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Ciaran O'Riordan | 1 May 2006 01:09
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Re: TV show about copyright, the Internet and DRM


Alex Hudson <home <at> alexhudson.com> writes:
> Well, the kind of thing I have in mind is actually a series of shorts
> rather than one large show. I'm thinking 10mn videos on single topics,

I was inspired with a similar idea after I saw this:
http://www.redhat.com/v/magazine/ogg/webbink.ogm
"Intellectual property explained", 6m 21s.

It provides a nice example format, but the content could be improved.

I then made a plan to record a better video with my digital camera but
haven't found the time yet to get the content right.

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Alex Hudson | 1 May 2006 11:59

Re: TV show about copyright, the Internet and DRM

On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 00:09 +0100, Ciaran O'Riordan wrote:
> I was inspired with a similar idea after I saw this:
> http://www.redhat.com/v/magazine/ogg/webbink.ogm
> "Intellectual property explained", 6m 21s.
> 
> It provides a nice example format, but the content could be improved.

That's not half bad. 

The content could be a good guide at least if we wanted to produce
something: it's obviously US-centric, hence the talk of States and his
not talking about the database rights, but it seems to cover all the
important points.

Cheers,

Alex.
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MJ Ray | 2 May 2006 08:27
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Re: Summary: TV show about copyright, the Internet and DRM

"Shane M. Coughlan" <shane <at> shaneland.co.uk>
> Thanks :)  I did pounce on Matt a bit.  I didn't like his "DRM is
> allowing consumers to access music in a better way."  His attempt to
> equate things like streaming music with DRM is just silly, and I took
> him to task on that connection.

One thing that does worry me is throwing the rights baby out with
the restrictions bathwater. In theory, rights management could
make it easier for free software supporters to adapt software and
keep all the licensing straight. So, I'm a bit uncomfortable with
talks about the GPLv3 technological measures preventions being
about DRM in general.

In practice, the only bit of DRM that is being pushed hard is the
restrictions side, so maybe it doesn't matter.

> [...] The producer told me to look at a certain
> point on a wall near the empty space on the sofa where Andrew was
> sitting.  I guess this was OK on close shots, but on a wide shot of all
> three of us it must have looked pretty strange. [...]

I thought it was more noticeable on close shots, but my eyes don't
work so well to notice eye detail on the group shots.

> It looks like I might get a call-back sometime in the future. [...]

Please, keep us posted!

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Ciaran O'Riordan | 2 May 2006 23:31
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Re: Summary: TV show about copyright, the Internet and DRM


MJ Ray <mjr <at> phonecoop.coop> writes:
> [...] I'm a bit uncomfortable with
> talks about the GPLv3 technological measures preventions being
> about DRM in general.

I've hit this problem too.  We need a word for bad DRM.  I think this was
RMS's inspiration for coining "tivoisation" but I haven't made up my mind
yet on that term.

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Alex Hudson | 3 May 2006 00:10

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On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 22:31 +0100, Ciaran O'Riordan wrote:
> MJ Ray <mjr <at> phonecoop.coop> writes:
> > [...] I'm a bit uncomfortable with
> > talks about the GPLv3 technological measures preventions being
> > about DRM in general.
> 
> I've hit this problem too.  We need a word for bad DRM.  I think this was
> RMS's inspiration for coining "tivoisation" but I haven't made up my mind
> yet on that term.

FWIW, I know that in DRM consultations there are always radio stations
or similar who come out in support of DRM because it enables them to
keep track of the royalties etc. - I don't know how much difference it
does make to them, but it does sound like they're saving themselves a
small world of pain.

I'm not sure there is a word for 'bad DRM' - I don't think technology is
inherently good or bad. It's a lot like trusted computing - the TC chip
in my laptop is entirely useful from a security point of view, but could
be used against me if I ran the wrong software.

Cheers,

Alex.
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Shane M. Coughlan | 3 May 2006 23:53
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A day with the boys from GLLUG


Recently I was down in London speaking to the Great London Linux User
Group.  I just posted a blog entry about my adventure here:
https://www.fsfe.org/en/fellows/shane/communicating_freely/a_day_with_the_boys_from_gllug

I had a great time, and we touched on some pretty topical things.  If
you are interested in deployment of GNU/Linux and other Free systems in
business environments, or in the danger that as Free Software gets more
corporate we'll cooperate less, you might find something to mull over :)

Shane

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Adam Moran | 4 May 2006 12:40
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[ Info ] FLOSS discussion paper

03/05/06 17:00 [Contentdevelopersbulletin] Becta Content Developers' 
Bulletin:

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> FLOSS discussion paper
> 
> Futurelab has published a discussion paper entitled 'The potential of open source approaches for
education', which gives a historical overview of the development of FLOSS (Free, Libre, Open Source
Software) and the key debates around it. The paper also explores some of the ways in which the approaches
which characterise the FLOSS movement might be applied in educational contexts. The potential of open
source approaches for education is available from the Futurelab website [
http://www.futurelab.org.uk/research/opening_education.htm ].

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MJ Ray | 5 May 2006 12:09
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Ciaran O'Riordan <ciaran <at> fsfe.org>
> I've hit this problem too.  We need a word for bad DRM.  I think this was
> RMS's inspiration for coining "tivoisation" but I haven't made up my mind
> yet on that term.

Let's learn from the French. In the DADVSI (latest copyright law)
coverage, even in the tabloid newspapers, technological protection
measures (TPM, or MTP in French) seems to be used a lot. It even
sounds a bit like TVP, textured vegetable protein, which people
don't like finding on their meat pie labels.

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Jason Clifford | 5 May 2006 12:41

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On Fri, 5 May 2006, MJ Ray wrote:

> Let's learn from the French. In the DADVSI (latest copyright law)
> coverage, even in the tabloid newspapers, technological protection
> measures (TPM, or MTP in French) seems to be used a lot. It even
> sounds a bit like TVP, textured vegetable protein, which people
> don't like finding on their meat pie labels.

Why continue to us the word "protection". By doing so you are granting the 
central plank of their case to those who want more restrictive copyright 
powers.

Surely the real description for DRM is "Restriction" Perhaps a better term 
would be Technical Restriction Measures. This more properly describes the 
fact that these measures seek to restrict the rights of consumers and 
others to the goods they have bought.

Jason
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Chris Croughton | 5 May 2006 12:58
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On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 11:41:41AM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote:

> On Fri, 5 May 2006, MJ Ray wrote:
> 
> > Let's learn from the French. In the DADVSI (latest copyright law)
> > coverage, even in the tabloid newspapers, technological protection
> > measures (TPM, or MTP in French) seems to be used a lot. It even
> > sounds a bit like TVP, textured vegetable protein, which people
> > don't like finding on their meat pie labels.
> 
> Why continue to us the word "protection". By doing so you are granting the 
> central plank of their case to those who want more restrictive copyright 
> powers.

It's 'protection' in the same sense as the Mafia use it -- pay us or
we'll send da boyz round and do yer.  Or as in 'protectionism', we'll
slap heavy tariffs on anyone else because our own prices are so high we
don't want to compete.

> Surely the real description for DRM is "Restriction" Perhaps a better term 
> would be Technical Restriction Measures. This more properly describes the 
> fact that these measures seek to restrict the rights of consumers and 
> others to the goods they have bought.

I think most people are familiar enough with the negative meanings of
'protection'.  People like The Register have been trying to get the
message "The 'R; in DRMis for 'Restriction'" across without success
except to the already-converted, what is needed is a different letter.
And I like the association with TVP, something else which isn't what it
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