true uncapped DSL providers

Is there anyone who provides a 4MB, true uncapped (possibly unshaped) DSL
service which does not require:

 - signing a fixed length contract
 - debit orders
 - use of ISP managed equipment

Surely it should be possible to get an unrestricted DSL service, invoiced
and paid on receipt monthly (or alternatively prepaid monthly) for use on a
month to month basis?

>From a user perspective I want something that allows me to use my own
equipment, has no time/usage restrictions, and allows me to change providers
at a moment's notice if service/support levels become problematic.

If I need to move a large volume of data from point A to point B on a daily
basis, should I get myself a 'Winston' carrier-grade pigeon or hire someone
to sit in traffic 4 hours a day who will swop out a hard drive?

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Re: true uncapped DSL providers

Hi Bretton,

Bretton Vine wrote:
> If I need to move a large volume of data from point A to point B on a daily
> basis, should I get myself a 'Winston' carrier-grade pigeon or hire someone
> to sit in traffic 4 hours a day who will swop out a hard drive?
>
>   
Even Winston needs someone to drive him from home back to the point of 
release ...

You'd be better off with the semi-literate technical type capable of 
plugging in a (USB, preferably) hard drive, with a driving license and a 
motorbike or scooter. Have two drives, and you can swap them every day.

Monthly cost: About the same as a 4 Mbps "Business ADSL" type service - 
but you could transport 1 TB or more a day 

BTW: What's your problem with debit orders? Speaking as an ISP / 
business owner, the guys who won't sign a debit order are usually (not 
always, but often), the same guys who don't pay at the end of the month ...

William.

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Re: true uncapped DSL providers

On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 13:22 +0200, Bretton Vine wrote:
<SNIP>
>  - debit orders
<SNIP>

The best you're going to do is the IS resold uncapped with a rolling
restriction on data if you go over a limit.

But that is a one month cancellation.
and not without a debit order.

And they recently upped the price to pay for the seacom bandwidth....

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Re: true uncapped DSL providers

William Stucke wrote:
> BTW: What's your problem with debit orders? Speaking as an ISP / 
> business owner, the guys who won't sign a debit order are usually (not 
> always, but often), the same guys who don't pay at the end of the month ...

I'm averse to debit orders. I'm perfectly capable of paying my own bills on
time on a day that suits me (which may vary from month to month).

Should I decide to move to a different service the entity may continue
billing me for some months thereafter even though I'm not getting a service
from them. (a common consumer complaint, be it Telkom or a large/small ISP)

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Re: true uncapped DSL providers

Calvin Browne wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 13:22 +0200, Bretton Vine wrote:
> <SNIP>
>   
>
> The best you're going to do is the IS resold uncapped with a rolling
>
>   
<snip>
> And they recently upped the price to pay for the seacom bandwidth....
>
>   
Upped the price to  pay for Seacom!!!    How is that going to reduce the 
cost of bandwidth????

Maybe its true the more you use the more you pay.

I must have missed something when I studied economics half a century ago. 

Henry

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Re: true uncapped DSL providers

Bretton Vine wrote:
> William Stucke wrote:
>> BTW: What's your problem with debit orders? Speaking as an ISP / 
>> business owner, the guys who won't sign a debit order are usually (not 
>> always, but often), the same guys who don't pay at the end of the month ...
> 
> I'm averse to debit orders. I'm perfectly capable of paying my own bills on
> time on a day that suits me (which may vary from month to month).
> 
> Should I decide to move to a different service the entity may continue
> billing me for some months thereafter even though I'm not getting a service
> from them. (a common consumer complaint, be it Telkom or a large/small ISP)

I too would trade responsibility for control when it comes to paying bills.

Also, some large companies simply don't do debit orders.

Receive invoice, pay invoice by cheque or EFT.

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Re: true uncapped DSL providers

Simeon Miteff wrote:
> Bretton Vine wrote:
>   
>> William Stucke wrote:
>>     
>>> BTW: What's your problem with debit orders? Speaking as an ISP / 
>>> business owner, the guys who won't sign a debit order are usually (not 
>>> always, but often), the same guys who don't pay at the end of the month ...
>>>       
>> I'm averse to debit orders. I'm perfectly capable of paying my own bills on
>> time on a day that suits me (which may vary from month to month).
>>
>> Should I decide to move to a different service the entity may continue
>> billing me for some months thereafter even though I'm not getting a service
>> from them. (a common consumer complaint, be it Telkom or a large/small ISP)
>>     
>
> I too would trade responsibility for control when it comes to paying bills.
>
> Also, some large companies simply don't do debit orders.
>
> Receive invoice, pay invoice by cheque or EFT.
>   

Indeed. Signing debit orders effectively puts control of your cash flow 
in the hands of your bank and creditors.

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Re: true uncapped DSL providers

On Tuesday 06 October 2009 13:22:27 Bretton Vine wrote:
> Is there anyone who provides a 4MB, true uncapped (possibly unshaped) DSL
> service which does not require:
>
>  - signing a fixed length contract
>  - debit orders
>  - use of ISP managed equipment

Not quite, but close.
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/ADSL/9873.html
http://openweb.co.za/allhours_uncapped.php

Michael

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Re: true uncapped DSL providers

On 6 Oct 2009, at 15:11, Brian Bakker wrote:

> Simeon Miteff wrote:
>> Bretton Vine wrote:
>>
>>> William Stucke wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW: What's your problem with debit orders? Speaking as an ISP /
>>>> business owner, the guys who won't sign a debit order are usually  
>>>> (not
>>>> always, but often), the same guys who don't pay at the end of the  
>>>> month ...
>>>>
>>> I'm averse to debit orders. I'm perfectly capable of paying my own  
>>> bills on
>>> time on a day that suits me (which may vary from month to month).
>>>
>>> Should I decide to move to a different service the entity may  
>>> continue
>>> billing me for some months thereafter even though I'm not getting  
>>> a service
>>> from them. (a common consumer complaint, be it Telkom or a large/ 
>>> small ISP)
>>>
>>
>> I too would trade responsibility for control when it comes to  
>> paying bills.
>>
>> Also, some large companies simply don't do debit orders.
>>

Re: true uncapped DSL providers

> William Stucke wrote:
>> BTW: What's your problem with debit orders? Speaking as an ISP /
>> business owner, the guys who won't sign a debit order are usually (not
>> always, but often), the same guys who don't pay at the end of the month 
>> ...
>
> I'm averse to debit orders. I'm perfectly capable of paying my own bills 
> on
> time on a day that suits me (which may vary from month to month).
>
> Should I decide to move to a different service the entity may continue
> billing me for some months thereafter even though I'm not getting a 
> service
> from them. (a common consumer complaint, be it Telkom or a large/small 
> ISP)

I generally won't provide service to clients unless they sign a debit order. 
Some exceptions apply, notably where spend exceeds R20,000 per month.

The problem is that the banks still do not provide an adequate, secure and 
reliable means for providing deposit information in electronic form and it 
is entirely impractical to process hundreds to tens of thousands of client 
payments by hand, particularly when the bulk of those will be on or just 
before the due date and your systems need to disconnect non-payers 24 hours 
later.

In fact, this issue still plagues me with potential clients who're prepared 
to pre-pay for services. So the credit risk is mostly averted, but from a 
practical point of view, administration of EFTs becomes a 24/7/365 task.