befletch | 3 Oct 18:22 2014
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Mailing list shutdown, this Sunday (Was: Re: Migration to VHS Talk, second notice)

I was asked to make the title a bit more explicit. Hopefully this serves.

Most services have been migrated off of Robin's server, or are in some advanced state of taking flight. So the plan is to shut off the server this Sunday evening, 2014-10-05.

Hopefully people will be settled into the various replacement services by then, although I'm sure there'll still be some moving dust.

Thanks,
- Bruce


On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:10 AM, <befletch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
(This message also posted on VHS Talk)

Dear hackers, makers, crafters, builders, and awesome people,

We are DEACTIVATING THIS MAILING LIST and moving to VHS Talk, an email-friendly forum located at https://talk.hackspace.ca/ . If you want to keep getting messages from Vancouver Hack Space, you will need to SIGN YOURSELF UP for VHS Talk. The current mailing list will stop working in a week or so.

To sign up for VHS Talk, visit https://talk.hackspace.ca/ and click the "Sign Up" button to create an account.

We've answered some frequently asked questions below. For more information, check out this post on VHS Talk: https://talk.hackspace.ca/t/welcome-to-talk-hackspace-ca/8


FAQ

[Q] Why are you doing this?
[A] With the growth of our community, we need to grow our tools. The mailing list was a good tool when we had a smaller, more tightly knit community. Now we have grown to the point where we need a better tool that will suit our current needs. This is VHS Talk, an installation of Discourse.

[Q] When are you going to do this?
[A] Probably in a week, perhaps as early as this weekend.

[Q] Okay, but why now?
[A] Our original mailing list has been generously hosted by robbat2, for free, for the past 5 years. He asked us to move VHS's infrastructure off of his server last year. We talked endlessly about it, but no action was taken. We're well past time to resolve this issue.

[Q] Can I use VHS Talk via email, just like I used the mailing list?
[A] Yes! You can create new topics and reply to existing topics by email. You can configure your account to receive email when new topics are posted, receive an email digest of new messages, only receive email for specific categories. There are some limitations, but for the most part you can use it just like you used the mailing list.

To receive email from VHS Talk, sign into https://talk.hackspace.ca and edit your account's email preferences.

To post a message via email, follow these instructions:

https://talk.hackspace.ca/t/posting-to-the-forums-via-email/105

[Q] Okay, I signed up. Now what?
[A] A great topic to start with is the VHS's first homework assignment:
https://talk.hackspace.ca/t/vhs-homework-assignment-1-your-first-visit-to-vhs/199

[Q] I want to make improvements to VHS Talk. Can I do that?
[A] Yes! We're hosting this software ourselves, and the source is available on Github. It is under active development by the Discourse team, so you can also see what features are planned and submit your own ideas at http://meta.discourse.org.

[Q] Is there an archive of the old mailing list?
[A] Yes: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.org.hackerspaces.vhs.general

[Q] Why not migrate the old mailing lists to the forums automatically?
[A] Unfortunately, we're pretty sure that would violate the new Canadian Anti-Spam Law (CASL). If you're interested, there's more information on CASL here: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/casl-lcap.htm
[A] We also believe that a lot of old users on the list just get the entire list delivered to their spam folder, because they were too lazy to unsubscribe properly; this provides a chance to weed out those users.

[Q] I have more questions!
[A] We will be glad to answer them on VHS Talk. We suggest that you ask them in the Space and Infrastructure catagory: https://talk.hackspace.ca/category/space-and-infrastructure



Error message to be sent when someone mails the old list.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We are going to set a message used for the mail bounce. Due to SMTP technical contraints, it can only contain a SINGLE line (no newlines or HTML), of up to 500 characters, but it's recommended that the length be <140.

The configured message so far will be: (91 chars + URL)
The VHS mailing lists have been migrated to talk.hackspace.ca. More info: {$URL goes here}



If your mail provider runs Postfix, it will look like this right now (bounce testcase at vhs-general-test-bZJqt4gKw0el07Zx6/FTQg@public.gmane.orge.ca):
<vhs-general-test-bZJqt4gKw0cRG8GVGeFnZ7Dks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org>: host
    mail2.orbis-terrarum.net[66.196.40.254] said: 550 The VHS mailing lists
    (VHS-General & VHS-Members) have been discontinued and migrated to
    http://talk.hackspace.ca as of Sept 2014. Please see this page for more
    information $URL goes here (in reply to RCPT TO command)

bobster747 | 3 Oct 06:56 2014
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Free smartphone case

Hi All,

Does anyone want this case?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/39800280 <at> N06/15402301656/

Dont know what phone it fits. Says supergets on it. But the clue is
the hole in the back.

