch smartphone:
  • Free unlimited talk, text and data anytime you're on Wi-Fi (which is more than 80% of the time for many of us).
  • Free unlimited texting on Wi-Fi or cellular networks.
  • Pay-as-you-go access to cellular voice and data, only when you need it, for as little as $1.99.
  • Unprecedented customer support.
  • Everything you expect in a smartphone, including access to the entire Google Play store.
  • No contracts. No ads. No catch.

If we reduce the US pricing levels and substitute a lower cost smart phone, one can the benefit to the people of India.

And yet, once such a service was adopted, what effect would this have on the cost of connectivity? My belief is that it would have none.

The question we are asking needs to be reframed from "Who will pay for this?" to "How do we utilize the resources we have to best serve everyone?" and until such time as this discussion begins, we will get more of what we have.

Respectfully,

Ken DiPietro
Cumberland MD

And before anyone casts dispersions, I am in no way affiliated with Scratch Wireless, have never been compensated by them or any other company like them, and do not receive anything whatsoever for providing this information.


_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
Arun Mehta | 20 May 08:13 2015
Picon

chainging phone etiquette

Please, please, please, can we keep recent unpleasant list history out of this discussion?

I was very surprised when people whose opinions I value, talked about how awful it is, to call someone at home. They urged that a particular conversation I was about to have happen via email, not on the phone (please reread first para ;) 

I thought to myself, when things cool down, I must discuss this with them. Too soon? Perhaps you might want to reread the first para, then.

1. Calling people at home. What a quaint idea. Many parts of the world, and even many people with a choice, don't have land lines. Me, if the hour is not too late nor too early, I just call the mobile, ask if this is a good time. Does it matter, where the other person is, when I do this?

2. How does mobile phone etiquette differ from land line etiquette?

3. When the hour is too late, is it ok to text the person? 

4. Some people's phones have loud notification sounds. No less offensive than the phone ringing. Does that come under etiquette too?

5. Where is it not ok to be texting?

6. People with big displays, even with the phone on vibrate, can bug you in the cinema simply by virtue of that shiny light. Any etiquette here?

7. What does etiquette have to say about letting the phone ring, actively refusing to take the call, not returning a missed call?

Have you questions to add to this list?

Now lets come to the part about mail versus phone conversation. I disagee on so many levels.

Many people have been tripped up, many years later, by something taken out of context from an email. I am a firm believer that unless you are willing to defend a statement in court against a lawyer bent on twisting everything, you should not put it down in writing. 

Besides, mail is so much poorer as a communicator of emotion. If the exchange involves emotion, you should at least phone.

Some of us are better at using words than others. Email gives them an unfair advantage. Half of India is illiterate, remember, and the bulk of those who believe themselves to be literate, aren't.

Arun Mehta

_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
Arun Mehta | 19 May 03:11 2015
Picon

why strict Net neutrality works best: simple beats complex

The IT industry has little respect for its veterans. Like they say, if you don't learn from history, you are condemned to repeat it. A brief history lesson, therefore. I presented this as an invited paper at the Pune conference the ITU organized,  called "Beyond the Internet" about 5 years ago, let me know if you would like a copy.

The development of the Internet began roughly around the same time that the telecom companies and the ITU began work on developing X.25 and X.400 standards and technology, analogous to TCP-IP and Internet email. Even with the weight of the ITU and all the governments and telcos of the world behind them, X.25 and X.400 have virtually disappeared, only surviving in niches. Why? Because they were far more complex.

Ethernet beat token ring and all its competitors, again, because it was the simplest: A node that wants to transmit first listens, and if there is nothing on the line, goes ahead and transmits. If two nodes both decide to start transmitting at the same time and cause a collision, they wait a random amount of time each, so as to be unlikely to collide again. WiFi did spectacularly well as a wireless technology even with garbage spectrum, because it essentially implements Ethernet in the air.

