Miles Bader | 1 Jan 2008 01:29
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Re: Free Software Lifestyle

"Koh Choon Lin" <pppd88 <at> gmail.com> writes:
> Nobody around me in life and work communicated using ODF or TXT and
> people just assumed I am crazy to use them.

You have to understand that non-free-software people are often a bit slow...

-Miles

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Andrew Gray | 1 Jan 2008 01:50
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Re: Free Software Lifestyle

Miles Bader wrote:
> "Koh Choon Lin" <pppd88 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>> Nobody around me in life and work communicated using ODF or TXT and
>> people just assumed I am crazy to use them.
> 
> You have to understand that non-free-software people are often a bit slow...
> 
> -Miles
> 

In many cases you can't blame them for being slow. Not only is their 
only known option a proprietary format, but tons of sites, including 
specifically education services such as TurnItIn.com, to this date do 
not accept open document formats for uploads while accepting most other 
formats. At least they take TXT, or I would have been out on several 
essays for the past few years, although I still lost points because it 
wasn't formatted "correctly".

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Tim Smith | 1 Jan 2008 05:12

Re: Free Software Lifestyle

In article 
<b858a221-c5ba-479c-b0a6-0cbd3fd3bba5 <at> e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
 sweetandy <at> gmail.com wrote:
> It's difficult to be "hip" online with my friends without the ability
> to fully use YouTube or complicated flash programs integrated into
> Facebook, the social networking site. I can't play the games they want
> me to play, I can't "tag" their "wall" in certain ways. I simply
> refuse to participate, and it set me in a poor position in their eyes,
> as if this is a fault it's cool to attack. I can't play their Windows
> games, and I publicly boycott pretty much everything the average teen
> does on his computer, including downloading music and video illegally.
> I just don't roll that way, and I make it clear to people that I
> don't. If they say, "you can just get it off of Limewire," or "I'll
> burn you a copy," I respond and say, "That's illegal. I don't need to
> hear the song that badly."
> 
> As I've stated before, the result of this behavior is that I become a
> social outcast standing up for what I believe. I know that many do not
> agree, but I see this as the right thing to do and I don't see another
> logical way of living my life. The Free Software Lifestyle, though,
> sets me in a position that is difficult to deal with not in a life-
> long sense (because that's the easy part), but in a day-to-day sense
> in dealing with others. I'm making this post to ask the people of the
> Internet about their experiences and their thoughts on this, what is
> to me, amazing lifestyle. How has it touched your life?

How far do you take this?  Do you have a Wii, XBox360, or PS3, or do you 
avoid those because the software they run and the games they play aren't 
free?

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Miles Bader | 1 Jan 2008 05:52
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Tim Smith <reply_in_group <at> mouse-potato.com> writes:
> So what do you actually gain by avoiding the Flash plugin on your
> Linux box?  Is it really worth hurting your social relationships for
> that?

Of course another question is whether social relationships which are are
dependent on flash are worth saving...

-miles

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David Golden | 1 Jan 2008 07:14

Re: Free Software Lifestyle

Miles Bader wrote:

> Of course another question is whether social relationships which are
> are dependent on flash are worth saving...
> 

Heh. Indeed. 

Anyway, just to note in passing that Gnash works for many flash sites
now /anyway/ - even including the likes of youtube.

http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
Andrew Gray | 1 Jan 2008 08:30
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Re: Free Software Lifestyle

David Golden wrote:
> Miles Bader wrote:
> 
>> Of course another question is whether social relationships which are
>> are dependent on flash are worth saving...
>>
> 
> Heh. Indeed. 
> 
> Anyway, just to note in passing that Gnash works for many flash sites
> now /anyway/ - even including the likes of youtube.
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
>  
> 

Hey, thanks! I really should go through my software bookmarks more often 
to check up on those projects!! Installed ; )

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Ciaran O'Riordan | 2 Jan 2008 12:50
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Tim Smith <reply_in_group <at> mouse-potato.com> writes:
> I bet if you look around, you'll find that you are happily using plenty 
> of things that use non-free software every day.

This argument is: You can't attain perfection, so don't try improving.

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Andrew Gray | 2 Jan 2008 13:18
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Ciaran O'Riordan wrote:
> Tim Smith <reply_in_group <at> mouse-potato.com> writes:
>> I bet if you look around, you'll find that you are happily using plenty 
>> of things that use non-free software every day.
> 
> This argument is: You can't attain perfection, so don't try improving.
> 
> 

I don't deny that at times free software advocates can seem cultish, and 
the borders between religion and cult can be somewhat blurry if you 
don't make major distinctions. With that in mind, let me make a 
metaphor, albeit a vague one.

Catholics aren't Catholic so that they can be perfect; they're Catholic 
because they are imperfect and they want to strive to improve 
themselves, both for themselves and for their community. Catholics are 
Catholic also because they believe it is right. People may sin less if 
they follow a strict code, but that doesn't mean they're sinless by any 
means.

I try to use Free Software as exclusively as possible not because I'm 
striving for perfection, but because I'm striving to prove a point by 
being the best person (by that standard, anyway) that I can be, 
regardless of whether or not I can attain a wholly exclusive usage. It 
doesn't mean I'm not apt to slip up every once in a while either by 
cultural "necessity" or ignorance, but I'm still *trying*.

It certainly is a bit of a stretch, but the comparison makes sense to me.

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Robert Noll | 3 Jan 2008 00:45
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gamedev : does art-license affect code-license ?

Hi !

If art (textures, models, audio...) is under a GPL,
does that mean it can only be used in applications (e.g. games) that are also GPL ?

I didn't find a clear answer to that in the faq, and the people in irc(freenode/#gnu) told me the general
opinion is that
the license of the artwork doesn't affect the license of the code, but that i should ask here as well.

Is there something like a (semi-)official statement about this somewhere ?

best regards
ghoulsblade

PS : is it ok to use GPL2 art in a GPL3 app ?
Tim Smith | 3 Jan 2008 06:15

Re: Free Software Lifestyle

In article <mailman.5620.1199274647.18990.gnu-misc-discuss <at> gnu.org>,
 Ciaran O'Riordan <ciaran <at> fsfe.org> wrote:
> Tim Smith <reply_in_group <at> mouse-potato.com> writes:
> > I bet if you look around, you'll find that you are happily using plenty 
> > of things that use non-free software every day.
> 
> This argument is: You can't attain perfection, so don't try improving.

But you can achieve perfection.  The Amish, I suspect, use no closed or 
proprietary software.

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