-Bob

--

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VanHackspace (VHS) general list: vhs-general@...
http://vancouver.hackspace.ca/wp/mailing-lists/

befletch | 1 Oct 20:13 2014
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GitHub issue tracking for Discourse (Was: Migration...)

My opinion:
  • The advantage of tracking issues through VHS Talk is that anyone who runs into issues already has an account they can use to report issues.
  • The disadvantage is... it's not an issue tracker.
I say disadvantage wins. (I think the Discourse team tracking issues through meta.discourse.org is a mistake.)

I just got myself added to the VHS GitHub account. if Sean or Tim wants in too, let me know and I'll press the shiny green button to send you an invite. Then one of us just needs to figure out how to do the fork and setup the issue tracker. (I can't start figuring that stuff out now, gotta work.)

- Bruce

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Tim Webster <tdwebste-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
That is a great idea Sean, 

VHS should fork Discourse, so that we can have our own feature request / issues / bug tracking on GitHub.

meta.discourse.org is just too hard to follow feature / reguest / issues / bugs and people working on these. 



On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Sean Patrick Hagen <sean.hagen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Could VHS create a fork of Discourse, so that we can have our own feature request / issues / bug tracking on GitHub?

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VanHackspace (VHS) general list: vhs-general-bZJqt4gKw0cRG8GVGeFnZ7Dks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org
http://vancouver.hackspace.ca/wp/mailing-lists/




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Tim Webster | 1 Oct 18:09 2014
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High precision current measurements


I want to plot  1uA to 20mA current consumption at 1ms <=> 1kHz. 
I would be better if I could plot current  consumption as low as 0.1uA at 10kHz or 100kHz, 
But  1uA to 20mA at 1kHz is sufficient. 

Recommend a current sense amplifier I can attach to oscilloscope probs or where to find an oscilloscope current probe?



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Jarrett Rainier | 30 Sep 22:30 2014
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Re: Contact us - misc drone parts for sale



On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 1:28 PM, WordPress <website-contactform-W4fJYJ0jtx3Z4espiHTHT265ZtPV5qtZ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
From: Brian <rotten.brian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: misc drone parts for sale

Message Body:
Hey there.  All last year I worked on putting together a drone and while I got it working and learned a lot, I'm running out of time and space for this project.

So I'm looking to sell all my stuff, hoping that someone can make use of it.  But I'm not sure where to sell it, which is why I'm contacting you.

Here is a list of what I have.  It's somewhat incomplete but hits the high notes.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjdoKraGxPNgdFM0Nm9tSV9WcjJtT1Q4ZWJEVnk3Y0E&usp=sharing

Let me know if that link isn't working and I'll try something else.

Note that the prices listed are just for my own tracking purposes, they have no bearing on what I'll be looking for if someone was interested in the stuff (I'm thinking roughly cut the price in half?)

Thank you,

- Brian

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This e-mail was sent from a contact form on Vancouver Hack Space (https://vancouver.hackspace.ca/wp)


befletch | 30 Sep 20:10 2014
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Migration to VHS Talk, second notice

(This message also posted on VHS Talk)

Dear hackers, makers, crafters, builders, and awesome people,

We are DEACTIVATING THIS MAILING LIST and moving to VHS Talk, an email-friendly forum located at https://talk.hackspace.ca/ . If you want to keep getting messages from Vancouver Hack Space, you will need to SIGN YOURSELF UP for VHS Talk. The current mailing list will stop working in a week or so.

To sign up for VHS Talk, visit https://talk.hackspace.ca/ and click the "Sign Up" button to create an account.

We've answered some frequently asked questions below. For more information, check out this post on VHS Talk: https://talk.hackspace.ca/t/welcome-to-talk-hackspace-ca/8


FAQ

[Q] Why are you doing this?
[A] With the growth of our community, we need to grow our tools. The mailing list was a good tool when we had a smaller, more tightly knit community. Now we have grown to the point where we need a better tool that will suit our current needs. This is VHS Talk, an installation of Discourse.

[Q] When are you going to do this?
[A] Probably in a week, perhaps as early as this weekend.

