Trevor Sheppard | 1 Nov 2010 03:15
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Re: Weighty questions ?

On 31/10/2010 18:24, Simon Angel wrote:
> Hi there
>
> Actually I have four questions that I'm sure that the boffins amongst you will know the answers.
>
> Q1)  Will a 14 kg Danforth Anchor C/W goodness know how many feet of fairly heavy chain, floating 1"
warp(lots of it!) be suitable for a 57' 10/6/4 semi trad narrowboat ?
Hi Simon,

Earlier this year I went through the same exercise for my 57½' Heron ...

In the end (after many opinions on various lists failed to get a precise 
direction) I went back to my inherited copy of '<The New> Inland Boat 
Owner's Book', published by Waterways World; unfortunately it's undated, 
but there is a number (ISBN?) on the front cover which is: <1 870002 85 
7> so possibly somebody else may be willing, and able, to let both of us 
know its age :-)

There is a section on 'Deck and Safety Equipment' that includes about 
eight paragraphs on anchors and warps, plus a table.

By the way, it is quite important that your warp should NOT float - a 
floating warp simply negates some/much of the effect of the total weight 
of the chain between the warp and the anchor shaft (just how much of an 
effect will depend to a great degree on the depth of water you are 
anchored in, plus the total length of chain attached to the anchor).

Warps should have some elasticity (or 'spring') to help act as a shock 
absorber should the water conditions be such that the boat cycles 
between surging forward (usually caused by temporarily lifting the chain 
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John Gwalter (NB Ernest | 1 Nov 2010 09:08
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Having read the different postings I recall a conversation from my student 
days:

Other members of my course were complaining that the Students Union was run 
by a clique.
I replied :
"Yes it is, and I can tell you how to join that clique. Spend most of your 
free lecture periods hanging around the Union Hut instead of studying in the 
library and don't go straight home or to your digs after college but hang 
around some more."

All organisations are run by such a clique - always were and always will be.

JOhn

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My indecision is final.

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ap4098 | 1 Nov 2010 09:39
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Re: Weighty questions ?


--- In cutweb@..., "Simon Angel" <clara.net <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Hi there
> 
> Actually I have four questions that I'm sure that the boffins amongst you will know the answers.
> 
> Q1)  Will a 14 kg Danforth Anchor C/W goodness know how many feet of fairly heavy chain, floating 1"
warp(lots of it!) be suitable for a 57' 10/6/4 semi trad narrowboat ?
> 
> Q2) Some time ago, an article in one of the waterway magazines had a calculation for working out the size of
alternator for a given battery bank size. Can anyone remember what this formula is ?
> 
> Q3) What is the typical wattage, that the small studio type washing machines as used on some narrowboats use.
> 
> Q4) I expect that modern micro-processor controlled washing machines need to have pure sine wave
mains....am I right in that assumption thinking  of inverters?
> 
> Simon G Angel
> 
> nb you'llhavetowaitandsee !
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

1. Whatever the tables say you have to be able to lift it and its chain back on board so you are likely to end up
with a compromise on chain length and anchor weight.

2. Seeing the battery bank size is dictated by your current use and the alternator size is very likely to be
limited by its drive belt (unless you want to spend many £s or a poly-V belt conversion is readily
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Andy Greener | 1 Nov 2010 10:17

Re: Re: Weighty questions ?

On 1 Nov 2010, at 08:39, ap4098 wrote:
> 
> --- In cutweb@..., "Simon Angel" <clara.net <at> ...> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there
>> 
>> Actually I have four questions that I'm sure that the boffins amongst you will know the answers.
>> 
>> Q1)  Will a 14 kg Danforth Anchor C/W goodness know how many feet of fairly heavy chain, floating 1"
warp(lots of it!) be suitable for a 57' 10/6/4 semi trad narrowboat ?
>> 
>> Q2) Some time ago, an article in one of the waterway magazines had a calculation for working out the size of
alternator for a given battery bank size. Can anyone remember what this formula is ?
>> 
>> Q3) What is the typical wattage, that the small studio type washing machines as used on some narrowboats use.
>> 
>> Q4) I expect that modern micro-processor controlled washing machines need to have pure sine wave
mains....am I right in that assumption thinking  of inverters?
>> 
>> Simon G Angel
> 
> 1. Whatever the tables say you have to be able to lift it and its chain back on board so you are likely to end up
with a compromise on chain length and anchor weight.
> 
> 2. Seeing the battery bank size is dictated by your current use and the alternator size is very likely to be
limited by its drive belt (unless you want to spend many £s or a poly-V belt conversion is readily
available) this question may be more academic than practical. I advocate doing a power audit and then
doing charging calculations so you get some idea of how long you need to run the engine for or how much
auxiliary charging you need. If you read the article in Canal Boat you will find a similar one on http://www.tb-training.co.uk/Poweraudit.htm.
> 
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Brian on Harnser | 1 Nov 2010 17:49

Re: Re: Sad day !

Simon Angel has brought this to us :
> I'll let you know more details once we have possession of the boat. It is 
> getting surveyed on Friday. Having committed the deposit money it had better 
> be good !!!
>
Surely if its a pigs ear when surveyed you would get your deposit back?

