Kim Tucker | 3 May 2013 16:56
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Update and reinstate CC SA 1.0 or debug and launch Libre Puro Licence (was re Attribution and forbidding accurate credit)

Hi all,

I have changed the subject as this is turning into a separate thread (or two!).

Anthony:

You are right the changes required from SA 1.0 to 4.0 seem to be minimal.

If _nothing_ substantial needs to be changed, then the recommendation
not to use the license here -
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sa/1.0/ - can simply be removed.

Regarding what specifically needs to change in CC SA 1.0, see this
draft on the wiki which illustrates a draft SA 4.0 matching the draft
3s of the other 4.0 licenses:
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC_SA_4.0

Comment welcome.

> I guess you could call it [Libre Puro License] copyleft
> if you trust whoever defines "the Libre Knowledge Definition"
> to always properly define copyleft.

> I don't.

> Also, the really drastic difference between
> SA-1.0 and LPL is that LPL lets you add restrictions,
> so long as they're restrictions which are signed off
> by the people who define the LKD.
> SA-1.0 doesn't allow you to add restrictions.
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Alexander Genaud | 3 May 2013 01:37
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Attribution: accurate credit should not be forbidden

Kim Tucker, right on! CC SA 4.0 would be an honest,
practical and free license attempting to preserve
that same freedom downstream (copyleft). Additionally
CC 4.0 would avoid the embarrassing ambiguity and
legal tap dancing required to both enforce (BY)
and deny (CC0) irrevocable moral rights in the
commons and public domain.

Anthony> If people want to use SA 1.0 (and there aren't
Anthony> that many that do), nothing is stopping them.

Perception is a powerful thing. Indeed it is the basis
for our entire subjective reality. In what way would a
curious or typical individual discover the CC SA 1.0?

   Allow modifications of your work?
      [Yes, as long as others share alike]

   Allow commercial uses of your work?
      [Yes]

   ---> CC BY-SA
      (APPROVED FOR Free Cultural Works)

It can easily be argued that attribution as stated in CC BY
and CC BY-SA is almost never intend, neither by consumers
nor producers of content, beyond international moral norms.
The BY clause requires:

  Restrictions 4(c)
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Kat Walsh | 26 Apr 2013 00:26

Draft 3 Regional Call notes are published

The notes from the Draft 3 regional calls are now up on the wiki at


The following topics were covered in each call, with initial overviews of the issues as published in Draft 3 provided by CC HQ (which are summarized briefly here, and included in more detail alongside affiliate comments on the wiki page):

    Using this public license:

This new section is not part of the license, but provides important reminders and information for licensors and licensees. We were inspired to create this new section as a result of an earlier proposal to reintroduce representations and warranties on the part of the licensor.

    License interpretation

This provision is designed to provide some predictability for licensors and licensees about how the license operates. This clause is only intended to govern a determination as to infringement, and leaves to the relevant authority the ability to conclude which law applies to other matters.

    License grant: scope

This draft utilizes slightly different terminology and defined terms, but the categories of rights being licensed remain unchanged: copyright, neighboring rights and SGDRs. The change in draft 3 is that the license grant no longer states an exhaustive list of things the licensee is allowed to do.

    Treatment of licensor's publicity and privacy rights

Publicity and privacy rights are now treated like moral rights -- they are waived or not asserted to the extent necessary for the licensee to exercise the licensed rights. 

    Attribution and marking

In draft 3, licensees must indicate if they have modified a work, and if so include link to the original. This is now the only time a link is required for attribution.

    Treatment of sui generis database rights

The license grants permission to do things that implicate SGDRs. The license grant includes using and sharing a substantial portion of database contents as an example so that licensees have no doubt that permission is granted. Including SGDRs in the license will only have an effect in jurisdictions where those rights are enacted. 

    NonCommercial

No change to the name of NC; we may include "Commercial Rights Reserved" in other messaging.