[Q] Okay, but why now?
[A] Our original mailing list has been generously hosted by robbat2, for free, for the past 5 years. He asked us to move VHS's infrastructure off of his server last year. We talked endlessly about it, but no action was taken. We're well past time to resolve this issue.

[Q] Can I use VHS Talk via email, just like I used the mailing list?
[A] Yes! You can create new topics and reply to existing topics by email. You can configure your account to receive email when new topics are posted, receive an email digest of new messages, only receive email for specific categories. There are some limitations, but for the most part you can use it just like you used the mailing list.

To receive email from VHS Talk, sign into https://talk.hackspace.ca and edit your account's email preferences.

To post a message via email, follow these instructions:

https://talk.hackspace.ca/t/posting-to-the-forums-via-email/105

[Q] Okay, I signed up. Now what?
[A] A great topic to start with is the VHS's first homework assignment:
https://talk.hackspace.ca/t/vhs-homework-assignment-1-your-first-visit-to-vhs/199

[Q] I want to make improvements to VHS Talk. Can I do that?
[A] Yes! We're hosting this software ourselves, and the source is available on Github. It is under active development by the Discourse team, so you can also see what features are planned and submit your own ideas at http://meta.discourse.org.

[Q] Is there an archive of the old mailing list?
[A] Yes: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.org.hackerspaces.vhs.general

[Q] Why not migrate the old mailing lists to the forums automatically?
[A] Unfortunately, we're pretty sure that would violate the new Canadian Anti-Spam Law (CASL). If you're interested, there's more information on CASL here: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/casl-lcap.htm
[A] We also believe that a lot of old users on the list just get the entire list delivered to their spam folder, because they were too lazy to unsubscribe properly; this provides a chance to weed out those users.

[Q] I have more questions!
[A] We will be glad to answer them on VHS Talk. We suggest that you ask them in the Space and Infrastructure catagory: https://talk.hackspace.ca/category/space-and-infrastructure



Error message to be sent when someone mails the old list.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We are going to set a message used for the mail bounce. Due to SMTP technical contraints, it can only contain a SINGLE line (no newlines or HTML), of up to 500 characters, but it's recommended that the length be <140.

The configured message so far will be: (91 chars + URL)
The VHS mailing lists have been migrated to talk.hackspace.ca. More info: {$URL goes here}



If your mail provider runs Postfix, it will look like this right now (bounce testcase at vhs-general-test-bZJqt4gKw0cRG8GVGeFnZ7Dks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org):
<vhs-general-test-bZJqt4gKw0cRG8GVGeFnZ8XXUOn6P5/W@public.gmane.orga>: host
    mail2.orbis-terrarum.net[66.196.40.254] said: 550 The VHS mailing lists
    (VHS-General & VHS-Members) have been discontinued and migrated to
    http://talk.hackspace.ca as of Sept 2014. Please see this page for more
    information $URL goes here (in reply to RCPT TO command)
Tycho Eggen | 30 Sep 09:36 2014
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SHHH 100001 - Super Happy Hacking House 33

Hello hackers, Tinkerers, Builders, Crafters, and Makers

Its been far too long since funvill organized our last Super Happy Hacker House. So, it is my pleasure to invite you all to The Vancouver HackSpace for an open house and a Super Happy Hacker House 33!

Open house –  (2PM till 6 PM) Never been to a hack space before? This is the perfect time to visit! We will give you the grand tour of the space. There will be a BBQ on site during the day if you want to bring something down to cook.
Super Happy Hacker House - (9 PM - Late). SHHH a social night where members and non-members are welcome to gather for conversation, beverages, lightning talks, and super happy hacking.  Bring your laptops, Arduinos, crafts, and gadgets for a night of merry making!
Lightning talks – (11PM). Lightning talk is a short presentation on any subject that you want. Unlike other presentations, lightning talks last only a few minutes (2 min or less) and several talks will happen in a single period by different speakers. Challenge coins will given out to the people doing talks. Here is a video of some of our previous lighting talks https://vancouver.hackspace.ca/wp/2013/10/08/vhs-lightning-talks-video/

Remember to BRING YOUR OWN CUP !

A great article about one of our previous open houses!
http://www.straight.com/blogra/499266/photos-vancouver-hack-spaces-fifth-anniversary-open-house

A time laps video of one of our old Super Happy Hacker Houses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JDvXaLbl8Q&list=PLOPfkYBEwnQpmwJXs5ZfVEdLb8DuUYCyP


Where:
"The Bunker"
270 1st Ave E,
Vancouver, BC, V5T 1A6
or 49.268764,-123.098187 for the numerically inclined.