Internet telephony beats conventional again because of simplicity. If a conventional phone call costs you 100 Rupees, less than 1 Rupee is the actual cost of carrying the call.The cost of calculating how long you spoke, from which to which number, at what time, on what plan, then sending you the bill, fighting with you over the amount, sending goons to collect... is of course at least an order of magnitude greater. And then, certainly not least, is the cost of a Shahrukh Khan or equivalent to help sell it to you.

Any violation of net neutrality adds to complexity. Once you let the marketing guys call the shots, the complexity only grows. Any change you implement involves changing the software, which becomes bloated and buggy. This is why I believe that strict net neutrality will win.

Arun Mehta
_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
Arun Mehta | 18 May 17:33 2015
Picon

the sins of moderators

Sarbajit is not on india-gii. His message got copied to india-gii inadvertently, and if it was one of us moderators, we are sorry yet again. In any case, guys, me included PLEASE DO NOT FORWARD MAIL FROM SARBAJIT TO INDIA-GII !!! BAD IDEA!!!

It has been decided, that Sarbajit no longer is allowed to post directly to india-gii. He must route it through one of the moderators. Sarbajit, hope this has better success at getting through to you, than the phone system. I would happily have given you a chance to defend yourself before censuring you.

People must wonder why I went to such lengths to defend Sarbajit. 

Our first attempt at organizing online was the Forum for Rights to Electronic Expression, which was killed in the mid 90s when two BBS sysops, one of whom sadly is dead, attempted to "take charge". But that brief admittance into free speech fresh air was heady indeed.

I was a member of Amnesty International from 1976 to 1991, the last four years as president of its Indian section. Friends of mine had been tortured for exercising free speech. 

When I set up india-gii, free speech was a given. I chose the host with  care. First cpsr.org, then when they died on us, Suresh kindly offered to help. I am delighted, that even after treatment of him that many consider unfair, his support as our host has been beyond reproach. 

Rarely in an argument any more, do I get to say that my free speech is being violated. The problem is, when you say it softly, like I just did, that statement is easy to ignore. Do so at your peril.

When it comes to my free speech, you do not get a vote.

See, I like having Sarbajit on india-gii. 

Imagine we were to throw out all those from india-gii who never posted, for they contribute nothing. From three hundred something we would be down to a dozen or two, I am afraid.

Now, suppose we were to also throw out the views of those who work for multinational companies or the government, for surely someone is looking over their shoulder.

Lets also discard as possibly colored the views of those NGOs, who by their travails of first getting foriegn funding and then Indian government permission to get foreign funds, have learnt to say less rather than more. Oops, Bapsi could be one of them.

Let us devalue those who never start a discussion.

By now, if you get my drift, we are left with one guy. Once, I used to be that guy.

In information theory, they talk about how a black crow provides almost no information of value as compared to a white crow. Sarbajit is that white crow. Would be great if he learnt to follow rules. I believe he can be taught. We need someone to raise the issues he does and nobody else seems to be doing so, that's the bottom line.

If you are still reading, thank you for not having given up on this list. Your job is to please post useful content to this list, and ( my hidden agenda ) to help train list members, by pointing out inaccuracies and breaches of list rules, and us moderators too.

But for now, could everyone please think about content? Post something other than advice?

Arun Mehta
_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
Mahesh Murthy | 18 May 16:11 2015
Picon

Re: Resignation of Suresh Ramasubramanian and Udhay Shankar from the india-gii moderator role

So here it is.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Sarbajit Roy <mail.sarbajitroy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
 I sincerely believe that the 1 million, alleged,
Indian netizens who were conned into SPAMMING Trai with Mahesh and
Pranesh's cyclostyled garbage on net neutrality, deserve to be
informed that they did so as the result of a cynical long range
campaign, partially financed by the overseas online gaming, gambling
and porn industries.

Apparently, according to Sarabjit, my work and that of Nikhil is "financed by the gambling and porn industries".

Yes, Sarabjit, and you're an asshole.

Let the ad hominem begin.


