Tim | 20 Jun 2011 23:34
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Framework Licensing Questions


Hello,

I have a moderately complex licensing scenario that I was hoping
someone could help me navigate.  Here is what I *want* to do, though
it may not work:

A. Build a framework which is licensed under the LGPLv3

B. Write "wrapper" plugins for the framework which link various
   third-party libraries having multiple different open source
   licenses, including CPL, IBM Public, old BSD, and GPL v2/v3

C. Write proprietary, closed-source plugins for the framework which
   are sold to help support development of the framework

The most likely distribution model for each component, is that the
framework and wrapper plugins would be distributed by me in one
package; the third-party libraries would be distributed by Linux
distributions in a standard way; and the proprietary plugins would be
distributed in a separate package by me.  However, it may make sense
to distribute all components together as a VM or something similar to
make deployment easier.

My questions are:

1. Which of the above scenarios could cause licensing problems?
   1.A. Does the use of a GPLv2 or GPLv3 third-party library create a
        condition where the framework itself must be considered
        "GPLed" such that the proprietary modules or other third-party
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secretary | 14 Jun 2011 19:13

NYC LOCAL: Tuesday 14 June 2011 Lisp NYC Amphibious Operation, Paddy Mullen Head of Team

<blockquote
  what="unofficial Lisp NYC announcement"
  edits="one address suppressed">

 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:40:14 -0400
 From: Paddy Mullen
 To: management <management <at> lispnyc.org>
 Subject: [Management] June Meeting Description

 Hello Lispers,

 We will hold our June 14th social meeting at the Manhattan Sailing
 Club floating clubhouse, which is anchored off of Ellis Island.  There
 is a bar at the clubhouse, and a great view of New York Harbor, more
 information here:
 http://myc.org/Clubhouse/default.htm .

 Launches start departing from North Cove marina (located on the Hudson
 behind the world financial center) at 6:00 pm, and leave on the half
 hour, the cost is $10 for a round trip.  If the weather is bad, then
 the meeting will be moved to PJ Clarke's in the world financial
 center.

 From
 Paddy
 _______________________________________________
 Management mailing list
 Management <at> lispnyc.org
 http://lispnyc.org:8080:8080/mailman/listinfo/management

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Alexander Terekhov | 15 Jun 2011 14:35
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Re: Blowhard Bradley Kuhn and his fraud

The farce is over.

http://terekhov.de/204.pdf

regards,
alexander.

--
http://gng.z505.com/index.htm 
(GNG is a derecursive recursive derecursion which pwns GNU since it can 
be infinitely looped as GNGNGNGNG...NGNGNG... and can be said backwards 
too, whereas GNU cannot.)
Hyman Rosen | 15 Jun 2011 15:36
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Re: Blowhard Bradley Kuhn and his fraud

On 6/15/2011 8:35 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> The farce is over.
> http://terekhov.de/204.pdf

On this page, <http://insigniaproducts.com/support.html>, we have

     Open Source Software

     For OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE information
     refer to the on-screen display on your
     product. If you require additional
     information or you wish to receive the
     complete corresponding GPL or LGPL
     licensed source code, please call the
     Insignia support line at 1-877-467-4289.
     This source code is available for a period
     of three (3) years from the date of the
     distribution of this product by Insignia.

The manual for the NS-WBRDVD player says:
<http://insigniaproducts.com/cms/documents/NS-WBRDVD%20UM%20EN%20V4.pdf>

     PUBLIC LICENSE

     This product contains software that is subject to the GNU Public
     License Version 2 (GPL2). You can obtain a copy of the GPL
     License from
     http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html.

     If you require additional information or you wish to receive
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Hyman Rosen | 15 Jun 2011 21:32
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Re: Blowhard Bradley Kuhn and his fraud

On 6/15/2011 3:17 PM, RJack wrote:
> The GPL license was dead the day it was stillborn.

The GPL is in wide use, so you are wrong.
Alexander Terekhov | 15 Jun 2011 15:54
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Re: No source code for Hyman - was: Re: Sharing the GPL source code,with value addition by vendor specific to his hardware?

Hyman Rosen wrote:

[... blah blah ...]

Stop being silly and instead try to get the source code for Insignia
player that you reportedly needed so badly for so long time...