Parking is available just outside the space. Bikes can be brought inside via the garage door. To get here via transit: get off at Main St. – Science World station, walk South down Main to 1st Ave (past McDonald's), turn left onto 1st Ave.  Walk until you see the VHS sandwich board (past the “Stay away from lonely places” sign, directly across the street from the Brinks building).

When:
Saturday October 18th, 2014. 2 pm until the early hours of the 19th.

Who:
Everyone, members and non-members and all of their friends.
befletch | 29 Sep 07:59 2014
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Server migration and CASL

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Tim Webster <tdwebste-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
The forum should have been set up so that existing mailing list users were fully subscribed to all messages.

There is a good chance this would get us into trouble with CASL. It's not that hard to create your own VHS Talk account, and doing so definitely avoids that risk.

There are 91 accounts on VHS Talk now, so our band of intrepid hackers seem to be managing the process just fine anyway. And once the lists are turned off, there is a plan* to have an auto-reply for any new messages that points the sender to talk.hackspace.ca.

- Bruce

* Again, all this stuff gets discussed on the VHS IRC channel. If you want to help out, that's the place to be.

Stephen | 29 Sep 05:39 2014
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Re: [VHS Talk] Re: [VHS Talk] Server migration

Go get busy with the following levels of government: municipal (Vancouver), provincial (BC), federal (Ottawa).  

These are way more worthy of your enthusiasm.  Let us plod exploratively and enthusiastically.

Thank you.

SDY

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 28, 2014, at 20:13, Phillip Bronstead <phil.bronstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

I am Phillip Bronstead, citizen, defender of Truth and Justice, and friend of Good People everywhere. How can I be of service?

On 28 September 2014 19:38, Thomas Hoff <thomashoffltd-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>farrell - don't worry about signing up for talk.hackspace.ca, they're going to shut down the forum in 2 weeks to switch to an SMS-only system >anyway. And not warn anyone. And not plan for the transition. Further, they will JO each other until they're convinced it is a good idea, and >belittle, ignore and dismiss any dissenting opinions. Because it is being managed by dunderheaded chuckle-boners, bro.

Wait, wait wait wait. You are feeling belittled, ignored and dismissed? Really?

I'm surprised Phil, getting upset and throwing insults is the type of behaviour I'd expect from an adolescent teenager. But aren't you an adult? Maybe it's time to start acting like one.



On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Stephen <frenchcanadianflyfishing-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
A great fable, that merge nicely with the one about the fact that there is three kind of people, the "d...s",  the p....s" and the "a.......s".  "Team America" was on this weekend...

SDY

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 28, 2014, at 17:54, Miststlkr <miststlkr <at> gmail.com> wrote:

This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody.  There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.  Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.  Somebody got angry about that, because it was Everybody’s job.  Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it.  It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have.

On Sep 28, 2014 5:07 PM, "Phillip Bronstead" <phil.bronstead <at> gmail.com> wrote:
farrell - don't worry about signing up for talk.hackspace.ca, they're going to shut down the forum in 2 weeks to switch to an SMS-only system anyway. And not warn anyone. And not plan for the transition. Further, they will JO each other until they're convinced it is a good idea, and belittle, ignore and dismiss any dissenting opinions. Because it is being managed by dunderheaded chuckle-boners, bro.

On 28 September 2014 16:23, Thomas Hoff <thomashoffltd-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Farrell Segall <farrell.segall-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
If here is anyone still out there reading this ...

I obviously did not understand the technobabble switch either so have no idea how to access the "discourse" system
Please someone spell this out or host a hands-on training session for us wannabe luddites!!

F

On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Thomas Hoff <thomashoffltd <at> gmail.com> wrote:

>Wait, so you're destroying the mailing list outright? Hold on there, cowboy, you're pulling a huge boner:

"huge" eh? I'm flattered.

>Practically speaking, you isolate the non-members and ghosts who are already subscribed to the mailing list, but haven't yet heard of the >switch to Discourse, or are willfully refusing to sign-up because they disagree with the forum's inception, rules, format, style, etc.. This >problem is made worse by outside groups who will inevitably attempt to post to the VHS community via its last-known-good-address and >instead hit a 'message undeliverable' wall. Unnecessarily dividing and isolating a community that is based on community-driven support is a >bonehead play, chucklehead. I didn't think that needed to be stated, but I guess so!