 

_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii
ken | 18 May 15:05 2015
Picon

Re: Resignation of Suresh Ramasubramanian and Udhay Shankar from the india-gii moderator role

Vickram, (et al)

Where we differ on this issue is on what makes for good discussion.

This incident crossed the line on two very different fronts. Again, from my perspective, taking a list discussion to a member's phone (without prior agreement) is an offense so egregious that it needs not to be delineated.

But more to the point, hurling accusations of corruption, based on nothing more than supposition, is a tactic which should never be tolerated in polite company such as I am pleased to keep on this list.

I would ask that we never lower ourselves to the standard where all comers are welcome regardless of the level of discussion they bring. Otherwise we risk becoming a dialog where the standard of entry becomes (with the necessary apologies to Groucho Marx) I refuse to join any list that would have me as a member.

Cheerfully,

Ken DiPietro
Cumberland MD

On 05/18/2015 08:45 AM, Vickram Crishna wrote:

Ken, and everyone

I am perfectly happy to share these duties once again with Suresh and Udhay (in alphabetical order) if they so wish. Good eggs.
However, I also wish that Sarbajit would exercise more than a little moderation in his remarks, notwithstanding the truth that evidence-based reports might indeed emerge into the public eye through this interaction. I haven't seen it in this case. It should be the basis for further discussion, if any, on that subject.
Personal apologies to the list, well, the need is seen unanimously. Either you want to be part of a community or you don't. And if the purpose is to be a voice in the wilderness, please refrain from any kinds of personal attacks. That voice is valuable, don't let it get shrill. The choice is yours. This is, after all, a written medium, and haste can shotgun where a fine needle would do.
I feel disturbed that Nikhil left the group, and felt constrained to mention you in his signing-off note. Now we all have to work to bring him back on board.
I also feel sorry that we were unable to resolve this to the satisfaction of all four moderators before it spilled out. But here we are, and here we remain, to quote Dune.

On 18 May 2015 17:39, "ken" <ken-1tT2xLNz+vXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
To all,

It would deeply sadden me to see such a valuable resource as this list devalued due to the actions of one member. No one should hold that power over us all.

After reading through this thread, it appears that the underlying issue is; were the list's fundamental rules broken and if so what actions should be taken.

The fact that our moderation team is so divided would indicate that a breech of the rules has occurred, even if the team has a difference of opinion as to how the response should be framed.

Speaking as someone who has also tested the boundaries of this list on more than one occasion, my philosophy has always been that no one has a right to be free from offense. For any moderator to attempt to keep a list to the point where no one is ever offended is asking a human being to do the impossible. Conversely, at no point should valuable, contributing members feel harassed to the point where removing themselves from the list appears to be a better option than staying.

During this last exchange, what was said on the list became somewhat heated but still tolerable, in my evaluation. However, taking this discussion to a personal level and calling a list member at home crosses the limits of list decorum, even with the question of a home office is raised.

Personally, anyone who would disrespect a person's privacy has shown a lack of judgment indicating their inability to interact on this list at the level of discourse required. When faced with a very similar situation, I resigned from a list I once moderated as well as left the organization I co-founded - so I not only understand Suresh and Udhay's decision but side with them as well. In my view, when the power of moderation is assigned to someone, any decision made in the group's best interest needs to be supported. And should an appeal on any such action be raised, it should be moved through the moderation team as a whole and not overturned without due process - otherwise a moderator has no credibility.

None of the above suggests that I will be leaving this list nor that I would join another list.

I humbly ask one of the best moderation teams I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with to find a mutually acceptable solution to this issue so that we can move forward. As a member of this list, it is understood that I hold a responsibility to introduce content for discussion as well as participate in those topics where I can provide insight. As such, going forward, I pledge to put more effort towards making this list a more active resource for us all.

Respectfully,

Ken DiPietro
Cumberland MD

_______________________________________________
India-gii mailing list
India-gii@...
https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii

Gmane