Guido Arnold | 1 Feb 23:15 2011
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RFC for FSFE Edu-Team mission statement

Hello all,

Although the Edu-Team has been active again, there was no consistent
answer to the question what exactly we are aiming for and how we plan
to get there. So, we started working on our mission statement and came
up with a first draft. 

You are warmly invited to provide us with any kind of input for
improvements!

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FSFE Edu-Team Mission Statement:

With the increasing usage of Information technology, software
knowledgeability [1] has become a key skill in modern society. At almost
all levels [2], pupils and students are taught how to use computers and
deal with software.

We believe [3] Free Software is the best choice as it encourages schooling
of understanding over product schooling, upholds the scientific
principles and doesn't neglect the social components of education like
sharing, helping and learning from each other [4].

The aim of the education activity of FSFE is furthering Free Software
in all education related activities and institutions. In accordance
with FSFE's self conception [0], we want to bring Free Software in
education on the political agenda across all European country
borders and inform administrations, teachers, students/pupils and
their parents about the benefits Free Software provides. We also want
to foster communication and cooperation among these groups as well as
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Christian Bernard | 3 Feb 11:25 2011
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Information request

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Florian Weimer | 5 Feb 21:47 2011
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Re: Can WebM already be called an open standard?

* J. B. Nicholson-Owens:

> micu wrote:
>> But what would you say: Can criterion 4 (managed and further developed
>> independently of any single vendor in aw process open to the equal
>> participation of competitors and third parties) already be identified to
>> be true?
>
> I think I don't understand what criterion 4 is meant to address nor do I 
> see how an unencumbered from-scratch implementation would not qualify as 
> satisfying criterion 4.

Another implementation does not change and improve the standard.
The standard remains unchanged.

IMHP, the whole concept is probably quite pointless.  After all, C# is
an open standard, but Emacs Lisp is not.  And neither are TeX nor
LaTeX.  To me, it doesn't seem to be a useful category to think in.
micu | 7 Feb 20:46 2011
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European Parliament starts free software user group

FYI --- cool stuff:

> One member of the European Parliament and a handful of their advisors
> and assistants started a free software group last Saturday, aiming
> to increase the use of free and open source software in the European
> Parliament's IT infrastructure.

/via https://identi.ca/notice/63920577
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Nicolas JEAN | 8 Feb 15:04 2011
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Re: RFC for FSFE Edu-Team mission statement

Hi Guido,
Already a very nice job!!
Here under are some comments.

On 01/02/2011 23:15, Guido Arnold wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Although the Edu-Team has been active again, there was no consistent
> answer to the question what exactly we are aiming for and how we plan
> to get there. So, we started working on our mission statement and came
> up with a first draft. 
>
> You are warmly invited to provide us with any kind of input for
> improvements!
>
> --------------------
> FSFE Edu-Team Mission Statement:
>
> With the increasing usage of Information technology, software
> knowledgeability [1] has become a key skill in modern society. At almost
> all levels [2], pupils and students are taught how to use computers and
> deal with software.
>
> We believe [3] Free Software is the best choice

the best choice for whom, for what?

> as it encourages schooling
> of understanding over product schooling, upholds the scientific
> principles and doesn't neglect the social components of education like
> sharing, helping and learning from each other [4].
>
> The aim of the education activity of FSFE is furthering

[native speaker needed] "the furthering"? "to further"?

>  Free Software
> in all education related activities and institutions. In accordance
> with FSFE's self conception [0], we want to bring Free Software in
> education on the political agenda across all European country
> borders and inform administrations, teachers, students/pupils and
> their parents about the benefits Free Software provides. We also want
> to foster communication and cooperation among these groups as well as
> with the developers and advocates of Free Software and their
> organisations to help them succeed. We aim for a legal framework that
> will not discriminate the use of Free Software and offer our expertise
> and advise to all parties involved.
>
> [0] http://fsfe.org/about/principles.en.html
> --------------------
>
> The footnotes point to some controversies during the drafting process.
>
> Any comment or question is welcome! There is also an editable etherpad
> version where you can integrate your suggestions right away and
> anonymous [5].
>
> Thank you for your time and help!
>
> Greetings,
>
> Guido
>
>
> [1] knowledgeability sounds weird to some people. Is there any better
>     way to express this?

Simple "knowledge"? "Education"? "know-how"? "Expertise"?