Could you clarify, are we boneheads or chuckleheads?

>Even if it becomes a read-only clone of the forum digest with a footer/header message that tells readers to get on Discourse if they want to >join-in on the discussion, it is imperative that the mailing list remain online. Until the transition of the community from mailing list to Discourse >has been sufficiently grounded in solid DATA from both pieces of software, it is a terrible idea to haphazardly axe the mailing list. Has anyone >looked at the user transition numbers? I know that there haven't been any "Hey bro, we are pulling the plug on this mailing list soon, plx >transition to Discourse." messages appended to all mailing list emails.

Bro.


>A typical schedule will look like this (and assumes that a large portion of the community are inactive):
>100% | 0% >>> Announce transition from mailing list to forum, give rationale, and sign-up link.
>80% | 20% >>> Test and perfect forum software while remaining relatively low-key on mailing list. Note that at this point the mailing list is the >primary means of communication.
>75% | 25% >>> Announce impending FORCED transition, and give a deadline for when the mailing list will become read-only, and start >appending header+footer messages to emails that direct users to Discourse. Remove links to mailing list from site.
>50% | 50% >>> Announce the formal retirement of the mailing-list. Do not actually take it offline, but do not make any references to it again. It >will remain as a forum digest. Stop archiving the mailing list (at least publicly).
>25% | 75% >>> CONSIDER taking the mailing list offline for good.

TLDR.

>This is the type of decision you make on a metric-driven schedule, not on a whim or out of convenience. Have you ever run a mailing list >before? This is really basic stuff, son, I am disappoint.

I remember when all these memes were still funny! I think you are a little late unless your saying them in some sort of ironic hipster way, then I think you're too soon.

BTW, have you figured out what appropriate e-mails are yet?

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Mark Harris <markh <at> rris.com.au> wrote:
Before I noticed IRC is in the side menu, i went here: http://vancouver.hackspace.ca/wp/contact-us/ This still has the mailing list suggested.

On 24 September 2014 01:33, Jarrett Rainier <jrainier-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Whoops, having two discussion software on one thread messes with gmail.

Again:


Hey Mark,


Your email just started a flurry of activity in IRC. There are a couple people there that want that too, so they're working on it right now.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Jarrett Rainier <jrainier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Mark,


Your email just started a flurry of activity in IRC. There are a couple people there that want that too, so they're working on it right now.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:18 PM, bruce <discourse-0aEik2v2M9+IAIbY1eLdq/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> wrote:
bruce
September 24

I suspect you're right, and the suggestion is not unreasonable, but I'm not doing the work. For that matter, I'm not implementing Discourse either, I'm just telling the mailing list residents what's happening over in IRC.

To respond, reply to this email or visit https://talk.hackspace.ca/t/re-vhs-talk-server-migration/182/2 in your browser.

To unsubscribe from these emails, visit your user preferences.









Phillip Bronstead | 29 Sep 05:34 2014
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Re: [VHS Talk] [VHS Talk] Server migration

Totally agree, re: need for blanket censorship of views critical of the VHS elite. Don't bother quitting the mailing list though, I understand that it will be taken down pretty soon anyway.

On 28 September 2014 20:20, Tom Keddie <tom-sw+bU8TVLOUeerNGlF9VIAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Ok, this guy goes or I do.  We need to see a public display that behaviour like this is destroying vhs.

Begin forwarded message:

Subject: Re: [VHS Talk] Re: [VHS Talk] Server migration
Date: September 28, 2014 at 8:13:24 PM PDT

I am Phillip Bronstead, citizen, defender of Truth and Justice, and friend of Good People everywhere. How can I be of service?

On 28 September 2014 19:38, Thomas Hoff <thomashoffltd-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>farrell - don't worry about signing up for talk.hackspace.ca, they're going to shut down the forum in 2 weeks to switch to an SMS-only system >anyway. And not warn anyone. And not plan for the transition. Further, they will JO each other until they're convinced it is a good idea, and >belittle, ignore and dismiss any dissenting opinions. Because it is being managed by dunderheaded chuckle-boners, bro.

Wait, wait wait wait. You are feeling belittled, ignored and dismissed? Really?

I'm surprised Phil, getting upset and throwing insults is the type of behaviour I'd expect from an adolescent teenager. But aren't you an adult? Maybe it's time to start acting like one.