    Licensing of adaptations under BY and BY-NC

We have made it explicit how you can license adaptations under BY and BY-NC. If you can comply with the CC license and the terms of whatever license applied to the adaptation, then it is allowed. 

    Creative Commons Compatible License: definition, inclusion in BY-NC-SA

The definition of "Creative Commons Compatible License" has been changed in d3 to remove the two-way requirement. We think it’s possible to allow one-way compatibility, but we need a community discussion on this. The second change is that we have included this definition in BY-NC-SA also. 

    TPMs and permission to circumvent

This new express permission allows circumvention only of those effective technological measures applied by the licensor. The license can't give permission to break third party TPMs because they aren't a party to the license. 

    Termination and cure period

CC licenses have always had an automatic termination upon breach. In draft 3, there is now a mechanism for licensees to get their rights reinstated automatically: they have 30 days to correct the violation and get new rights under the license without having to contact the licensor. 

    Other topics 

Porting: We want to reduce to the greatest extent possible the need for porting due to legal needs, and have provided a means to comment on the draft publicly. We will not be prohibiting porting. We will, however, be insisting that any affiliate team requesting to port demonstrate a legal need or another compelling purpose.

Deed: Once legal code is finalized, we will turn to the deed and other implementation matters. We may have a separate deed for 4.0 and leave the existing deed for 3.0 and prior. We will also consider what should be on the deed in terms of priorities.

Pending 3.0 ports: We have four ports of 3.0 still moving forward. One of those is the intergovernmental port, which contains an alternative dispute resolution provision. 

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Heather Morrison | 4 Apr 2013 19:07
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NoDerivs and Sharealike are not opposites; should be a ND-SA option

The current license choosers force a choice between NoDerivs and Sharealike. These are not opposites, and
there are occasions when it makes sense to include both elements. For example, if an article is published
it might be reused as a whole work in a larger work (e.g. a chapter in a book), in which case the author might
want both ND and SA.

Could this be addressed in the Version 4.0 license round? I'm not sure if this is a legal matter or a question
of how the license chooser is set up.

best,

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mezzanine | 22 Feb 2013 07:29

The GPLv2, GPLv3 and disallowing DRM

Though there may or may not be much more to say about allowing DRM in
the case of the CC 4.0 licenses, the following may be of interest. In
the case of the GPLv3, the parts that are likely to come to mind on
DRM are section 3 ("Protecting Users' Legal Rights From Anti-
Circumvention Law.") which specifies that GPLv3-licensed works shall
not be "deemed part of an effective technological measure" and
specifies that licensees can circumvent DRM on a GPLv3-licensed work
if needed to exercise rights allowed under the GPLv3, and also section
6 ("Conveying Non-Source Forms.") which requires for consumer devices
that incorporate GPLv3-licensed works that users be able to install
and run modified versions of the GPLv3-licensed works.

At the same time, it appears that the GPLv3 (and also GPLv2) disallow
the applying of certain DRM to covered works. In the GPLv3, section 10
("Automatic Licensing of Downstream Recipients.") specifies that among
other things "You may not impose any further restrictions on the
exercise of the rights granted or affirmed under this License." In the
GPLv2, section 6 specifies that "You may not impose any further
restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted
herein." among other things. This section in GPLv2 has been
interpreted to mean (from what one can tell) that GPLv2-licensed works
cannot be distributed in a manner that causes a recipient to receive a
DRM-restricted copy of the GPL-licensed binary (such as an encrypted
binary that can only be run on approved devices) even if source code
is available separately. (In the case of certain distribution
channels, there may be contractual restrictions that are incompatible
with GPLv2/GPLv3, in addition to any technical DRM.)

