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John Bywater | 3 Mar 13:12
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Re: Aggregating activity on different OKFN activities in one convenient place

Rufus Pollock wrote:
> At the last irc meeting [1] we discussed the question of how to 
> aggregate information about activity across the various OKFN projects so 
> that it is easier to find out what is happening where [2]. I've now had 
> a chance to have a quick play around with planetplanet to produce:
>
>    http://activity.okfn.org/
>
> We still need to add in more feeds and it would be nice to prettify the 
> basic planet.css into something nicer and more like our usual theme -- 
> any assistance with this would be much appreciated! (All material for 
> the aggregator is in the okfn svn repo [3]).
>   

Can we add the Microfacts Timeline feed? :-)

(Do I already have the password for this??)

J.

> ~rufus
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Rufus Pollock | 3 Mar 17:09
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Re: Proposed project on Milton

Dear Iain,

It is really wonderful to hear from you. This sounds like a wonderful 
idea and your more general suggestion regarding tracking ideas and 
changes is also spot on. Its also great to hear from you as there is so 
much in common, in terms of tools approaches etc, between this and Open 
Shakespeare (even stupid stuff like the script to strip the PG headers 
and footers off their texts) that it seems a perfect opportunity to 
collaborate -- it would also prompt us to get around to updating Open 
Shakespeare (there are several things which have been 
'waiting-to-be-done' over the last 6 months or so). Anyway, look forward 
to chatting more and I've put a few inlined comments below.

~rufus

Iain Emsley wrote:
> Apologies for the slightly random email whilst I was trying to  
> unsubscribe my Yahoo account.
> 
> I'd like to propose a project using similar tools to the Open  
> Shakespeare project but on Milton (as it is his 400th borthday on  
> December 9th).

Sounds fantastic.

> I've been experimenting with building a concordance which I hope to  
> put onto my development site fairly soon (it's very rough and ready  
> Perl and needs some glamourising). I'm also looking at creating notes,  

Any way to persuade you to leave those Perl ways behind and switch to
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Rufus Pollock | 3 Mar 17:12
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Re: Aggregating activity on different OKFN activities in one convenient place

John Bywater wrote:
> Rufus Pollock wrote:
>> At the last irc meeting [1] we discussed the question of how to 
>> aggregate information about activity across the various OKFN projects 
>> so that it is easier to find out what is happening where [2]. I've now 
>> had a chance to have a quick play around with planetplanet to produce:
>>
>>    http://activity.okfn.org/
>>
>> We still need to add in more feeds and it would be nice to prettify 
>> the basic planet.css into something nicer and more like our usual 
>> theme -- any assistance with this would be much appreciated! (All 
>> material for the aggregator is in the okfn svn repo [3]).
>>   
> 
> Can we add the Microfacts Timeline feed? :-)

Agreed. There's also:

   * CKAN (once we the atom feed working for revisions)
   * The wiki
   * The main okfn repo
   * Probably more I haven't thought of yet.

> (Do I already have the password for this??)

No, I don't think so. the okfn svn repo is not run from knowledgeforge 
(though it probably should be ...). I'll mail you off-list or okfn-help 
about this.
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Rufus Pollock | 5 Mar 14:40
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Reminder (TODAY): March 2008 monthly irc meeting: Wednesday 5th March 2008 at 1900 GMT

The monthly irc meeting will take place TODAY at 1900 GMT. Current 
agenda is at:

   <http://okfn.org/wiki/meetings/2008-03>

Look forward to seeing people this evening.

~rufus

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: March 2008 monthly irc meeting: Wednesday 5th March 2008 at 
1900 GMT
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:06:33 +0000
From: Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock@...>
To: okfn-discuss <okfn-discuss@...>

I propose holding our next monthly irc meeting next Wednesday (5th
March) at 1900 GMT. Main item to discuss is final planning for OKCON
2008 but there are also several other points worthy of discussion.

If this date/time is inconvenient for anyone please speak up and we'll
try to rearrange. Details and agenda can be found at:

   <http://okfn.org/wiki/meetings/2008-03>

I've also included the current version below for convenience. Please add
to it/amend it as necessary.

Regards,
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Francis Irving | 6 Mar 00:21
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License for GroupsNearYou

What license should we be licensing the data on GroupsNearYou under?

http://www.groupsnearyou.com/api

What licenses for basically pure data, with a tiny bit of copyright in
the descriptions, are suitable these days?

Francis
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Philippe Aigrain | 6 Mar 08:10
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Re: License for GroupsNearYou

For pure data, the term license (in the sense of using a right to restrict 
usage - IP title for instance - to create a commons) is not adapted. In 
Europe, the Database protection directive has created proprietary rights on 
collection of data that do not meet the standard for copyright, and some have 
suggested to use them for open licenses, but I think it is a very bad idea to 
legitimate these absurd restrictive rights.

