J.R. Seago | 2 Apr 21:56 2007

Replacing/Displacing Microsoft

I sat for 16 years on the Council of a National Voluntary membership 
organisation. They, I have discovered use Microsoft, this is so bad that it 
is a dismissable offense, due to collective paranoia to merely insert a CD 
into ones work station, due to the risk of virus's/viri, (?).

I tried giving one of the national directors, a CD of Knoppix to try out, he 
was so worried by the Draconian rules on introducing spyware/CD's into the 
system that he tried it out at home on his own computer, but the status quo 
is such that he will get no where suggesting a trial. So I will write a 
paper and send it to the Council/Directors. But I need some information, 
I've been a convinced user since 1999, or was it Slackware 7, whichever. 
but I am not as skilled as the rest of you and still can't get MySql to 
install properly in order to learn to use it, or Slackware 11 to play my 
music CD's. So the information I need is what does it cost, roughly, to use 
XP to run a members database for 150,000 members, plus usual organisation 
accounting, administration, correspondence, preparation of reports, 
research department needs, etc., etc. per seat licenses for a staff of 
around 200? Input from the UK would help here as that's where its used. I 
also assume that such an organisation would only need the one DVD, (to be 
on the safe side, per office, thats around 10), of Slackware, total cost of 
around £300, (or whatever other distribution, its just that I'm used to 
Slackware), the limitation on numbers of users of work stations being the 
hardware, not any limitation of Slackware/GNU-Linux? I can then make a 
start on a paper on the benefits of changing over, and comeback 
occasionally when I need help on particular matters

I believe there may be a new Free Linux virtual machine to run XP in while 
they try it out/change over would that be correct? 
http://www.virtualbox.org/
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Alex Hudson | 2 Apr 22:06 2007

Re: Replacing/Displacing Microsoft

On Mon, 2007-04-02 at 20:56 +0100, J.R. Seago wrote:
> I believe there may be a new Free Linux virtual machine to run XP in while 
> they try it out/change over would that be correct? 

Are you talking about CoLinux ? <http://www.colinux.org/>

It's not a VM; it basically runs Linux as a Windows application (as I
understand it) - I guess a lot like a Xen instance. I haven't tried it
myself, but it has got a lot of attention recently.

The advantage over a LiveCD would probably be primarily speed, but I
suspect those who fear putting a strange CD in their computer (and, to
be honest, rightly so - no matter your OS) will be even less willing to
install a distribution, even if it doesn't touch the existing OS.

Cheers,

Alex.
Tom Chance | 2 Apr 22:17 2007
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Re: Replacing/Displacing Microsoft

Ahoy,

I'm currently embarking on a feasibility study for my employer, a ~50 staff 
NGO, and I sit on the board of another small NGO that is trying to migrate, 
so I hope I can be of some help here...

On Monday 02 April 2007 20:56:08 J.R. Seago wrote:
> So the information I need is what does it cost, roughly, to use
> XP to run a members database for 150,000 members, plus usual organisation
> accounting, administration, correspondence, preparation of reports,
> research department needs, etc., etc. per seat licenses for a staff of
> around 200? Input from the UK would help here as that's where its used.

That's really not enough info to be specific. Still...

Licensing isn't actually all that pricey as a proportion of the total cost for 
a charity. You can get all the necessary MS desktop and server licenses for 
tops £40/head through the Charity Technology eXchange (CTX) program for up to 
50 users, and then the remainder I'm not too sure. Most companies do 
educational / charity discounts on licenses.

> I 
> also assume that such an organisation would only need the one DVD, (to be
> on the safe side, per office, thats around 10), of Slackware, total cost of
> around £300, (or whatever other distribution, its just that I'm used to
> Slackware), the limitation on numbers of users of work stations being the
> hardware, not any limitation of Slackware/GNU-Linux? I can then make a
> start on a paper on the benefits of changing over, and comeback
> occasionally when I need help on particular matters

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Mark Preston | 3 Apr 00:22 2007
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Replacing/Displacing Microsoft