The following may be of interest:
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement
http://trac.adium.im/ticket/14914
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DRMProhibited

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Francesco Poli | 16 Feb 2013 17:47

TPM: please (explicitly) allow parallel distribution

Hello again,
Section 2(a)(4) of CC-by-sa-v4.0draft3 states:

[...]
>      4. No additional or different terms; no sublicensing. Every
>         recipient of the Licensed Material or Adapted Material
>         automatically receives an offer from the Licensor to exercise
>         the Licensed Rights under the terms and conditions of this
>         Public License. You may not offer or impose any additional or
>         different terms or conditions on, or apply any effective
>         technological measures to, the Licensed Material or Adapted
>         Material that prevent any such recipient from exercising the
>         Licensed Rights.
[...]

The last part is the infamous anti-DRM (or anti-TPM, if you prefer)
clause, probably the most controversial part of CC-v3.0 licenses.
Unfortunately, it does not seem to have changed significantly,
apart from the (good) addition of a permission to circumvent
in Section 2(a)(3).

An identical clause is included in the draft3 of CC-by-v4.0.

Once again, I strongly recommend that this clause be enhanced, so that
it *explicitly* allows parallel distribution.

See my previous message [1] about the same issue in draft2.

[1] http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-licenses/2012-August/007108.html

I hope parallel distribution may be allowed in the next draft.

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Kat Walsh | 18 Mar 2013 22:12

Minor wording change in NonCommercial definition

As we previously decided, we will not be changing the definition or
the name of NonCommercial in 4.0; the discussion is summarized at
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/4.0/NonCommercial. However, there is a
small change to the wording of the definition in Draft 3 that we want
to point out.

The definition now reads “not primarily intended for or directed
towards commercial advantage or monetary compensation" instead of “not
primarily intended for or directed towards commercial advantage or
private monetary compensation": the word "private" has been removed.

This is not intended to be a change in the substance of the
definition. It was pointed out to us that "private" was redundant and
possibly confusing there, so we've removed it. This should not change
the way NC functions--however, if you think this does result in a
substantive change to the NC definition, please let us know!

Thanks,
Kat

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Luis Villa | 8 Mar 2013 08:08

Some minor drafting nitpicks

I assigned an intern in my office to read d3 this week, and
(unprompted) she said "4.0 is so much easier to read and understand
than 3.0!" So kudos on a significantly improved license from a
drafting/clarity/comprehensibility perspective!

That said, allow me to offer some (hopefully final) nitpicks to make
the final product as good as can be.

[All section #s are from BY-SA draft 3.]

- To be consistent with 3(a)(1), 5(b), and 6(c), 2(a) should probably
use : and ;.

- I would suggest using 1.1, 1.1.1, etc. as a numbering scheme instead
of the traditional but awkward 3(a)(1)(A) scheme. Typography for
Lawyers discusses some of the downsides of the traditional manner on
p. 106-107, but admittedly that is not the strongest section of that
book.

- Sec. 5(b): Should all rights granted under Sec. 2(a) be reinstated,
not just the right to use?

- Sec. 5(d): If the license terminates, doesn't Sec. 3 still remain in
force for any Sharing done by the violator? i.e., you can't get out of
those obligations simply by violating the license.

[Also, if that is true, then it might clarify 5(a) to say "the rights
granted to You under Sec. 2 of this Public License are terminated
automatically" rather than the more legalistic "Public license
terminates automatically as to You".]

Thanks!
Luis
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Diane Peters | 7 Mar 2013 02:11

CC 4.0 Discussion Prompt: License Interpretation

Greetings,

This is the final discussion prompt seeking targeted feedback on draft 3 of 4.0.  Here, we highlight the question of license interpretation.  (Fair warning, this is a lengthy though important email.)

The 4.0 versioning process provides an opportunity to clarify how the licenses operate and what law governs the scope and exercise of the rights granted. Providing this certainty would benefit licensors as well as those using CC-licensed material who want to know whether their particular use is regulated by the license.  While we have taken pains in drafting 4.0 to clarify the licenses’ operation, we refrained from introducing a definitive license interpretation clause in drafts 1 or 2.

