Chris Spencer | 4 Feb 2003 17:13
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[OS:N:] Just a note on open office in high schools.

You might all appreciate the note I sent to a list of tech people from
most of the high schools in south/central IL.

Feel free to use any part of it.  If you want to use it in your
situation.

It's in response to a specific argument that in K-12 the charge of the
school is to prepare students to go into the work world.

Specificly "It is the responsibility of our schools (and therefore our
responsibility) to give our children the skills they need to live in the
"real" world.  In a small part, that includes training them to use the
technology that is being used in the "real" world."

Here was my response:

Each of the people on this list is in a unique position of being able to
influence the technology that will be used tomorrow as a standard.  This
is your right and your obligation.  

In this case I am suggesting that you are teaching the wrong standard
for the future.  Open Office is a better solution because of cost, open
standards (documents can be freely interchanged with other applications
from different vendors), and cross platform compatibility (Open Office
works on any of the major platforms including Windows, Linux, and Mac
OSX).  

Now you can justify what you are doing by teaching MS office.  You can
say to yourself "I am teaching the industry standard", "I am teaching
the product with the best features", or "It's not my fault they are
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caroni caroni | 4 Feb 2003 19:56
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[OS:N:] HELP RED HAT 8


i have an athlon xp 1700+, board sis 630, 512 Mb RAM 40 gb hard disk

Win XP its already installed on NTFs Partition, i have data in a FAT 32 
Partition

at the time to install R.H. everything is o.k., except that LILO/GRUB 
doesn´t start
but Win XP start, if i change th LILO/GRUB installation to the first 
partition enable
the system "recognizes" a boot system, but doesn´t nothing to do, it means, 
i are without XP and Without R.H., but i can use the boot diskett to start 
R.H.

i´ve installed Boot Magic 8, the program recognizes th R.H. but doesn´t 
start it

aditionally, how can i view all the parttions of my hard disk and go in ?

some one can help me ?

thanks.

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jkinz | 4 Feb 2003 20:23
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Re: [OS:N:] HELP RED HAT 8

Hi caroni - this is the wrong list for this questions.

Go and subscribe to this list:
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list

And you will get Tons of Excellent help.

On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 06:56:44PM +0000, caroni caroni wrote:
> i have an athlon xp 1700+, board sis 630, 512 Mb RAM 40 gb hard disk
> 
> Win XP its already installed on NTFs Partition, i have data in a FAT 32 
> Partition
> 
> at the time to install R.H. everything is o.k., except that LILO/GRUB 
> doesn´t start
> but Win XP start, if i change th LILO/GRUB installation to the first 
> partition enable
> the system "recognizes" a boot system, but doesn´t nothing to do, it means, 
> i are without XP and Without R.H., but i can use the boot diskett to start 
> R.H.
> 
> i´ve installed Boot Magic 8, the program recognizes th R.H. but doesn´t 
> start it
> 
> aditionally, how can i view all the parttions of my hard disk and go in ?
> 
> some one can help me ?
> 
> thanks.

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anthony baldwin | 4 Feb 2003 22:49

[OS:N:] re: Just a note on open office in high schools. (Chris Spencer)

That was pretty cool.

tony

http://www.School-Library.net
Freedom to Learn!

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mike | 4 Feb 2003 17:11

Re: [OS:N:] re: Just a note on open office in high schools. (Chris Spencer)


anthony baldwin wrote:
> That was pretty cool.
> 
> tony
> 
> http://www.School-Library.net

Is it just my browser or is this one of the ugliest sites I have ever seen?

> Freedom to Learn!
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Bob Houghton | 5 Feb 2003 03:17

[OS:N:] Just a note on open office in high schools-response

Chris,
I admire your enthusiasm. Take it easy with people's feelings. You
damage the cause with your method. To call anyone a fool is not asking
for rational thought, but for argument for the sake of argument, for a
vigorous defense of the status quo, instead of a thoughtful
reconsideration of the facts and changed point of view. It is OK to
attack an idea with supportive facts of your position, though
respectfulness and civility in this regard do improve the possibility
that someone will really listen with an open-mind. Never attack the
person unless you enjoy spinning your wheels in flame wars. 

I would suggest that you send a second email in which you apologize for
being overzealous. You will gain some measure of respect from that. If
you are feeling emotionally charged, don't use email. Call the person
who irritates you so and vent there. From their tone of voice you can
tell whether you are way off base or not. In the future please ask
someone that you respect for being politically savvy to give you some
feedback on emotionally charged email before you launch it into
cyberspace.

Cheers!
Bob Houghton

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anthony baldwin | 6 Feb 2003 01:30

[OS:N:] Re: Is it just my browser

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:11:56 -0600
From: mike <mike <at> linuxlink.com>
To: open-source-now-list <at> redhat.com
Subject: Re: [OS:N:] re: Just a note on open office in high schools. (Chris
 Spencer)
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>> tony
>> 
>> http://www.School-Library.net
>
>Is it just my browser or is this one of the ugliest sites I have ever seen?
>
>

Well, that's pretty rude...Especially considering the prominent
links and search box that I have given your site (linuxlinks.com).
I built it my site in a manner that is aesthetically pleasing to
me.  I find staring at a white screen gives me headaches.  
If you have constructive criticism, why don't you give it off list.

tony

>> Freedom to Learn!
>> 
>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
>> GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++
>> PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y?
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Access Systems | 6 Feb 2003 01:48

Re: [OS:N:] Re: Is it just my browser

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, anthony baldwin wrote:

> Message: 4
> Subject: Re: [OS:N:] re: Just a note on open office in high schools. (Chris
>  Spencer)
> Reply-To: open-source-now-list <at> redhat.com
> >> tony
> >> http://www.School-Library.net
> >
> >Is it just my browser or is this one of
> 
> Well, that's pretty rude...Especially considering the prominent

however (constructive comment) the site does not comply with the W3C WAI
for universal access.   The site is therefore totally unusable by anyone
not using certain browsers.  such as text browsers used by many people
with disabilities.   It is very hard to use a site that is mostly

[button][button][button][button]
[button][button][button][button]
[button][button][button][button]
[button][button][button][button]
[button][button][button]

(Exactly what the site looks like in Lynx running on Linux)
BTW none of the buttons will work or link to anything

try  www.w3c.org/WAI

Bob
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anthony baldwin | 6 Feb 2003 06:02

[OS:N:] ugly

Hi,
Due to visitor feedback (privately and on this and other lists), School-Library.net has a whole new look
and feel.
Surf by and let me know what you think, please!
I sincerely and respectfully seek  your feedback.
Sorry about the crosspost. (Smack me later)

tony

http://www.School-Library.net
Freedom to Learn!

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GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++
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chris | 4 Feb 2003 20:21
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Re: [OS:N:] ugly

Tony,

Not to beat up on you...the problem I would suggest is in part clutter.

I would suggest that you look at it from the perspective of what you
would most like people to see on your site.

It that's the software, lessons, forums, contact, class, and
stacks...then show just that.

The buttons are great in limited quantity and size.  

Consider this....is the weather channel important in any way to what the
site is about?  Do that for each item.

If it's not important...create a page for it elsewhere and just link
it.  If it is then keep it.  

It's your site.  Do what makes you happy.

-Chris

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:02, anthony baldwin wrote:
> Hi,
> Due to visitor feedback (privately and on this and other lists), School-Library.net has a whole new look
and feel.
> Surf by and let me know what you think, please!
> I sincerely and respectfully seek  your feedback.
> Sorry about the crosspost. (Smack me later)
> 
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