Re: hosting the video (Re: transcript of Stallman's GPLv3 talk today (FOSDEM))

Someone has put another video of the talk online:
ftp://ftp.belnet.be/pub/mirror/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2006-GPL.avi

It's half the size of my video, and much greater quality, so I won't bother
trying to get mine online.

Also, there are recordings of other talks from FOSDEM in that directory:
ftp://ftp.belnet.be/pub/mirror/FOSDEM/

Unfortunately I don't see a recording of Stallman's software patents talk
there, which is strange.

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Re: FDL again, was: My concerns about GPLv3 process

Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
>    You have repeatedly shown why _in_your_opinion_ invariant sections
>    make sense, without touching on the problems (fwiw, I think they
>    make sense, but the problems outweight the benetis).
> 
> I don't see them as problems, I have repeatedly explained why they are
> not problems and have repatedly stated that I do not see these issues
> as problems.

I can't see where you addressed the specific concerns that were raised
in the scenario of Alessandro and Frank: someone takes my FDL-licensed
document and adds some useful chapters to it, together with an invariant
section saying something that I find disrespectful or wrong, or that
makes the document illegal in some parts of the world (as pointed out by
MJR). What freedom do I have at this point? I see two basic options:
either (i) ignore the contributions or (ii) include them, but only
together with the new, unwanted invariant. Since (ii) is not an option,
I have to choose (i). I have to accept then that someone might profit
from my work but I cannot profit from his/her modifications and
additions to this work (which doesn't seem to be in the spirit of
Copyleft to me). Where did you address this specific problem that
someone deliberately adds an invariant section with some obviously
offensive remarks about his/her relation to the document in order to
keep anyone else from reusing added or modified parts of the document?

> It is exactly the same scenario of combining a GPLed
> work with a work which is licensed under an license which is
> incompatible with the GPL.  Both of which are free software.

Huh? I don't see what's in common between these scenarios. In the

Re: hosting the video (Re: transcript of Stallman's GPLv3 talk today (FOSDEM))

Ciaran O'Riordan <ciaran@...> wrote:
> Unfortunately I don't see a recording of Stallman's software patents talk
> there, which is strange.

Here is another source of FOSDEM 2006 recordings including the software
patents talk:
http://free-electrons.com/community/videos/conferences/en

Cheers,
Bjoern

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 shoulders of giants."                                   -- Isaac Newton

Ciaran O'Riordan <ciaran@...> wrote:
> Unfortunately I don't see a recording of Stallman's software patents talk
> there, which is strange.

Here is another source of FOSDEM 2006 recordings including the software
patents talk:
http://free-electrons.com/community/videos/conferences/en

Cheers,
Bjoern

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 shoulders of giants."                                   -- Isaac Newton

Politics and Ideology of "Intellectual Property" and the Knowledge Commons, Brussels, March 20-21

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Ecommerce] The Politics and Ideology of intellectual
property and the knowledge commons, Brussels, March 20-21
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:33:02 +0100
From: James Love <james.love@...>
To: ecommerce <ecommerce@...>

The Trans Atlantic Consumer Dialogue (TACD) is hosting a 2 day
workshop in Brussels on March 20-21.
http://www.tacd.org/docs/?id=286)

The subject is:

THE POLITICS AND IDEOLOGY OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND THE
KNOWLEDGE COMMONS

The event is open to the public.  Pre-registration is required,
but free.  For more information about event, contact Ben Wallis
(bwallis@...), in the TACD Secretariat.

The program agenda and the list of speakers and panel chairs
follows:

Date: March 20-21, 2006
Venue: Hotel Renaissance, Rue du Parnasse 19, Brussels

DRAFT AGENDA, version 3.3

          DAY ONE - March 20

FSF Europe Newsletter

1. Gareth Bowker joins General Assembly of FSFE
2. Free Knowledge Foundation associates with FSFE
3. UN Consultations on Internet Governance Forum (IGF)
4. UN WIPO: Provisional Committee on a Development Agenda (PCDA)
5. FSFE's office moves to Düsseldorf
6. Second Fellowship meeting in Berlin
7. Microsoft antitrust case: 2 million EUR per day
8. FSFE at FOSDEM
9. FSFE organises SWPAT roundtable in Brussels
10. Fellowship: Get a 3 month LWN subscription and win a notebook!