On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Stephen <frenchcanadianflyfishing-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
A great fable, that merge nicely with the one about the fact that there is three kind of people, the "d...s",  the p....s" and the "a.......s".  "Team America" was on this weekend...

SDY

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 28, 2014, at 17:54, Miststlkr <miststlkr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody.  There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.  Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.  Somebody got angry about that, because it was Everybody’s job.  Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it.  It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have.

On Sep 28, 2014 5:07 PM, "Phillip Bronstead" <phil.bronstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
farrell - don't worry about signing up for talk.hackspace.ca, they're going to shut down the forum in 2 weeks to switch to an SMS-only system anyway. And not warn anyone. And not plan for the transition. Further, they will JO each other until they're convinced it is a good idea, and belittle, ignore and dismiss any dissenting opinions. Because it is being managed by dunderheaded chuckle-boners, bro.

On 28 September 2014 16:23, Thomas Hoff <thomashoffltd-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Farrell Segall <farrell.segall-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
If here is anyone still out there reading this ...

I obviously did not understand the technobabble switch either so have no idea how to access the "discourse" system
Please someone spell this out or host a hands-on training session for us wannabe luddites!!

F

On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Thomas Hoff <thomashoffltd-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>Wait, so you're destroying the mailing list outright? Hold on there, cowboy, you're pulling a huge boner:

"huge" eh? I'm flattered.

>Practically speaking, you isolate the non-members and ghosts who are already subscribed to the mailing list, but haven't yet heard of the >switch to Discourse, or are willfully refusing to sign-up because they disagree with the forum's inception, rules, format, style, etc.. This >problem is made worse by outside groups who will inevitably attempt to post to the VHS community via its last-known-good-address and >instead hit a 'message undeliverable' wall. Unnecessarily dividing and isolating a community that is based on community-driven support is a >bonehead play, chucklehead. I didn't think that needed to be stated, but I guess so!

Could you clarify, are we boneheads or chuckleheads?

>Even if it becomes a read-only clone of the forum digest with a footer/header message that tells readers to get on Discourse if they want to >join-in on the discussion, it is imperative that the mailing list remain online. Until the transition of the community from mailing list to Discourse >has been sufficiently grounded in solid DATA from both pieces of software, it is a terrible idea to haphazardly axe the mailing list. Has anyone >looked at the user transition numbers? I know that there haven't been any "Hey bro, we are pulling the plug on this mailing list soon, plx >transition to Discourse." messages appended to all mailing list emails.

Bro.


>A typical schedule will look like this (and assumes that a large portion of the community are inactive):
>100% | 0% >>> Announce transition from mailing list to forum, give rationale, and sign-up link.
>80% | 20% >>> Test and perfect forum software while remaining relatively low-key on mailing list. Note that at this point the mailing list is the >primary means of communication.
>75% | 25% >>> Announce impending FORCED transition, and give a deadline for when the mailing list will become read-only, and start >appending header+footer messages to emails that direct users to Discourse. Remove links to mailing list from site.
>50% | 50% >>> Announce the formal retirement of the mailing-list. Do not actually take it offline, but do not make any references to it again. It >will remain as a forum digest. Stop archiving the mailing list (at least publicly).
>25% | 75% >>> CONSIDER taking the mailing list offline for good.

TLDR.

>This is the type of decision you make on a metric-driven schedule, not on a whim or out of convenience. Have you ever run a mailing list >before? This is really basic stuff, son, I am disappoint.

I remember when all these memes were still funny! I think you are a little late unless your saying them in some sort of ironic hipster way, then I think you're too soon.

BTW, have you figured out what appropriate e-mails are yet?

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Mark Harris <markh-21FwiaDfVRe6c6uEtOJ/EA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Before I noticed IRC is in the side menu, i went here: http://vancouver.hackspace.ca/wp/contact-us/ This still has the mailing list suggested.

On 24 September 2014 01:33, Jarrett Rainier <jrainier <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Whoops, having two discussion software on one thread messes with gmail.

Again:


Hey Mark,


Your email just started a flurry of activity in IRC. There are a couple people there that want that too, so they're working on it right now.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Jarrett Rainier <jrainier-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hey Mark,


Your email just started a flurry of activity in IRC. There are a couple people there that want that too, so they're working on it right now.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:18 PM, bruce <discourse-0aEik2v2M9+IAIbY1eLdq/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> wrote:
bruce
September 24

I suspect you're right, and the suggestion is not unreasonable, but I'm not doing the work. For that matter, I'm not implementing Discourse either, I'm just telling the mailing list residents what's happening over in IRC.