> [2] It's been suggested to replace "levels" with "educational institutions"

Other proposal: "Throughout the many years in school [at all levels], …"
> [3] delete "We believe"?
>
> [4] does this explain the WHY good enough? Any other suggestions?
>
> [5] http://edu.etherpad.fsfe.org/5

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Hi Guido,
Already a very nice job!!
Here under are some comments.

On 01/02/2011 23:15, Guido Arnold wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Although the Edu-Team has been active again, there was no consistent
> answer to the question what exactly we are aiming for and how we plan
> to get there. So, we started working on our mission statement and came
> up with a first draft. 
>
> You are warmly invited to provide us with any kind of input for
> improvements!
>
> --------------------
> FSFE Edu-Team Mission Statement:
>
> With the increasing usage of Information technology, software
> knowledgeability [1] has become a key skill in modern society. At almost
> all levels [2], pupils and students are taught how to use computers and
> deal with software.
>
> We believe [3] Free Software is the best choice

the best choice for whom, for what?

> as it encourages schooling
> of understanding over product schooling, upholds the scientific
> principles and doesn't neglect the social components of education like
> sharing, helping and learning from each other [4].
>
> The aim of the education activity of FSFE is furthering

[native speaker needed] "the furthering"? "to further"?

>  Free Software
> in all education related activities and institutions. In accordance
> with FSFE's self conception [0], we want to bring Free Software in
> education on the political agenda across all European country
> borders and inform administrations, teachers, students/pupils and
> their parents about the benefits Free Software provides. We also want
> to foster communication and cooperation among these groups as well as
> with the developers and advocates of Free Software and their
> organisations to help them succeed. We aim for a legal framework that
> will not discriminate the use of Free Software and offer our expertise
> and advise to all parties involved.
>
> [0] http://fsfe.org/about/principles.en.html
> --------------------
>
> The footnotes point to some controversies during the drafting process.
>
> Any comment or question is welcome! There is also an editable etherpad
> version where you can integrate your suggestions right away and
> anonymous [5].
>
> Thank you for your time and help!
>
> Greetings,
>
> Guido
>
>
> [1] knowledgeability sounds weird to some people. Is there any better
>     way to express this?

Simple "knowledge"? "Education"? "know-how"? "Expertise"?

> [2] It's been suggested to replace "levels" with "educational institutions"

Other proposal: "Throughout the many years in school [at all levels], …"
> [3] delete "We believe"?
>
> [4] does this explain the WHY good enough? Any other suggestions?
>
> [5] http://edu.etherpad.fsfe.org/5

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Sam Tuke | 10 Feb 13:34 2011
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Re: RFC for FSFE Edu-Team mission statement

On Tuesday 01 February 2011 22:15:09 Guido Arnold wrote:
> Any comment or question is welcome! There is also an editable etherpad
> version where you can integrate your suggestions right away and
> anonymous [5].

My edit, taking into accounts Guido's recommendations (tracked on etherpad, 
with comments):

With the increasing usage of Information technology, software competency has 
become a key skill in modern society. In the overwhelming majority of sectors 
and industries [see #2], students of all ages require strong IT skills to 
become employable, productive, and competitive.

Free Software applications provide the best tools for educators as they foster 
transferrable skills and concepts based upon international standards, rather 
than familiarity with individual products from particular vendors. Free 
Software in education upholds scientific principles of participation, 
collaboration and peer review, and in doing so develops additional learning 
skills by sharing knowledge and achievements amogst students.

The goal of FSFE's Education Team is to bring the benefits of Free Software to 
all education related activities and institutions. In accordance with FSFE's 
Self Conception [0], we shall bring the use of Free Software in education to 
political agendas across European borders, and inform administrations, 
teachers, students and their carers about the benefits Free Software provides.

We shall foster communication and cooperation among these groups, and 
establish and extend dialogue between them and Free Software developers and 
advocates. We shall establish a legal framework that shall prohibit 
discriminate against Free Software and it's users, and make available FSFE's 
extensive expertise to all parties involved.

[0] http://fsfe.org/about/principles.en.html

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Free Software Foundation Europe
IM : samtuke <at> jabber.fsfe.org
Guido Arnold | 11 Feb 16:20 2011
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Re: Re: RFC for FSFE Edu-Team mission statement

Hello Sam,

Thanks for your version! I'm glad to see a native English speaker
working on it :) 

Also thanks to Nico for his comments. I think all remarks are covered
and changed with this version, or did I miss something?

