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Marcos Marado | 2 Nov 2011 18:48
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Re: Open Standards in Portugal

Hi there,

On Monday 31 October 2011 10:45:04 Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 2011/10/26 Marcos Marado <mindboosternoori <at> gmail.com>:
> > In Portugal, after having a law that forces the Government to use Open
> > Standards, there's now this division defining how and which open
> > standards to support... The consultation about it ends at the 30th, and
> > we're still in the middle of the work for it. Several questions already
> > rose, tho... And I'm
> 
> > hoping someone can help us answering them in this last few days:
> Sorry I missed the deadline.

No problem, this is just one of the steps for this process, and your feedback 
is very appreciated...

> > * TLS 1.1 or 1.2 (since the biggest F.S. browsers don't support it)
> >  * is it true that konqueror supports them?
> >  * is it true that midori supports them?
> >  * is there any (free software) mail client that supports SMTPS, POP3S
> > and IMAP3S using TLS 1.1 or 1.2 (which one?)
> 
> I think neither Firefox nor Thuderbird support TLS 1.1 or TLS 1.2,
> even though it has been underway for a few years now (both use NSS). I
> don't think we should advocate old standards just because some FOSS
> does not support it, rather do it the other way, use the standard
> requirement as an argument to get funding from the public sector to
> implement support in FOSS (although I'm sure it's not easy).
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Matthias Kirschner | 7 Nov 2011 10:52
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Dutch government hands over education's keys to Microsoft

We started a campaign in the Netherlands:

  The Dutch government wants to tie the country's schools to a single
  software vendor for years to come. Dutch students using Free Software
  or devices without Silverlight-support will find themselves locked out
  of schools' online systems due to the use of proprietary technology
  and closed standards. Marja Bijsterveldt, the secretary of education,
  recently said that she is unwilling to enforce the Dutch government's
  own Open Standards policy on educational institutions. Instead, the
  government will accept long-term vendor lock-in of educational
  institutions. 

Full PR: https://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20111107-01.en.html
Campaign page: https://fsfe.org/campaigns/nledu/nledu.en.html

Regards,
Matthias

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Sam Liddicott | 7 Nov 2011 12:40

Re: Dutch government hands over education's keys to Microsoft

ask her why they accepted the post if they are unwilling to fulfil it.

Publicly invite the resignation or to give back half the salary as they are unable to perform the duties.

Sam

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Matthias Kirschner <mk-VaTbYqLCNhc@public.gmane.org> wrote:
We started a campaign in the Netherlands:

 The Dutch government wants to tie the country's schools to a single
 software vendor for years to come. Dutch students using Free Software
 or devices without Silverlight-support will find themselves locked out
 of schools' online systems due to the use of proprietary technology
 and closed standards. Marja Bijsterveldt, the secretary of education,
 recently said that she is unwilling to enforce the Dutch government's
 own Open Standards policy on educational institutions. Instead, the
 government will accept long-term vendor lock-in of educational
 institutions.

Full PR: https://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20111107-01.en.html
Campaign page: https://fsfe.org/campaigns/nledu/nledu.en.html

Regards,
Matthias

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<p>ask her why they accepted the post if they are unwilling to fulfil it.<br></p>
<div>Publicly&nbsp;invite the resignation or to give back half the salary as they are unable to perform the duties.</div>
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<div>Sam<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Matthias Kirschner <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mk@...">mk@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
We started a campaign in the Netherlands:<br><br>
 &nbsp;The Dutch government wants to tie the country's schools to a single<br>
 &nbsp;software vendor for years to come. Dutch students using Free Software<br>
 &nbsp;or devices without Silverlight-support will find themselves locked out<br>
 &nbsp;of schools' online systems due to the use of proprietary technology<br>
 &nbsp;and closed standards. Marja Bijsterveldt, the secretary of education,<br>
 &nbsp;recently said that she is unwilling to enforce the Dutch government's<br>
 &nbsp;own Open Standards policy on educational institutions. Instead, the<br>
 &nbsp;government will accept long-term vendor lock-in of educational<br>
 &nbsp;institutions.<br><br>
Full PR: <a href="https://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20111107-01.en.html" target="_blank">https://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20111107-01.en.html</a><br>
Campaign page: <a href="https://fsfe.org/campaigns/nledu/nledu.en.html" target="_blank">https://fsfe.org/campaigns/nledu/nledu.en.html</a><br><br>
Regards,<br>
Matthias<br><span class="HOEnZb"><br>
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Szakál Péter | 7 Nov 2011 12:45
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Hi all,

It is a very important topic for us too in Hungary.

10 years ago the lock-in process has been very similar in Hungary:

1. The state has bought a central educational online system which only worked on MS platform.
2. Next year MS declared to the ministry that they have to be payed as the central system is MS based
3. In 2001 the ministry of education signed School&Campus for the whole sector
4. Result: Vendor lock-in for 10 years, all free softwares has been droped out
5. In the past couple of years we (Open SKM - FSF Hungary - ODFA Hungary) had many (more or less unsuccessful)
campaign against MS vendor locks.
6. After 10 years we are near to convince the government to end MS vendor lock-in.