In draft 3 we introduce the following provision, found in Section 7(a):
 
Interpretation of this Public License shall be made with reference to Copyright and Similar Rights in effect where You use the Licensed Material unless applicable international law provides otherwise.  For the avoidance of doubt, this Public License does not, and shall not be interpreted to, reduce, limit, restrict or impose conditions on any use of the Licensed Material that would otherwise be free of restrictions or conditions.

Background

The key requirement of any interpretation provision is that it properly account for (and not undermine) the intended operation of our licenses.  CC licenses are designed to apply and be activated when, and only when, an underlying, exclusive right held by the creator exists and applies to the particular use.  We have always crafted our licenses to operate as licenses, even though interpreted as contracts in some jurisdictions.  The licenses grant permission when permission is necessary and impose conditions only when that permission is necessary and exercised.  Our licenses sit atop the uneven, disharmonized international legal landscape.  They are not designed to level that landscape by imposing conditions in the absence of an underlying applicable right.

Given the variations among legal systems around the world, CC licenses necessarily operate differently depending on the law that applies to use of the licensed material.  Any interpretation clause must preserve and reinforce that operating principle.  

For license version 4.0, we have considered two main options:

remain silent and stay the course of earlier license versions[FN1], leaving licensors and licensees to discern for themselves what rules apply, and leaving courts (were it to come to that) to make that determination based on national conflicts of law rules;[FN2] or

introduce an interpretation provision establishing a default that specifies either how applicable law is determined or the particular law that applies.

Considerations

There are pros and cons to both approaches.  In draft 3 of 4.0, we have chosen the second option and specified a default that is also the dominant and well-accepted rule of interpretation applied in the copyright context – the law in effect where the material is used. 

This choice is a result of several considerations:

(1)  Foremost, this is the widely accepted and most meaningful rule for both licensors and licensees.  It is applied in the absence of a negotiated choice of law clause or another dispositive rule established by treaty or convention.  This rule respects the principle of territoriality, which provides generally that national laws are limited in their reach to activities taking place within that jurisdiction.  This rule also guards against the “exportation” of laws from one jurisdiction to another, a feature of all CC licenses.

o For example, a licensor of an unoriginal database of uncopyrightable facts published from a jurisdiction that recognizes “sweat of the brow” as a basis for granting exclusive rights ought not be able to enforce the license conditions against uses of the database or those facts by someone in a jurisdiction where those same rights are not established by national law.

(2)  This rule is fair and easily understood by licensees, reducing the chance they are surprised by or run afoul of unfamiliar laws, or they find themselves in a situation where they are unable to rely on exceptions and limitations that would otherwise apply.  

o For example, if a user downloads and uses CC-licensed copyrighted material in the United States, she ought be able to rely on the doctrine of fair use for certain uses, and not be limited to (and expected to know about) exceptions and limitations contained in copyright laws in force in other jurisdictions.

(3)  This default provides some measure of protection against forum shopping and related maneuvering that often puts licensees at a disadvantage.  Note that this default is not a forum selection clause and does not restrict licensors from choosing one forum or another, at least not any more so than they are otherwise. [FN3]

(4)  Including an interpretation clause is preferable to remaining silent if our objective is to increase certainty for licensors and licensees.  Additionally, in those rare cases where courts become involved, the default serves as a uniform starting point for interpretation, while still preserving the ability of courts to conclude that international law dictates a different result.

(5)  This default applies to the underlying copyright and similar rights only, and does not affect the potential applicability of other laws that may be relevant, such as laws bearing on the effectiveness of disclaimers offered by the licensor, whether a valid contractual relationship has been formed (in those jurisdictions where licenses are interpreted as contracts), and similar. 

(6)  This default is consistent with earlier CC license versions, reinforcing (in its second sentence) that the license should not be construed to adversely affect applicable exceptions and limitations.