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Simon Angel | 1 Nov 2010 19:24
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Re: Re: Re: Sad day !

Brian et all,

We have been around boats for well in excess of 30 years and this time we 
have looked at about 30 or more boats; there is plenty of choice though ! At 
least with the internet the better sites like ABNB, makes it easier to 
ascertain whether that particular boat is worth looking at

This one is a 57' semi trad with the perfect layout that we wanted and in 
stunningly good condition inside and out- although the paintwork isn't to 
our taste but in good condition, none the less ! It has the ubiquitous Beta 
38/PRM120 that seems to be the norm these days including the infamous PRM 
'whine' at low revs. The RCR chap reckons the Betas are excellent engines if 
looked after properly.This boat also has an Eberspacher - shock horror ! it 
will be interesting to see how we get on with all these gismos which are a 
bit of a mystery to us ! It has a washing machine too - Jeanette says well, 
that will be handy.........or not as the case may be !

With regards to the survey; you're right, there is a clause in the contract 
that if it is about to sink or the engine is about to seize then we can 
reject the boat on these grounds and get our deposit back.

I am fairly certain that our choice is a good one, as it has had little 
use(engine only has 416 hours showing, and there hardly a scratch on the 
blacking)but we'll find out for definite on Friday, watch this space !

I was working up your way, last week at Byfords, in the centre of Holt - 
nice delly too.

Regards
Simon
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Brian Rich | 1 Nov 2010 22:10
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Re: Weighty questions ?


On 1 Nov 2010, at 08:39, ap4098 wrote:

> 2. Seeing the battery bank size is dictated by your current use and the alternator size is very likely to be
limited by its drive belt (unless you want to spend many £s or a poly-V belt conversion is readily
available) this question may be more academic than practical. I advocate doing a power audit and then
doing charging calculations so you get some idea of how long you need to run the engine for or how much
auxiliary charging you need. If you read the article in Canal Boat you will find a similar one on http://www.tb-training.co.uk/Poweraudit.htm.

Hermione has a power meter installed, which monitors the power consumption of the electrical system.  I've
found this really helpful;  It tells me that my fridge-freezer and 300W pure sine inverter that I use to run
the telly (about 4 hours running) takes about 30Ah during a 24 hour period. The fridge-freezer on it's own
takes about 20Ah.  The telly is rated at 38W at 240v AC, and the fridge freezer takes 4 amps and I reckon it is
running about 25% duty cycle.  If you do the numbers that T0ny suggests, the fridge-freezer would use about
24AH and the telly would use about 12Ah, which is pretty close to what the power meter says

It takes about an hour running my 70A alternator in the evening to recover the 30AH used, which gives out
around 28 amps when charging just above tickover. 

I've got 2 x 100Ah batteries for the leisure system. At the moment, I don't think I need to increase it's size.

> 
> 3. No idea - power audit says use launderettes

If you can find one - in these days of recession, they are a bit like hen's teeth.

The twin-tub that Mike suggests if probably the only way of using a combinations of hot water and low
electrical power consumption - all supplied by a 70A alternator. If you want to wash on-board without
large scale electrical systems, this seems to be the only way forward. Also, I suspect it is more
economical with water too.
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Mike & Krystyna Wooding | 1 Nov 2010 22:19

Re: Weighty questions ?

Brian Rich wrote:
>
> If you can find one - in these days of recession, they are a bit like
> hen's teeth.
>
> The twin-tub that Mike suggests if probably the only way of using a
> combinations of hot water and low electrical power consumption - all
> supplied by a 70A alternator. If you want to wash on-board without
> large scale electrical systems, this seems to be the only way
> forward. Also, I suspect it is more economical with water too.

You can have a bath in it too afterwards if you want :->

Mike

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Mike & Krystyna Wooding | 1 Nov 2010 22:23

Re: Re: Sad day !

Brian on Harnser wrote:
> Simon Angel has brought this to us :
>> I'll let you know more details once we have possession of the boat.
>> It is getting surveyed on Friday. Having committed the deposit money
>> it had better be good !!!
>>
> Surely if its a pigs ear when surveyed you would get your deposit
> back?

Not likely Brian, it's part of the contract usually that deposits are 
non-refundable, unless the vendor pulls out.

Mike

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Mike & Krystyna Wooding | 1 Nov 2010 22:20

Re: Weighty questions ?

Mike & Krystyna Wooding wrote:
> Simon Angel wrote:
>> Hi there
>>
>> Actually I have four questions that I'm sure that the boffins amongst
>> you will know the answers.
>>
>> Q1)  Will a 14 kg Danforth Anchor C/W goodness know how many feet of
>> fairly heavy chain, floating 1" warp(lots of it!) be suitable for a
>> 57' 10/6/4 semi trad narrowboat ?
>
> Sounds a bit light to me Simon, I would have though a 25 to 30kg one
> would be more the size. Mind you, it does depend where you intend to
> cruise.

The following link may help confuse you even more Simon :->

http://www.danforthanchors.com/standard.html

Mike

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