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:34:40PM +0000, Sam Tuke wrote:
> 
> My edit, taking into accounts Guido's recommendations (tracked on etherpad, 
> with comments):
> 
> With the increasing usage of Information technology, software competency has 
> become a key skill in modern society. In the overwhelming majority of sectors 
> and industries [see #2], students of all ages require strong IT skills to 
> become employable, productive, and competitive.

In etherpad, you noted:
  "knowledgeability sounds weird" : I agree. A foreign concept like
   this shouldn't be in the first sentence, IMO.

Does your "foreign concept" refer to the word "knowledgeability" or
do you suggest to change whole sentence or move it somewhere else?

> advocates. We shall establish a legal framework that shall prohibit 
> discriminate against Free Software and it's users, and make available FSFE's 

The only change I made after Sam's edit was to replace "discriminate"
with "discrimination". 

The draft can still be edited here until end of February:
http://edu.etherpad.fsfe.org/5

Greetings,

Guido
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edu <at> fsfeurope.org
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Sam Tuke | 11 Feb 16:44 2011
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Re: Re: RFC for FSFE Edu-Team mission statement

On Friday 11 February 2011 15:20:34 Guido Arnold wrote:
> In etherpad, you noted:
>   "knowledgeability sounds weird" : I agree. A foreign concept like
>    this shouldn't be in the first sentence, IMO.
> 
> Does your "foreign concept" refer to the word "knowledgeability" or
> do you suggest to change whole sentence or move it somewhere else?

Just the word knowledgeability, and by foreign I just meant that it may not be 
a word / idea that's familiar to some people.

> The only change I made after Sam's edit was to replace "discriminate"
> with "discrimination".

Well spotted :)

Sam.

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micu | 13 Feb 01:24 2011
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The Microsoft-Nokia deal is a serious setback for free software in general


Hello together, 

I bet you already heard about the Microsoft-Nokia deal and about Nokia's 
new strategy of using Microsoft Windows Phone 7 as their major (and in 
fact only) smartphone OS instead of the free software OS MeeGo. You 
might say now "But we still have Android in the mobile sector" --- and 
you are partly right. I do not dislike Android. But Android cannot do 
what MeeGo could (have done): creating a free software ecosystem ranging 
from the desktop, to netbooks, tablets, embedded systems (e.g. in cars), 
and smartphones = pushing free software to the end user mainstream.

See: <http://www.micuintus.de/2011/02/12/the-death-of-the/>

BTW: Did you know that the new trojan Nokia CEO, Stephen Elop, is the 
7th biggest owner of MS stock? 3.18 Miollion $! http://mge.bz/3f Is he 
working for Nokia or is he working for Microsoft?

Kind regards
micu
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Timo Juhani Lindfors | 13 Feb 09:59 2011
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Re: The Microsoft-Nokia deal is a serious setback for free software in general

micu <micuintus@...> writes:
> BTW: Did you know that the new trojan Nokia CEO, Stephen Elop, is the 
> 7th biggest owner of MS stock? 3.18 Miollion $! http://mge.bz/3f Is he 
> working for Nokia or is he working for Microsoft?

A Finnish newspaper says that this is due to a law that forbids the use
of inside information when buying company shares:

    "Arvopaperimarkkinalaki eli pörssilaki kieltää yhtiön
     sisäpiiriläisiä käyttämästä hyväkseen julkistamatonta
     sisäpiirintietoa omissa kaupoissaan. Nokiassa on tulkittu, että
     Elopin suunnittelema Nokian strategiamuutos oli sisäpiirintietoa
     viime perjantaihin asti."

-- http://www.hs.fi/talous/artikkeli/Nokia+P%C3%B6rssilaki+esti+Stephen+Elopin+Nokia-ostot/1135263769613/

I think the law that they are referring to is

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1989/19890495

which has an English translation at

http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/1989/en19890495

"CHAPTER 5 (13.5.2005/297)
Provisions on market abuse
Inside information
Section 1 (26.10.2007/923)
Inside information shall mean information of a precise nature relating
to a security subject to public
trading or to multilateral trading which has not been made public or
which otherwise has not been
available in the markets and which is likely to have a material effect
on the value of the said security.
The provisions of subsection 1 shall also apply to a security:
    1) which is subject to trading corresponding to public trading in
    another EEA Member State;
    2) the admission to public trading or to trading corresponding
    thereto in another EEA Member
        State of which has been applied for; or
    3) the value of which is determined on the basis of a security
    subject to public trading or to multi-
        lateral trading or on the basis of a security referred to in
        subsection 1 or 2.
"
...


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