RickG | 1 Aug 2010 04:47
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

Ya, thats about right. At 300 subs, I'm seeing occasional burst of 20Mbps.

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Josh Luthman
<josh <at> imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.
>
> On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~" <ngl <at> ngl.net> wrote:
>
> How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and
> 1M up?
>
> From: ~NGL~
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers
>
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>> What ratio of bandwidth per 100 customers is being used to deliver  2M
>> down and 1M up?
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RickG | 1 Aug 2010 04:58
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

Well, I'm glad it worked out for you. Hopefully, your Son is fine as well.
Back in 2005 I had a pulmonary embolism attack. Went straight to the
hospital and ended up there for 3 days. I had no insurance and was
between jobs. Final bill was $12k. The hospital would not take one
dime off the bill claiming I owned a business (consulting). That
nearly cleaned out my savings. Sheesh!
Fast forward to more recently: I now have insurance. I've been back to
the hospital after cutting off the tip of my finger with a planar. The
hospital was forced to give the insurance and discounted "in network"
rate which was passed on to me on the final bill.
With that said, my 22 year old Son had a shotgun pellet ricochet into
his shin (dont ask). I took him to a walk-in Urgent Care, told them I
was paying cash and they did give me a cash discount.
So, I guess the results will vary depending on the provider but I'm
not seeing hospitals giving discounts and that the big one if you need
it.

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Cameron Crum <ccrum <at> wispmon.com> wrote:
> Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for
> years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside
> un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him
> and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his
> pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water
> (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or
> permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in
> the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the
> doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down
> to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I
> would have had to pay the full $5000 or $10000 deductable. So in this case
> it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the
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Marlon K. Schafer | 1 Aug 2010 05:01

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

The best thing I've heard so far is to stay at least 10' below the top of 
the tower.  Often things below that level get missed for some reason.

shrug.

Lighting is a very powerful foe.
marlon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Dueck" <mark <at> netking.bz>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless <at> wispa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
>
> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
> goes directly into the limestone.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked 
>> out.
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RickG | 1 Aug 2010 05:08
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

Same with the CPE side. Stay off the roof if at all possible!

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
<ooe <at> odessaoffice.com> wrote:
> The best thing I've heard so far is to stay at least 10' below the top of
> the tower.  Often things below that level get missed for some reason.
>
> shrug.
>
> Lighting is a very powerful foe.
> marlon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Dueck" <mark <at> netking.bz>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless <at> wispa.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>
>
>> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
>>
>> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
>> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
>> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
>> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
>> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
>> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
>> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
>> goes directly into the limestone.
>>
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Marlon K. Schafer | 1 Aug 2010 05:08

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

We just use the digital loggers units and automate the process.  They know 
when the reboot is needed due to an outage.
marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

>  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
>
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Robert West | 1 Aug 2010 05:48

Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

Yeah.  I’ve been hip to the UP factor for quite a while.  Very good reason to ground it all.  No need to promote a strike..

 

Strike?  MY FAULT!

 

Joe-

 

 

 

From: wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

 

Man, that was on a recent discovery/science channel show about lighting.  Kewl stuff.  They talked about how most of this went "up" vs "down" i.e. you see the trail starting up from a tower or tree in some cases vs how most people see it come down.    Acutally, once you get done with the video :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnIStJ7OY6w&NR=1

 

 

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From: wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

 

I’ll hang out and be in awe.  Then  again, I am lacking in brain cells.

 

Me-

 

 

 

From: wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

 

High speed cameras are definitely one of the best inventions of this century. Really cool looking but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near there, ever!

On Jul 29, 2010 12:36 AM, "Robert West" <robert.west <at> just-micro.com> wrote:




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Robert West | 1 Aug 2010 05:52

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

My thinking has been 10 meg per 100 as a baseline but it really depends on the usage in that network.  If there are heavy Netflix or any other HD video service, the demand could be double.  Monitoring is the only thing that will determine your final ratio.

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

 

Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.

On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~" <ngl <at> ngl.net> wrote:

How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and 1M up?

From: ~NGL~

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Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


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Robert West | 1 Aug 2010 06:02

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

NEVER THE TOP!

Top starts with T and that rhymes with me and I'm TROUBLE!

Trouble with a capital T.

Happens.  Sorry.  Been a long month.

Joe-

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

The best thing I've heard so far is to stay at least 10' below the top of
the tower.  Often things below that level get missed for some reason.

shrug.

Lighting is a very powerful foe.
marlon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Dueck" <mark <at> netking.bz>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless <at> wispa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
>
> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
> goes directly into the limestone.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked 
>> out.
>> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds 
>> the
>> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went 
>> away.
>> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. 
>> If
>> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
>> static.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
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>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>>
>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
>>
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Chuck Hogg | 1 Aug 2010 06:04

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

We are at about 24 customers per meg at peak.

 

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From: wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers

 

My thinking has been 10 meg per 100 as a baseline but it really depends on the usage in that network.  If there are heavy Netflix or any other HD video service, the demand could be double.  Monitoring is the only thing that will determine your final ratio.

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bounces <at> wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:11 AM
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Well we do 2x512 and 4x1 and 200 customers use roughly 15 megs.

On Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM, "~NGL~" <ngl <at> ngl.net> wrote:

How much bandwidth do you purchase per 100 customers to deliver  2M down and 1M up?

From: ~NGL~

Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:37 AM

Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers


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Jeremie Chism | 1 Aug 2010 06:10
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

Got an apc unit that goes after the Poe, but what you are talking
about might be better. Could save the power supply atleast. Not sure
it would have completely stopped it because they lost all their
computers, phone system, and other networking gear.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:38 PM, "Marlon K. Schafer" <ooe <at> odessaoffice.com> wrote:

> 2 out of how many?
>
> We had a NASTY storm last night.  Lost 1 nic card out of hundreds and
> hundreds of them.
>
> We used to loose modems from time to time too.
>
> In my mind, you're just going to loose some once in a while during storms.
> Part of the cost of doing business, just like flat tires out on the farm.
>
> Having said that, I wish more POE units had built in lightning protection.
>
> Polyphaser makes a nice ethernet protector that WILL work with POE
> applications.  Roughly $100 if memory serves me right.
>
> I know, not much help.
> marlon
>
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> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
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>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
>>
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