J.R. Seago wrote:
> I sat for 16 years on the Council of a National Voluntary membership 
> organisation. They, I have discovered use Microsoft, this is so bad that it 
> is a dismissable offense, due to collective paranoia to merely insert a CD 
> into ones work station, due to the risk of virus's/viri, (?).
>  
> I tried giving one of the national directors, a CD of Knoppix to try out, he 
> was so worried by the Draconian rules on introducing spyware/CD's into the 
> system that he tried it out at home on his own computer, but the status quo 
> is such that he will get no where suggesting a trial. So I will write a 
> paper and send it to the Council/Directors. But I need some information, 
> I've been a convinced user since 1999, or was it Slackware 7, whichever. 
> but I am not as skilled as the rest of you and still can't get MySql to 
> install properly in order to learn to use it, or Slackware 11 to play my 
> music CD's. So the information I need is what does it cost, roughly, to use 
> XP to run a members database for 150,000 members, plus usual organisation 
> accounting, administration, correspondence, preparation of reports, 
> research department needs, etc., etc. per seat licenses for a staff of 
> around 200? Input from the UK would help here as that's where its used. I 
> also assume that such an organisation would only need the one DVD, (to be 
> on the safe side, per office, thats around 10), of Slackware, total cost of 
> around £300, (or whatever other distribution, its just that I'm used to 
> Slackware), the limitation on numbers of users of work stations being the 
> hardware, not any limitation of Slackware/GNU-Linux? I can then make a 
> start on a paper on the benefits of changing over, and comeback 
> occasionally when I need help on particular matters
> 
> I believe there may be a new Free Linux virtual machine to run XP in while 
> they try it out/change over would that be correct? 
> http://www.virtualbox.org/
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Mark Cooper | 3 Apr 12:13 2007
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Petition to make all UK TV listings free

fyi

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Free-TV-listings/

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Ciaran O'Riordan | 4 Apr 07:18 2007
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Transcript of RMS on GPLv3, interview, and new LGPL draft


A transcript of RMS's recent GPLv3 talk is now online:
http://fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/brussels-rms-transcript

I would like help in publicising this as widely as possible, so please
submit that to news sites and pass it on to other relevent mailing lists and
forums.

Also, the 2nd draft of LGPLv3 is out:
http://gplv3.fsf.org/lgpl3-dd2-guide

And here's an interview with RMS from the same day as his GPLv3 talk:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070403114157109

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graham | 4 Apr 10:09 2007
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tenders and free software: italians win

The Italian Free Software Association has managed to get the Italian
government to follow it's own rules on competition and considering free
software in the tendering process:

http://www.softwarelibero.it/abbiamo_vinto_en

I'm curious whether that is purely a result of Italian law or whether it
has any implications for BECTA's new tendering framework and similar
things in the UK? Or is it more the result of the Italian Free Software
Association having access to good and friendly law firms?

Graham
J.R. Seago | 4 Apr 14:26 2007

Re: Replacing/Displacing Microsoft

Thank you all for your comments they have been very helpful. It would appear 
that the costs are a very minor factor, so minor that I am rethinking my 
approach. 

Perhaps it is outlook that needs altering, and an appreciation that 
Microsoft is not 'ALL' there is available, plus an appreciation that other, 
not only GNU/Linux, Operating systems exist, and may be both more reliable, 
and less vulnerable.
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Richard Smedley | 4 Apr 21:17 2007

Re: Re: Replacing/Displacing Microsoft

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:26:44 "J.R. Seago" wrote:
> Thank you all for your comments they have been very helpful. It would
> appear that the costs are a very minor factor, so minor that I am
> rethinking my approach. 
> 
> Perhaps it is outlook that needs altering, and an appreciation that 
> Microsoft is not 'ALL' there is available, plus an appreciation that
> other, not only GNU/Linux, Operating systems exist, and may be both
> more reliable, and less vulnerable.

We work almost solely with third sector groups (voluntary and community
organisations, and social enterprises), and we find they are very
interested in the ideas of freedom and community behind Free Software.

Unlike (many) businesses, third sector groups are not afraid to talk
of morality & ethics. More directly you could look to the group's 
stated aims, mission statement, etc. Often these include paraphrased
statements in favour of community, inclusiveness, education and
sharing - but nothing about keeping knowledge secret, and stopping
organisations working together ;-/

 - Richard

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Jon Grant | 4 Apr 23:21 2007

Re: Transcript of RMS on GPLv3, interview, and new LGPL draft

> I would like help in publicising this as widely as possible, so please
> submit that to news sites and pass it on to other relevent mailing lists and
> forums.

http://digg.com/linux_unix/Richard_Stallman_s_GPLv3_Transcript_1st_April_2007_is_online

Feel free to digg everyone.
Cheers, Jon

Gmane