This was one of the reasons that led me to work on a direct positive 
recognition of protected commons where instead of using licenses, people 
could say "I donate this to the commons", and possibly attach a number of 
conditions provided they do not defeat the very idea of a universal commons. 
Obtaining this recognition in international norm setting arenas is a long 
process. So meanwhile one has to look for guidelines or ofther contractual 
arrangements rather than licenses.

Look at Science Commons (www.sciencecommons.org) for some of these  : 
scientific communities often have similar problems to yours : they produce 
pure data, generally attached with metadata, and often associated with some 
sensitive usage (for instance for personal biological data). In particular, 
you may find some inspiration in the HapMap directives :
The Responsible Use and Publication of HapMap Data
http://www.hapmap.org/guidelines_hapmap_data.html.en

Best,

Philippe Aigrain

Le Thursday 06 March 2008 00:21:29 Francis Irving, vous avez écrit :
> What license should we be licensing the data on GroupsNearYou under?
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Jonathan Gray | 6 Mar 12:11

[Fwd: Free Knowledge book - call for participation]

Hi all,

Daryl Hepting of the University of Regina has asked me to forward this 
call for submissions for a 'Free Knowledge' book.

Shall we submit something? If so, on what kind of topic?

Jonathan

-------- Original Message --------

Hello;

I am putting together a book based on "Free Knowledge" event
held at the University of Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada in
November, 2005.  Although the book will certainly have a
Saskatchewan flavour, I am also seeking contributions from
outside of Saskatchewan.

I would also be very grateful if you would consider forwarding this
call to those who you think might be interested in participating.

I also have a blog about this project at:

	http://knowledgecommons.blogspot.com

All the best,
Daryl Hepting
--
> Spread the Word: Essays Wanted
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Rufus Pollock | 6 Mar 13:41
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Re: License for GroupsNearYou

Francis Irving wrote:
> What license should we be licensing the data on GroupsNearYou under?
> 
> http://www.groupsnearyou.com/api

Looks nice by the way ... :)

> What licenses for basically pure data, with a tiny bit of copyright in
> the descriptions, are suitable these days?

See the licenses listed on:

   <http://opendefinition.org/licenses/>

Most of them have a 'Domain of Application' attribute which states what 
area to use them in. Given that what you basically want is an 
attribution license you could use CC-By with a mod or try the MIT db 
license or use Jordan Hatcher's Open Database License (though this is 
still in alpha/beta).

If you need more detail on the whole data question is of course:

   <http://www.okfn.org/wiki/OpenDataLicensing>

~rufus
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Jordan Hatcher's lists | 7 Mar 12:26

Re: License for GroupsNearYou


On 6 Mar 2008, at 07:10, Philippe Aigrain wrote:

> For pure data, the term license (in the sense of using a right to  
> restrict
> usage - IP title for instance - to create a commons) is not adapted.

I'm assuming you mean factual information when you say "pure data".   
I agree that if there is no underlying property right, then it would  
not be accurate to call this a licence. However, for a database,  
there can very likely be copyright in some aspect of it, and so  
saying "licence" is accurate. This can be true even if it is a  
database of wholly factual information not protected by copyright in  
the particular legal system, as their could be copyright over  
different aspects of the database.

> In
> Europe, the Database protection directive has created proprietary  
> rights on
> collection of data that do not meet the standard for copyright, and  
> some have
> suggested to use them for open licenses, but I think it is a very  
> bad idea to
> legitimate these absurd restrictive rights.

I don't think that there is a problem with using database rights in  
the EU for open licences -- if you don't address them then people  
don't have permission to use the data/database and so that defeats  
the purpose of having an open licence.  You can address them but  
waive or fully license them, or you can use them as a part of the
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Philippe Aigrain | 7 Mar 14:50
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Re: License for GroupsNearYou

Le vendredi 7 mars 2008, Jordan Hatcher's lists a écrit :
> On 6 Mar 2008, at 07:10, Philippe Aigrain wrote:
> > For pure data, the term license (in the sense of using a right to
> > restrict
> > usage - IP title for instance - to create a commons) is not adapted.
>
> I'm assuming you mean factual information when you say "pure data".
> I agree that if there is no underlying property right, then it would
> not be accurate to call this a licence. However, for a database,
> there can very likely be copyright in some aspect of it, and so
> saying "licence" is accurate. This can be true even if it is a
> database of wholly factual information not protected by copyright in
> the particular legal system, as their could be copyright over
> different aspects of the database.
OK, but one should be cautious not to create a spillover of rights from one 
(the copyrighted aspects) on the other (the pure data).

[...]
> I don't think that there is a problem with using database rights in
> the EU for open licences -- if you don't address them then people
> don't have permission to use the data/database and so that defeats
> the purpose of having an open licence.  You can address them but
> waive or fully license them, or you can use them as a part of the
> approach for the license to the problem by using them to restrict (BY-
> SA for example) what happens with data apart from the database.
>
> FYI, database rights and database copyright are not mutually
> exclusive, and it is not merely collections of data that get the
> rights -- there has to be a database.
I understand your point and it is legally sound. Hovever, I am at the same
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