1. Gareth Bowker joins General Assembly of FSFE

After Gareth Bowker has been working in the FSFE Team for a long time,
the Free Software Foundation Europe is glad to announce that he has
joined the general assembly. With this step, Gareth has committed
himself to the work of FSFE in the long term and agreed to accept legal
and political responsibility for FSFE's work.

His dedication strengthens FSFE's role within the United Kingdom and
is warmly welcomed by everyone in the Team.

2. Free Knowledge Foundation associates with FSFE

The Free Knowledge Foundation, a Spanish non-profit organisation, has
become the first FSFE associate organisation in Spain. Both FKF and
FSFE are looking forward to a close cooperation and many fruitful
projects. Together with FKF, the next step will be to build up the
Spanish Team for FSFE.

Re: FDL again, was: My concerns about GPLv3 process

   > >  difference between dedications and a list of copyright
   > >  holders?
   > 
   > Again, I suggest you read what was written.  I did not claim that they
   > are exactly the same, just that they are not different enough to
   > warrant differentiation.

   Did you disagree with the FSF campaign against the BSD dedications?
   http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html FDL seems far more extreme.

The BSD license is for software, the FDL is for documentation.  Using
the BSD license with dedications for manuals would be OK.  Using the
same license for software would not.

Re: Debian and non-free (Re: Savannah rejects a project because it uses GPL)

   > The Debian project clearly is inventing what is `free' by
   > extrapolating the rights for `Free Software' to all branches of
   > digital content.

   As I'm sure I've written before, Debian does not do that.

ftp.debian.org/.../non-free seems to disprove this claim quite well.

Do Not Ask The Butcher To Protect The Lamb

GPLv3 - Further Step Towards An Orwellian Society?:

Remarks On Software Licensing.

No-one should use a right against an other one, if he
hadn't a harm caused by this violation, even if the
other one violated his right.

The reason is, that rights - and laws denying or
granting them - are no values by them-self, but derived
from the interest to live in peace and without harm.

If there is no harm, you should not start a legal
strive. Respectively: if there are big harms and some
minor - to say mince - one, you should address the big
harm, not the mince, not to lose your creditability.

Certainly we all get harm from undisclosed software, it
dangers us, threatens us, takes our dignity. But what
is harmful here at the first stake, that are not small
companies using free software without declaring it
properly, but the big one, forcing us to accept human
right violation disguised as licenses.

We have the right to know, what we are doing with our
computers, because we are held to be responsible for
it.

So we should address the big one with complaints and not
the smallest, weakest and less harmful violators.

Re: Do Not Ask The Butcher To Protect The Lamb

On 14-Mar-2006, Andreas Roehler wrote:
> No-one should use a right against an other one, if he hadn't a harm
> caused by this violation, even if the other one violated his right.
> 
> The reason is, that rights - and laws denying or granting them - are
> no values by them-self, but derived from the interest to live in
> peace and without harm.
> 
> If there is no harm, you should not start a legal strive.

This is tautological. Every party bringing legal suit does so on the
basis that they have suffered harm. We have no process above the legal
process to determine what harm, if any, was done.

> Respectively: if there are big harms and some minor - to say mince -
> one, you should address the big harm, not the mince, not to lose
> your creditability.

This is a good criterion to choose between addressing specific harms.
Another is to address harms that have a relatively high probability of
being resolved favourably.

> Certainly we all get harm from undisclosed software, it dangers us,
> threatens us, takes our dignity.

Primarily, it prevents us from helping ourselves and helping others.

> But what is harmful here at the first stake, that are not small
> companies using free software without declaring it properly, but the
> big one, forcing us to accept human right violation disguised as

FSF Europe at LinuxTag 2006

Hi all,

LinuxTag [1], one of the most important events around Free Software and
business in Europe, will take place from 3rd to 6th of May, 2006 in
Wiesbaden (Germany).

Like in the previous years, the FSF Europe will be present with a booth
at LinuxTag 2006. To man the booths, we are looking for volunteers
and/or Fellowship members interested in Free Software and support of the
FSF Europe.

The main work will be to answer questions and to involve visitors in
interesting discussions related to many aspects of Free Software. We
will sell T-Shirts and something like that in our merchandising zone,
too. And we are planning to present the Crypto card currently used
within the Fellowship, as well as the Fellowship itself.

Please give me a short note, if you are interested to help us. A short
statement about the time frame in which you would prefer to help us
would be a good idea, too.

Thanks,
Volker

Footnotes:
[1]  http://www.linuxtag.org

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