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Stephen R. Melvin | 1 Apr 2004 19:39
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Re: Design Digest, Vol 6, Issue 6

Note that in general there should also not be an assumption of one address
per
person. Business and home is common, but I find it is useful to be able to
record "parent's address" too, without having to include a spurious record
for the parents themselves who I have never met nor am I ever likely to.

Cheers,
Hamish

I'll chime in on this thread.  I agree wholeheartedly and in addition, I
find myself having to keep multiple work information for people.  As an
example, I'm a Naval Reservist.  I need to know that John Q. Seaman is both
the Manager of Parts and Supplies for ABC Corporation, and also the Leading
Petty Officer for XYZ Unit 101.

-Stephen
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Don Dwiggins | 1 Apr 2004 20:42
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Re: PIM Structure

Michael Koenecke writes:
> As y'all can probably guess, if I had my druthers, the best way to handle
> all this would be to take the InfoCentral code and go from there, since it's
> so powerful and potentially extensible as is. And it is extremely fast. But
> it's in Corel's abandoned programs heap, and they have no motivation to
> open-source it or release it.

The kind of thing that's being discussed on this thread isn't unique to
InfoCentral -- it's pretty standard Entity-Relationship-Attribute (ERA)
modeling, where InfoCentral's "connections" are relationships (and
naturally, relationships can have attributes).  I haven't looked at the
Chandler repository design for a while now, but my memory is that it can
already represent ERA structures cleanly -- no need to reverse engineer
InfoCentral.
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Don Dwiggins | 1 Apr 2004 20:51
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Re: Email Libraries in Chandler

Brian Kirsch writes:
> For those of you who do not know me, my name is Brian Kirsch the new
> "Email Guy" for Chandler.  We are currently evaluating 3rd Party email
> libraries to incorporate in to Chandler for MIME parsing, IMAP, POP, SMTP
> ...  We are looking at Twisted, Mozilla, c-client to name a few. I wanted
> to extend the opportunity for the community to offer suggestions /
> feedback on other email libraries currently available.

I think it's already been mentioned, and may already be on the Wiki, but
just in case -- check out Zoe: http://zoe.nu/ -- not so much a library as a
different take on what email processing should be.
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Richard Boardman | 2 Apr 2004 19:26
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Survey of Personal Information Management researchers and practitioners

Hi Chandler community,

I am one of the co-organizers of a special interest group on personal
information management (PIM) at this year's CHI conference in Vienna.

We have setup an online questionnaire to survey people with an interest in
things PIM about the issues they see as key to the future of this field. The
results of the survey will help us develop an initial discussion framework for
the meeting.

We'd be delighted to have the input of the Chandler community - both via the
questionnaire, and also at the meeting itself (if any of you happen to be at
CHI!).  At the meeting, we are planning to brainstorm future directions for
HCI research in this area.  Therefore, we'd be especially interested to hear
about what research would be useful for you as developers (and users).

Details on both the survey and the SIG are below.  I'd be happy to post a link
to the results of our survey, as well as a report from the SIG itself.

Cheers - and keep up the good work,

Rick
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Richard Boardman, PhD student in Human-Computer Interaction
Imperial College London - Web: http://www.iis.ee.ic.ac.uk/~rick

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Will Partain | 12 Apr 2004 11:50
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Re: Design Digest, Vol 6, Issue 6

"Stephen R. Melvin" <Rathflaed <at> hotmail.com> writes:

> ... there should also not be an assumption of one address
> per person. Business and home is common, but I find it is
> useful to be able to record "parent's address" too, ...

Yes.  A smart thing I did when I started collecting
addresses back in high school (a *long* time ago...) was to
keep a "permanent address" for people.  Some aunt whom you
could call/write 18 years later and say "I'm trying to find
my old pal Smithy" and she'd know.  Indispensable.

(The surest sign you're middle-aged is when your current and
permanent addresses become one and the same :-)

Will

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Nitin Borwankar | 13 Apr 2004 03:54

Re: Email Libraries in Chandler


Hi Brian,

You probably know this but there seems to be some "mixing of metaphors" 
in your list of email libraries.

Twisted is a platform for writing network protocols, so it is not a 
properly compared to say c-client which is a standalone library proper,
or the Python Standard Library modules  email.*,poplib,smtplib,imaplib 
etc. which are actively being improved.
Would it make sense to contribute  to  the Python Standard Library to 
improve it in case the offerings there fall short for Chandler's needs.
That would leverage the efforts for the whole Python community.

Also the bit  about Twisted may seem like splitting hairs but Twisted 
commits you to a single threaded async model at least for the protocol 
implementation.   It also has integration at the level of the message 
loop.  All this is "a good thing(tm)"  IMHO but that may not be what 
you're looking for.

You might also want to take a look at how the DivMod folks have used 
Twisted to create "client side middleware" for many popular 
communication protocols, including IM and VOIP. www.divmod.org  Look for 
Quotient.

This design metaphor of a client side middleware framework is appearing 
in more than one place.
On the server side we have had MOM ( message oriented middleware ) with 
JMS, MQSeries etc. for quite a while.
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Aubrey Alexander | 13 Apr 2004 21:04

Chandler UI?

These screenshots look pretty nice:

http://www.eventsherpa.com/img/screenshot_monthview.gif
http://www.eventsherpa.com/img/screenshot_weekview.gif

Will Chandler look sharp like this?
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David Neeley | 13 Apr 2004 23:57

Re: Chandler UI?

 Personally, I hope there is the ability to make the Chandler interface as little intrusive on the desktop as
possible while still being able to consult the view that is most useful. Generally, my screen real estate
is too precious to give over much of it to the "eye candy" that so many seem addicted to. 

David 

-----Original Message from Aubrey Alexander <aubrey <at> activestudios.com>----- 

These screenshots look pretty nice: 

http://www.eventsherpa.com/img/screenshot_monthview.gif 
http://www.eventsherpa.com/img/screenshot_weekview.gif 

Will Chandler look sharp like this? 
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Audrius Klevas | 27 Apr 2004 09:35
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external mailer

Hi,

I'm currently using x mailer.
Is it possible to use external mailer with Chandler instead of build in mailer.

- Audrius

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Hamish Harvey | 27 Apr 2004 11:59
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Re: external mailer

On Tuesday 27 April 2004 08:35, Audrius Klevas wrote:

> I'm currently using x mailer.
> Is it possible to use external mailer with Chandler instead of build in
> mailer.

I had a play with Zoe at the weekend (it was mentioned here a while ago 
http://zoe.nu/) and it supports this by acting as an SMTP server as well as a 
mail client. That's potentially powerful, since it means all outgoing email 
can be routed into the Zoe store whatever generates it.

Hamish
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