Abraham van der Merwe | 1 Feb 09:34 2006
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cellphone spam

Hi!

Has anyone delt with cellphone spam before? I'm getting these really
annoying IVR "you've been pre-approved for credit" phone calls from a
company.

After a long struggle I've now gotten my name off their database (and enough
details of the company to follow up on this), but they are being very vague
about where they got my number from (even though I sort of gathered from the
info they gave me that they got this from Vodacom).

Is there any way to take action against this company and/or the company that
supplied them with the database?

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Ivo Vegter | 1 Feb 11:02 2006
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Re: cellphone spam

Abraham van der Merwe wrote:

> Has anyone delt with cellphone spam before? I'm getting these really
> annoying IVR "you've been pre-approved for credit" phone calls from a
> company.
> 
> After a long struggle I've now gotten my name off their database (and enough
> details of the company to follow up on this), but they are being very vague
> about where they got my number from (even though I sort of gathered from the
> info they gave me that they got this from Vodacom).
> 
> Is there any way to take action against this company and/or the company that
> supplied them with the database?

www.smscode.co.za is your best bet. Legal action under the ECT Act is 
possible, but not particularly productive. I doubt you have an action 
against the company that supplied them with the database. Only against 
the spammer, if they spam you again after your formal notice. The 
spammer is, however, required by the ECT Act to provide you upon request 
with full particulars of where they got your details.

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Ernest, B.M (AfriNIC - ZA | 1 Feb 11:51 2006
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Re: cellphone spam

hi Abraham,

> Has anyone delt with cellphone spam before? I'm getting these really
> annoying IVR "you've been pre-approved for credit" phone calls from a
> company.
> 
> After a long struggle I've now gotten my name off their database (and enough
> details of the company to follow up on this), but they are being very vague
> about where they got my number from (even though I sort of gathered from the
> info they gave me that they got this from Vodacom).
> 
> Is there any way to take action against this company and/or the company that
> supplied them with the database?

on the vodacom line application forms, i recall seeing something like:

  " Tick the box below you would not like to be added to the telephone
    directory..."

Did you perhaps see this :-) ?

rgds
ernest
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Colin Alston | 1 Feb 12:29 2006
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Re: cellphone spam

Ivo Vegter wrote:
> www.smscode.co.za is your best bet. 

Best bet at wasting your time that is. I've never recieved a response 
from them.

After being harassed by such SMS's and phone calls, I was eventualy 
called by Vodacom themselves to offer me something. After yelling at 
the person who phoned me (and they really didn't deserve it) and 
demanding where they got my details (The response being "But.. sir.. 
You're a Vodacom subscriber") and yelling some more they offered to 
remove me from their "database" (This was not the first time I'd 
asked) I stopped receiving these phone calls.

One claimed company was "Glo-cell", the existence of which I can't 
confirm, nor could (or would?) Vodacom.

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Ant Brooks | 1 Feb 14:09 2006
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Re: cellphone spam

Colin Alston wrote:
> Ivo Vegter wrote:
> 
>> www.smscode.co.za is your best bet. 
> 
> 
> Best bet at wasting your time that is. I've never recieved a response 
> from them.

Hi all,

The SMS Code site was discontinued in December. The site now redirects
to the complaints form of the Wireless Application Service Providers'
Association (WASPA). As the person currently overseeing the WASPA
complaints process, I can assure you that every single complaint lodged
with WASPA gets acknowledged (usually with 48 hours) and investigated.

The WASPA Code of Conduct has some fairly strict anti-spam clauses in
it, and any members of WASPA engaging in spamming activities are dealt
with seriously. However, WASPA's jurisdiction is rather limited. The
WASPA Code applies only to companies that are members of WASPA.

Unfortunately, only a small minority of SMS spam originates from the
networks of bulk SMS providers (most of whom are WASPA members). By far
the majority (perhaps 90%) originates from companies and individuals
who have some sort of modem or PC connected to a cell phone and who are
sending out the spam directly. There is, frankly, very little recourse
for consumers faced with spam from those sources, other than complaining
directly to the mobile networks themselves.

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Barry Gill | 1 Feb 14:59 2006
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Re: cellphone spam

I have purchased mail addie databases before and used them (from the
likes of Braby's, Matrix etc)
In each circumstance I have been instructed by the provider to make sure
that if anyone asks I tell them who I got their detail from.
Their view is this increases their visibility, marketability and also
makes sure that their DB's remain clean at all times.

If anyone asks me where I got their details from, I am very happy to
respond.

Now, with that in mind, if I ask someone where they got my details from
and they are vague, I immediately assume that the source is not as
trustworthy and I take action.

At least if you know who is propogating your details, you can stop it at
source.
If you don't, it won't stop.

So, if people are vaue and don't answer, and the marketers I work with
insist on transparency, it is because the various memebers of staff have
not been made aware, or is it because they really shouldn't have your
address?
andre | 2 Feb 09:38 2006
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looking for ISP

Hi Everyone,

We are looking for ISP's that wish to sell bandwidth, 
supply servers and do some marketing by hosting a service 
to the public at large. (We supply tools, support and turnkey 
maintenance)

I remember that there was an isp map somewhere
on the internet (i saw the link on this list a year or two?
ago) can someone please send me the link again

Thanks in advance!

;)

andre

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Jared Cassidy | 2 Feb 10:20 2006

Re: looking for ISP

Hi Andre

Please see http://www.ispmap.org.za

Kindest Regards
Jared Cassidy

On 2/2/06, andre-IFDzyT4WSPI@public.gmane.org <andre-IFDzyT4WSPI@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

We are looking for ISP's that wish to sell bandwidth,
supply servers and do some marketing by hosting a service
to the public at large. (We supply tools, support and turnkey
maintenance)

I remember that there was an isp map somewhere
on the internet (i saw the link on this list a year or two?
ago) can someone please send me the link again

Thanks in advance!

;)

andre

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Charles Leaver | 2 Feb 10:26 2006
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Re: looking for ISP

andre@... wrote:
> I remember that there was an isp map somewhere
> on the internet (i saw the link on this list a year or two?
> ago) can someone please send me the link again

http://www.ispmap.org.za/
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Matthew Tagg | 3 Feb 15:51 2006
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Loadbalancing

Anyone know who supplies local hardware loadbalancers with built in 
heartbeat monitoring for WWW and SMTP?

Thanks

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