Then post here the results.

regards,
alexander.

--
http://gng.z505.com/index.htm 
(GNG is a derecursive recursive derecursion which pwns GNU since it can 
be infinitely looped as GNGNGNGNG...NGNGNG... and can be said backwards 
too, whereas GNU cannot.)
Alexander Terekhov | 15 Jun 2011 14:34
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No source code for Hyman - was: Re: Sharing the GPL source code, with value addition by vendor specific to his hardware?


Hyman Rosen wrote:
> 
> On 10/13/2010 8:17 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> > Hey Hyman how is the progress to get the source code for a refurbished
> > Insignia player you so badly needed some time ago, silly?
> >
> > <chuckles>
> 
> Nothing yet. This is, of course, why the SFLC is still pressing
> its suit against Insignia. If it gets to trial, Insignia will be
> in the rather odd position of having promised to comply with the
> GPL in its manual. Sounds like promissory estoppel to me.

On 06/14/2011 it was ordered to dismiss the claims against "Insignia"
(the defendant was Best Buy) WITH PREJUDICE per stipulation filed by
Busybox Plaintiffs and "Insignia" (the defendant was Best Buy).

http://terekhov.de/204.pdf

(In exchange Best Buy agreed that its counter claims against Busybox
plaintiffs be dismissed as well).

Forget the source code, Hyman.

Oh mighty mighty GPL...

<chuckles>

regards,
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Alexander Terekhov | 15 Jun 2011 15:53
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Re: Blowhard Bradley Kuhn and his fraud


Hyman Rosen wrote:

[... blah blah ...]

Stop being silly and instead try to get the source code for Insignia
player that you reportedly needed so badly for so long time...

Then post here the results.

regards,
alexander.

--
http://gng.z505.com/index.htm 
(GNG is a derecursive recursive derecursion which pwns GNU since it can 
be infinitely looped as GNGNGNGNG...NGNGNG... and can be said backwards 
too, whereas GNU cannot.)
RJack | 15 Jun 2011 21:45

Re: Blowhard Bradley Kuhn and his fraud

On 6/15/2011 3:32 PM, Hyman Rosen wrote:
> On 6/15/2011 3:17 PM, RJack wrote:
>> The GPL license was dead the day it was stillborn.
>
> The GPL is in wide use, so you are wrong.

Yep. And pigs hold hands while flapping their wings
ROFL.
Reality will eventually bite you in the ass Hyman.
LMAO.

Sincerely,
RJack :)
Hyman Rosen | 16 Jun 2011 22:19
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Re: Blowhard Bradley Kuhn and his fraud

On 6/16/2011 3:57 PM, RJack wrote:
> On 6/15/2011 3:54 PM, Hyman Rosen wrote:
>> On 6/15/2011 3:45 PM, RJack wrote:
>>> On 6/15/2011 3:32 PM, Hyman Rosen wrote:
>>>> On 6/15/2011 3:17 PM, RJack wrote:
>>>>> The GPL license was dead the day it was stillborn.
>>>>
>>>> The GPL is in wide use, so you are wrong.
>>>
>>> Yep. And pigs hold hands while flapping their wings ROFL. Reality
>>> will eventually bite you in the ass Hyman. LMAO.
>>
>> In reality, the GPL is in wide use. Even Insignia makes GPLed
>> sources available for at least one product, here:
>> <http://insignia.chumby.com/pages/source_code>
>
> Yeah -- dismissal WITH PREJUDICE and forking over $75,000 in
> attorneys' fees to Best Buy Inc. counsel ia a real victory Hyman.

According to the document that AT posted, <http://terekhov.de/204.pdf>:
         Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 41, plaintiffs
     Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. and Erik Anderson and defendant
     BEST BUY CO.,INC hereby dismiss their claims against each other from
     within this action WITH PREJUDICE with respect to any past claims for
     certain Insignia Blu-ray products (NS-WBRDVD, NS-BRDVD3, NS-BRHTIB,
     NS-BRDVD3-CA, NS-WBRDVD2, NS-BRDVD4, NS-BRDVD4-CA, NS-BRDVD, NS-2BRDVD,
     and NS-BDLIVB01) and without costs to any party. Plaintiffs maintain
     this action against all other defendants.

Why do you claim, in contradiction to this document, that SFLC
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