I strongly believe that certain and long term changes are now achievable via Europe wide activities.

This could be a good time to start a European/cross nation campaign for free softwares and open software
standards in the public sector (education, administration).

Best,
Peter Szakal

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We started a campaign in the Netherlands:

  The Dutch government wants to tie the country's schools to a single
  software vendor for years to come. Dutch students using Free Software
  or devices without Silverlight-support will find themselves locked out
  of schools' online systems due to the use of proprietary technology
  and closed standards. Marja Bijsterveldt, the secretary of education,
  recently said that she is unwilling to enforce the Dutch government's
  own Open Standards policy on educational institutions. Instead, the
  government will accept long-term vendor lock-in of educational
  institutions. 

Full PR: https://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20111107-01.en.html
Campaign page: https://fsfe.org/campaigns/nledu/nledu.en.html

Regards,
Matthias

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Matthias Kirschner | 7 Nov 2011 14:49
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Hello Peter,

thanks for the update from Hungary.

* Szakál Péter <szakal.peter <at> openskm.com> [2011-11-07 12:45:04 +0100]:

> 5. In the past couple of years we (Open SKM - FSF Hungary - ODFA
> Hungary) had many (more or less unsuccessful) campaign against MS
> vendor locks.

Can you describe the different campaigns, and tell us from your
experience why some of them failed and other were successful?

> This could be a good time to start a European/cross nation campaign
> for free softwares and open software standards in the public sector
> (education, administration).

It would be perfect if you push now in Hungary again. We defenetely want
to work on other countries, if everything works out in the Netherlands
(perhaps even if it does not work out).  If we find volunteers in other
countries we can start there, too. 

Best Regards,
Matthias

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simo | 7 Nov 2011 15:23
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On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 10:52 +0100, Matthias Kirschner wrote: 
> We started a campaign in the Netherlands:
> 
>   The Dutch government wants to tie the country's schools to a single
>   software vendor for years to come. Dutch students using Free Software
>   or devices without Silverlight-support will find themselves locked out
>   of schools' online systems due to the use of proprietary technology
>   and closed standards. Marja Bijsterveldt, the secretary of education,
>   recently said that she is unwilling to enforce the Dutch government's
>   own Open Standards policy on educational institutions. Instead, the
>   government will accept long-term vendor lock-in of educational
>   institutions. 
> 
> Full PR: https://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20111107-01.en.html
> Campaign page: https://fsfe.org/campaigns/nledu/nledu.en.html
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 

Wow, hugely smart move given Microsoft itself basically said Silverlight
is a dead platfrom ...

Simo.

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Matthias Kirschner | 7 Nov 2011 15:36
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* simo <idra@...> [2011-11-07 09:23:04 -0500]:

> Wow, hugely smart move given Microsoft itself basically said Silverlight
> is a dead platfrom ...

Do you have a reference on that?

Thanks,
Matthias

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On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 15:36 +0100, Matthias Kirschner wrote: 
> * simo <idra@...> [2011-11-07 09:23:04 -0500]:
> 
> > Wow, hugely smart move given Microsoft itself basically said Silverlight
> > is a dead platfrom ...
> 
> Do you have a reference on that?

Sorry I do not have authoritative references.
It may be an undead product ;-)

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Matthias Kirschner | 7 Nov 2011 16:17
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* simo <idra@...> [2011-11-07 09:53:51 -0500]:

> On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 15:36 +0100, Matthias Kirschner wrote: 
> > * simo <idra@...> [2011-11-07 09:23:04 -0500]:
> > 
> > > Wow, hugely smart move given Microsoft itself basically said Silverlight
> > > is a dead platfrom ...
> > 
> > Do you have a reference on that?
> 
> Sorry I do not have authoritative references.
> It may be an undead product ;-)

How can you kill undead products? Silver bullets? ;)

SCNR,
Matthias

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Stefano Maffulli | 7 Nov 2011 16:29
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2011/11/7 Matthias Kirschner <mk-VaTbYqLCNhc@public.gmane.org>
* simo <idra-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> [2011-11-07 09:23:04 -0500]:

> Wow, hugely smart move given Microsoft itself basically said Silverlight
> is a dead platfrom ...

Do you have a reference on that?

Microsoft only said that its strategy 'shifted' to HTML5 only for web development, while SL will still be used in other cases. References:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/11/silverlight-html5-and-microsofts-opaque-development-strategy.ars

Is it dead? In my eyes it was never born but it's hard to sell this argument to a politician that just bought it.

/stef
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* simo &lt;<a href="mailto:idra@...">idra@...</a>&gt; [2011-11-07 09:23:04 -0500]:<br><div class="im">
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only said that its strategy 'shifted' to HTML5 only for web development,
 while SL will still be used in other cases. References:<br><br><a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834</a><br><a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/11/silverlight-html5-and-microsofts-opaque-development-strategy.ars">http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/11/silverlight-html5-and-microsofts-opaque-development-strategy.ars</a><br><br>Is it dead? In my eyes it was never born but it's hard to sell this argument to a politician that just bought it.<br><br>/stef<br>
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