Mark Hinds | 7 Jul 2002 19:49
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Slashdot | Commerce Dep't to Hold Public Workshop on DRM

Seems there's an opportunity for public commentary somewhere
at the Commerce Deptartment about DRM.

<http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/02/07/07/0522219.shtml?tid=172>
Seth Johnson | 8 Jul 2002 06:05
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Re: Slashdot | Commerce Dep't to Hold Public Workshop on DRM


LOL

They're gonna Slashdot the meeting!

I wonder how many of them will go?

\:-)

Seth Johnson

Mark Hinds wrote:
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> Seems there's an opportunity for public commentary somewhere
> at the Commerce Deptartment about DRM.
> 
> <http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/02/07/07/0522219.shtml?tid=172>
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Matthew Caron | 7 Jul 2002 17:55
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Palladium patent

http://cryptome.org/ms-drm-os.htm

Cryptome has the MS DRM OS patent.

A few thoughts:

1.) They seem to have patented the concept of "reduced user
functionality to protect copyright holders"

2.) By patenting a DRM OS, and then effectively mandating the use of a
DRM OS in order to do any type of online commerce and so forth, they are
effectively establishing a monopoly (witness the "I run windows so I can
run word because everyone else runs word, and yet I continue to send
things as word docs thus perpetuating windows hegemony" cycle. Possible
antitrust violation?
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Seth Johnson | 8 Jul 2002 08:29
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Re: Palladium patent


See the bit I wrote on it when the news first came out, back
in December:

> http://cryptome.org/ms-drmos-sj.htm

Seth Johnson

Matthew Caron wrote:
> 
> http://cryptome.org/ms-drm-os.htm
> 
> Cryptome has the MS DRM OS patent.
> 
> A few thoughts:
> 
> 1.) They seem to have patented the concept of "reduced
> user functionality to protect copyright holders"
> 
> 2.) By patenting a DRM OS, and then effectively
> mandating the use of a DRM OS in order to do any type
> of online commerce and so forth, they are effectively
> establishing a monopoly (witness the "I run windows
> so I can run word because everyone else runs word, and
> yet I continue to send things as word docs thus
> perpetuating windows hegemony" cycle. Possible
> antitrust violation?
> --
> No one should use [MS] Windows anymore, I've gotten so spoiled by
> not using it that it just drives me up the wall now.
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Serge Wroclawski | 8 Jul 2002 12:50
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Re: Slashdot | Commerce Dep't to Hold Public Workshop on DRM

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Seth Johnson wrote:

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> LOL
>
> They're gonna Slashdot the meeting!
>
> I wonder how many of them will go?

I was thinking of going there, possibly with another Gnudist.

Also, RMS will be in town durring that time- I know he's concerned about
this issue- so he may be there as well.

- Serge Wroclawski
B. Galliart | 9 Jul 2002 07:23

Rep. Boucher Outlines 'Fair Use' Fight

  Slashdot has just discovered Rep. Rick Boucher (D-VA) via an article on
AtNewYork.com.  (DigitalSpeech.org has had him as a good guy on the "Who's
Who" page and lists a link to a C|Net article on him from May 1).

"Rep. Boucher Outlines 'Fair Use' Fight"  <at> 
  http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/1381471

More information on the Music Online Competition Act  <at> 
  http://www.house.gov/boucher/moca-page.htm

*Some* of the highlights from the AtNewYork.com article:

"he is introducing a bill that would essentially restrict the record
industry from selling copy-protected CDs"

"also said he would introduce a bill within the week that would update the
U.S. Copyright Office's Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel (CARP), which
he has criticized as being mired in outdated laws that tilt against
Webcasters"

"he said [copy-protected CDs] introduction wouldn't even impact the music
piracy the music industry is trying to stop."

"he would introduce legislation that would essentially codify 'fair use'
provisions of copyright law (that have been implied but not necessarily
guaranteed)."

"also wants to ease up some of the more copy-restrictive provisions of the
1998 Digital Milennium Copyright Act"
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Seth Johnson | 10 Jul 2002 19:14
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DC 7/17: Tactic


What will be the nature of the tactic?

What will be our objectives?

Will we present a statement, seek an audience with some
honcho, seek to speak at the panel?

Will we wear pithy slogans on T-shirts?

Seth

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Jay Sulzberger | 10 Jul 2002 19:45
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Re: [fairuse-discuss] DC 7/17: Tactic


On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Seth Johnson wrote:

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>
> What will be the nature of the tactic?

Let us submit at least one statement.

Let us ask, before Friday, to speak.

>
> What will be our objectives?

To present a serious defense of our right to private ownership and private
use of computers.  In addition, some of us will wish to emphasize the "fair
use and commons vs. closures" salient of our side's argument.

>
> Will we present a statement, seek an audience with some
> honcho, seek to speak at the panel?

All of these.

>
> Will we wear pithy slogans on T-shirts?
>
> Seth

I'll wear a black suit with my black tie.
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Seth Johnson | 10 Jul 2002 18:37
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DC 7/17: Public Workshop on Digital Entertainment and "Rights Management"


Particulars of a Commerce Department "Public Workshop" on
digital restrictions management this July 17th are pasted
below.

I am going to this thing.  Who else?

Hands up.  I've heard from Jay Sulzberger, Richard Stallman
and Ruben Safir.  Kevin Marks wishes he could, but he's
across the continent.

Let me know, and I'll build the cc list or make a discussion
group.

I just called the number in the notice.  The woman who
answered gave me the following list of panelists, which is
not listed on the site.  I am not sure of the spelling on
these, and that may go so far as mishearing consonants:

  - Vic McCleary
  - JACK!
  - Rhett Dawson
  - Joe Tasker
  - Mitch Glazier
  - John Potter
  - Stewart Verdery

She asked if I had looked at the website when I asked for
the industry affiliations of these participants.  I said I
would look and might call back.  I found nothing further
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Kevin Marks | 10 Jul 2002 21:44
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Re: DC 7/17: Tactic

I'm going to send a response to their website at some point tonight, and 
will copy it here.

Key issues:

DRM destroys value, and is futile due to Church-Turing

Markets don't work without trust (as Bush said yesterday). Trust your 
customers.

No more consumers - digits don't get consumed.

Outline for a fair workable digital marketplace up at 
http://mediagora.com

There are lots fo good references on my other weblog too 
http://epeus.blogspot.com

http://epeus.blogspot.com/2002_05_01_epeus_archive.html#85122582

On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 10:14 AM, Seth Johnson wrote:

>
> What will be the nature of the tactic?
>
> What will be our objectives?
>
> Will we present a statement, seek an audience with some
> honcho, seek to speak at the panel?
>
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