We recognize this may not be the preferred solution for licensors who want to control definitively and absolutely what law and/or forum should apply.  But it is the only solution that is consistent with the design and operation of our licenses, accounts for the complexities that exist independent of the CC licenses, and provides more certainty and guidance than currently exists. [FN4]

We look forward to your thoughts on this proposal.  For more information about some of the other options considered and the reasons why we believe those unsuitable, visit our 4.0 wiki.

Diane


[FN1] The existing international (unported) versions of the licenses are silent as to the law applies or how that determination should be made.  The most relevant direction is found in Section 2 (preserving applicable exceptions and limitations) and Section 8(f) (identifying the origin of terminology and clarifying that the scope of the license should be read consistent with applicable national law).  There exist a handful of 3.0 ported licenses that contain a choice of law provision, and a single 3.0 port that contains a choice of forum provision.  

[FN2] In the absence of a choice of law provision, national courts apply conflicts of law rules of that jurisdiction to determine what law(s) apply.

[FN3] In any litigated dispute, licensors will have a limited number of choices for where to bring suit.  The doctrine of forum non conveniens is one such limitation.

[FN4]  The alternative – remaining silent – could net the same result but lacks predictability because it relies on national and regional courts to apply conflicts of law rules consistently. 
 


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Re: Compatibility with GPL and issues with availability f source

Could the simple solution be to add "provided the work also complies with any requirements of said compatible license" somewhere?

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On Wednesday 20. 02 2013 at 19.50, "Carlos Solís" wrote:


One of the topics commented for the discussion of the CC 4.0 licenses is
the option to give a one-way compatibility between the CC-By-SA and the
GPL. At a first glance, it looks like a great idea, which would allow more
intercompatibility between free licenses, but there is an issue with the
GPL's requirement to provide complete corresponding source code.

First of all, there's no consensus on what can be taken as the source code
of every license-able work. For written works, it would be the editable
file (in Word format, for example). But what about audiovisual works?
Usually those are composed by several raw files (variously named "stems",
"assets", "resources", and so on). Except for photographs (where there is
only one raw file, unedited except for the color balance), most other
works of this kind are composed themselves by several files, and the set
of commands that are used to combine them (the project file for audio and
video, the image editor's full file for images). And then there's the
question of how much must be an individual asset edited, in order to
require the release of both the original file and the commands to edit it.

Secondly, as it should be well-known, most works under CC licenses
(especially audiovisual works) don't release the source code, either
because of the size of the files, or because those files weren't preserved
at all. Also, the GPL requires that the assets and project files are "in a
format that is publicly documented (and with an implementation available
to the public in source code form), and must require no special password
or key for unpacking, reading or copying". This outlaws releasing the
project if it was made with non-free software (like Photoshop, Word, Sony
Vegas and many more).

That leaves two options for relicensing: allowing it only if those works
already comply with releasing full corresponding source, or else
retroactively forcing authors to comply with the new license terms. The
latter, however, would impose additional requirements to the authors in a
retroactive fashion, and it may be difficult or impossible for them to
comply (for example, by remaking the file in a free software tool). And to
make things worse, it would also require the original author to
recursively impose the same requirement on all the authors of all the
assets used on the work.

This doesn't mean that there shouldn't be any compatibility with the GPL,
but it must be limited to works that already comply with the GPL's
requirement for source code (here meaning full assets, full instructions
for editing the assets in their final form, and all files under a free
format). This would prevent legal issues with the derivative GPL works,
and avoid to impose terms retroactively on authors that may not be located
or may not release the source on the required terms.

- Carlos Solís

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Kat Walsh | 28 Feb 2013 21:03

A note on compatibility discussions

I let several messages through to the list that are interesting and
relevant, but are issues CC isn't getting into until some of the
previous discussions are resolved, particularly today's post on the SA
mechanism. (For example, the substance of which licenses should be
compatible, for example, or the specifics of compatibility with any
particular license.)

Ideally, those of you with input on these topics will also have
comments on the things we're asking about this week--I hope that you
will consider their implications for the things you're concerned about
and offer feedback!

Cheers,
Kat

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