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Farrell Segall | 29 Sep 04:54 2014
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Re: [VHS Talk] Re: [VHS Talk] Server migration

Whoa!! What a response
All I expected was the simple explanation provided by miststlkr . All the other cr#p ignored

thanks
F

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Miststlkr <miststlkr-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

farrell - you go to talk.hackspace.ca  create an account.   it's really truly that simple.  if you want to use it exactly how we used to use VHS-general, then go into settings and enable email notifications for all messages.   that's it.  If you need help,  drop me a line.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Farrell Segall <farrell.segall-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
If here is anyone still out there reading this ...

I obviously did not understand the technobabble switch either so have no idea how to access the "discourse" system
Please someone spell this out or host a hands-on training session for us wannabe luddites!!

F

On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Thomas Hoff <thomashoffltd-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>Wait, so you're destroying the mailing list outright? Hold on there, cowboy, you're pulling a huge boner:

"huge" eh? I'm flattered.

>Practically speaking, you isolate the non-members and ghosts who are already subscribed to the mailing list, but haven't yet heard of the >switch to Discourse, or are willfully refusing to sign-up because they disagree with the forum's inception, rules, format, style, etc.. This >problem is made worse by outside groups who will inevitably attempt to post to the VHS community via its last-known-good-address and >instead hit a 'message undeliverable' wall. Unnecessarily dividing and isolating a community that is based on community-driven support is a >bonehead play, chucklehead. I didn't think that needed to be stated, but I guess so!

Could you clarify, are we boneheads or chuckleheads?

>Even if it becomes a read-only clone of the forum digest with a footer/header message that tells readers to get on Discourse if they want to >join-in on the discussion, it is imperative that the mailing list remain online. Until the transition of the community from mailing list to Discourse >has been sufficiently grounded in solid DATA from both pieces of software, it is a terrible idea to haphazardly axe the mailing list. Has anyone >looked at the user transition numbers? I know that there haven't been any "Hey bro, we are pulling the plug on this mailing list soon, plx >transition to Discourse." messages appended to all mailing list emails.

Bro.


>A typical schedule will look like this (and assumes that a large portion of the community are inactive):
>100% | 0% >>> Announce transition from mailing list to forum, give rationale, and sign-up link.
>80% | 20% >>> Test and perfect forum software while remaining relatively low-key on mailing list. Note that at this point the mailing list is the >primary means of communication.
>75% | 25% >>> Announce impending FORCED transition, and give a deadline for when the mailing list will become read-only, and start >appending header+footer messages to emails that direct users to Discourse. Remove links to mailing list from site.
>50% | 50% >>> Announce the formal retirement of the mailing-list. Do not actually take it offline, but do not make any references to it again. It >will remain as a forum digest. Stop archiving the mailing list (at least publicly).
>25% | 75% >>> CONSIDER taking the mailing list offline for good.

TLDR.

>This is the type of decision you make on a metric-driven schedule, not on a whim or out of convenience. Have you ever run a mailing list >before? This is really basic stuff, son, I am disappoint.

I remember when all these memes were still funny! I think you are a little late unless your saying them in some sort of ironic hipster way, then I think you're too soon.

BTW, have you figured out what appropriate e-mails are yet?

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Mark Harris <markh-21FwiaDfVRe6c6uEtOJ/EA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Before I noticed IRC is in the side menu, i went here: http://vancouver.hackspace.ca/wp/contact-us/ This still has the mailing list suggested.

On 24 September 2014 01:33, Jarrett Rainier <jrainier-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Whoops, having two discussion software on one thread messes with gmail.

Again:


Hey Mark,


Your email just started a flurry of activity in IRC. There are a couple people there that want that too, so they're working on it right now.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Jarrett Rainier <jrainier-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hey Mark,


Your email just started a flurry of activity in IRC. There are a couple people there that want that too, so they're working on it right now.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:18 PM, bruce <discourse-0aEik2v2M9+IAIbY1eLdq/d9D2ou9A/h@public.gmane.org> wrote:
bruce
September 24

I suspect you're right, and the suggestion is not unreasonable, but I'm not doing the work. For that matter, I'm not implementing Discourse either, I'm just telling the mailing list residents what's happening over in IRC.

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