OK I'm so fucking tired of this. I use OpenBSD. I use GCC. Use GNU/Linux. BSD is free. GPL is free. Alexander, please stop drinking de Raadt's Kool Aid. Or Shut up and Hack. Come to this list when PCC is good enough to be on OpenBSD by default.
<blockquote what="official NYC*BUG announcement" edits=""> Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 23:20:36 -0400 To: announce <at> lists.nycbug.org From: NYC*BUG Announcements <announce <at> lists.nycbug.org> Subject: [announce] NYC*BUG this week Reply-To: announce <at> lists.nycbug.org * Upcoming meetings * LOPSA PIC Conference * BSDCan * * * * May 05, 2010 Scapy 6:45 PM, Suspenders Restaurant http://www.suspendersbar.com/location.php Scapy is one of the most powerful packet manipulation programs currently available. One of its powerful features lies within its capability in creating and decoding packets using numerous different types of protocols. In addition, it also has the ability send and receive packets, plus performing a number of useful penetration testing tasks, such as, handling tasks like scanning, tracerouting, network discovery(Continue reading)
VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: > OK I'm so fucking tired of this. > > I use OpenBSD. I use GCC. Use GNU/Linux. > > BSD is free. GPL is free. > Don't worry. The GPL license and the "Free Software" religion will soon reside in history's trashbin that contains Urban Legends. > > Alexander, please stop drinking de Raadt's Kool Aid. De Raadt's "Kool Aid" resides in the World of Reality. His philosophical "Kool Aid" consists of "Use it for anything you want, just be honest about where it came from". > > Or Shut up and Hack. Come to this list when PCC is good enough to be > on OpenBSD by default. > PCC doesn't need more hackers. PCC and the BSD's need more donations and support from commercial vendors for drivers. I put my money where my mouth is and proudly donate. http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html(Continue reading)
RJack <user <at> example.net> writes: > VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: >> OK I'm so fucking tired of this. >> >> I use OpenBSD. I use GCC. Use GNU/Linux. >> >> BSD is free. GPL is free. >> > > Don't worry. The GPL license and the "Free Software" religion will > soon reside in history's trashbin that contains Urban Legends. A few people told RMS when he started. Now it is a whole hissing and yelling bunch. That they bother is the best proof that they are wrong. And they know it. -- -- David Kastrup
David Kastrup wrote: > RJack <user <at> example.net> writes: > >> VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: >>> OK I'm so fucking tired of this. >>> >>> I use OpenBSD. I use GCC. Use GNU/Linux. >>> >>> BSD is free. GPL is free. >>> >> Don't worry. The GPL license and the "Free Software" religion will >> soon reside in history's trashbin that contains Urban Legends. > > A few people told RMS when he started. Now it is a whole hissing and > yelling bunch. That they bother is the best proof that they are > wrong. And they know it. > There are still a few nut-jobs out there in Cyberspace who believe the GPL is enforceable, even though the license requires that copyright permissions be licensed at "no charge to all third parties". The United States Supreme Court held in the famous Sony Betamax case: "[A]" use that has no demonstrable effect upon the potential market for, or the value of, the copyrighted work need not be prohibited in order to protect the author's incentive to create. The prohibition of such noncommercial uses would merely inhibit access to ideas without any countervailing benefit." Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 US 417.(Continue reading)
RJack <user <at> example.net> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> RJack <user <at> example.net> writes: >> >>> VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: >>>> OK I'm so fucking tired of this. >>>> >>>> I use OpenBSD. I use GCC. Use GNU/Linux. >>>> >>>> BSD is free. GPL is free. >>>> >>> Don't worry. The GPL license and the "Free Software" religion will >>> soon reside in history's trashbin that contains Urban Legends. >> >> A few people told RMS when he started. Now it is a whole hissing and >> yelling bunch. That they bother is the best proof that they are >> wrong. And they know it. >> > > There are still a few nut-jobs out there in Cyberspace who believe the > GPL is enforceable, even though the license requires that copyright > permissions be licensed at "no charge to all third parties". More relevantly, there are no judges out there in court rooms who believe the terms of the GPL can be ignored while making use of its permissions. And that's what counts, regardless of where you think your nut-jobs may be hanging out.(Continue reading)
David Kastrup wrote: > RJack <user <at> example.net> writes: > >> David Kastrup wrote: >>> RJack <user <at> example.net> writes: >>> >>>> VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: >>>>> OK I'm so fucking tired of this. >>>>> >>>>> I use OpenBSD. I use GCC. Use GNU/Linux. >>>>> >>>>> BSD is free. GPL is free. >>>>> >>>> Don't worry. The GPL license and the "Free Software" religion >>>> will soon reside in history's trashbin that contains Urban >>>> Legends. >>> A few people told RMS when he started. Now it is a whole hissing >>> and yelling bunch. That they bother is the best proof that they >>> are wrong. And they know it. >>> >> There are still a few nut-jobs out there in Cyberspace who believe >> the GPL is enforceable, even though the license requires that >> copyright permissions be licensed at "no charge to all third >> parties". > > More relevantly, there are no judges out there in court rooms who > believe the terms of the GPL can be ignored while making use of its > permissions. Please provide links to those US federal judges who *do not* "believe(Continue reading)
RJack <user <at> example.net> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> RJack <user <at> example.net> writes: >> >>> David Kastrup wrote: >>>> RJack <user <at> example.net> writes: >>>> >>>>> VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO wrote: >>>>>> OK I'm so fucking tired of this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I use OpenBSD. I use GCC. Use GNU/Linux. >>>>>> >>>>>> BSD is free. GPL is free. >>>>>> >>>>> Don't worry. The GPL license and the "Free Software" religion >>>>> will soon reside in history's trashbin that contains Urban >>>>> Legends. >>>> A few people told RMS when he started. Now it is a whole hissing >>>> and yelling bunch. That they bother is the best proof that they >>>> are wrong. And they know it. >>>> >>> There are still a few nut-jobs out there in Cyberspace who believe >>> the GPL is enforceable, even though the license requires that >>> copyright permissions be licensed at "no charge to all third >>> parties". >> >> More relevantly, there are no judges out there in court rooms who >> believe the terms of the GPL can be ignored while making use of its >> permissions.(Continue reading)
David Kastrup wrote: [...] > You won't find any. And that's the point. Since it is YOU GNUtians who are crying "copyright violation", "copyright violation"... which is a tort and on a large scale it is even a crime, IT'S UP TO YOU TO PROVE THE CLAIM YOU IDIOT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof "It is a logical fallacy to presume that mere lack of evidence of innocence of a crime is instead evidence of guilt. Similarly, mere lack of evidence of guilt cannot be taken as evidence of innocence. For this reason (among others), Western legal systems err on the side of caution. Simply the act of taking a defendant before a court is not adequate evidence to presume anything. Courts require evidence of guilt to be presented first, adequate for the court to find that the charge has been substantiatedi.e., that the prosecution's evidential burden has been metand only after this burden is met is the defense obliged to present counter-evidence of innocence. If the burden of proof is not met, that does not imply that the defendant is innocent. Hence, in such a case, the defendant is found "not guilty", except in Scotland, where the jury also has the option to return a verdict of not proven. Also, as a hypothetical example of an "argument from personal incredulity," defined above, suppose someone were to argue: - I cannot imagine any way for Person P to have executed action X without committing a crime Y(Continue reading)
On 5/5/2010 8:11 AM, RJack wrote: > Please provide links to those US federal judges who *do not* "believe > the terms of the GPL can be ignored." I await with 'bated breath for > your documentation. Sure, here you are: <http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=13584730711160488510> PROGRESS SOFTWARE CORPORATION, et al., Plaintiffs, v. MYSQL AB, et al., Defendants. ORDER SARIS, District Judge. ... With respect to the General Public License ("GPL"), MYSQL has not demonstrated a substantial likelihood of success on the merits or irreparable harm. Affidavits submitted by the parties' experts raise a factual dispute concerning whether the Gemini program is a derivative or an independent and separate work under GPL ¶ 2. After hearing, MySQL seems to have the better argument here, but the matter is one of fair dispute. Moreover, I am not persuaded based on this record that the release of the Gemini source code in July 2001 didn't cure the breach.
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