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Christopher Woods | 4 Jan 2010 11:57
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RE: AT&T as service provider


> -----Original Message-----
> From: vnc-list-bounces <at> realvnc.com 
> [mailto:vnc-list-bounces <at> realvnc.com] On Behalf Of Dale Eshelman
> Sent: 17 December 2009 17:02
> To: Nancy
> Cc: vnc-list <at> realvnc.com
> Subject: Re: AT&T as service provider
> 
> Likely you are not getting all the information on the screen 
> to make the ATT connection. I have run into these situations. 
> It seems ATT (or partner) many times uses flash for login to 
> connections (why I don't know). So when I compare the screen 
> on my laptop to the screen on my iPhone / iPod touch, they 
> are not the same. The ability to select the provider (for 
> example) from a list does not show up on the iPhone / iPod 
> Touch. Apple tells me it is because ATT is using flash.
> 
> The iPhone / iPod Touch does not support Flash. It is a hog 
> on memory and battery life. So this may be the reason. ATT 
> after 3 years of conversations with them, has yet to fix it. 
> As I have told Apple and ATT, this makes the iPhone / iPod 
> Touch worthless - and I told both of them so much. Most of 
> the time I cannot use them because of this issue.
> 
> So I am guessing this might be the issue. However, the way to 
> tell is to use a laptop and look at the same screen.

I must disagree; imho all of that is FUD. Whether or not a device supports
Flash is irrelevant in this case - if the iPhone is on AT&T, and has the
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Christopher Woods | 4 Jan 2010 12:00
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RE: can't control a window


> Hello,
> I liked RealVNC very much because it's open source and it works.

It does work, but it's not opensource ;) it's a closed-source app with a
commercial licensing scheme! (free != opensource)

> I had a little problem with some windows. it seems that the 
> pointer can't get over the window so I can't move, drag and 
> drop, or click any button on it.
> 
> a screen shot is attached. it maybe a security feature of 
> Kasper anti-virus but I'm not sure.

It is Kaspersky's "self protection" feature - you can disable it inide the
app options (I had to do the same thing on my personal computers) but you'll
have to actually make the change when you're at the machine, because
obviously you can't use Kaspersky's program windows via VNC ;). Are you
using KIS 2009 or 2010?

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Usama Akkad | 4 Jan 2010 12:41
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Fwd: can't control a window

Hi,
Thank you for your replay.
It seems that I can use Kaspersky 6 with the original windows remote desktop
program, but you are right about the self defense thing I just tested it.

At wikipedia they say:
Quote:
Free Edition – free, open source
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source>version distributed under
the GNU
General Public License<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License>
End Quto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealVNC

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Christopher Woods <
christopher <at> custommade.org.uk> wrote:

>
> > Hello,
> > I liked RealVNC very much because it's open source and it works.
>
> It does work, but it's not opensource ;) it's a closed-source app with a
> commercial licensing scheme! (free != opensource)
>
> > I had a little problem with some windows. it seems that the
> > pointer can't get over the window so I can't move, drag and
> > drop, or click any button on it.
> >
> > a screen shot is attached. it maybe a security feature of
> > Kasper anti-virus but I'm not sure.
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Christopher Woods (CustomMade | 4 Jan 2010 17:03
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RE: can't control a window


> Actually the VNC Free Edition *is* open-source. :)
> 
> We do also produce some binary-only products, the VNC 
> Enterprise and Personal Editions, which I guess is what 
> you're getting confused with.

Yep, thanks to you and Usama for pointing that out ;) (that'll learn me for
assuming)

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Corne Beerse | 6 Jan 2010 13:46
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Re: Help

On 28-12-2009 5:26, Steve Melcher wrote:
> I have a newbie question, when I attempt to access the desktop of my Linux
> box is asks the logged on user for permission to access the device.  This is
> great except I want to use this tool so I do not have to be in my lab for
> accessing the machine.  How do I turn that option off so I just access the
> desktop without worries?
>    

This depends on the linux distro you are using. Many current distro's do 
provide click-click-finish install/config of vnc. For Ubuntu (using the 
default gnome):
- System -> Administration -> LoginWindow. There at the tab 'remote' you 
can configure what you like. for fresh logins.
- System -> Preferences -> RemoteDesktop you can configure a way to take 
over the current desktop.

Be noted, these might conflict as vnc defaults to use the same port (5900).

On unix (including linux) there are way more ways to use vnc than on 
msWindows. It is even fairly easy to create a complete vnc-driven 
terminal-server machine. Describe what you want and what distro you use, 
then the answers can be much more tailored to your needs.

Succes,

Corné

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java pages do not show


When I connect to my PC at work and then try to download fixes from IBM on my work computer, their website uses
java for the login and download pages, but I cannot see anything on those java web pages via VNC. Any ideas?
		 	   		  
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Christopher Woods (CustomMade | 9 Jan 2010 18:26
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RE: AT&T as service provider

> NOT true. It is not FUD I am setting there with the same connection
> with two different pieces of equipment. In addition, Apple has stated 
> so much and conversations with ATT also confirmed.

> The iPhone DOES NOT support a flash player plug in.
> Therefore flash CANNOT run on the iPhone. While a Mac / PC sitting there
> side by side with the same connection works fine.

Indeed, but I read it as you implying that the lack of Flash functionality
on the iPhone would affect the device's ability to connect to the data
service. I've never, ever seen a tethered cellular access setup where I have
to log in through a Flash portal - as far as the network's concerned,
whether it's your handset or your handset bridging the connection to an
external device via Bluetooth or sync cable, the network just sees the
traffic as coming from the device itself. There should be no additional
login steps required as the handset has already done that (and is de facto
authenticated as it's a registered device on the network). No Flash support
required. (certainly when I use my own device for tethering, I run the
generic Windows Mobile Connection Sharing app (which DOESN'T authenticate
with anything) on my phone, set it up to share via USB and then hit Connect
- it establishes the data connection and I plug my computer in, and the
phone appears as a network interface. I'm up and running without any other
logins almost immediately.

I suspect the iPhone is treated differently by AT&T from its other standard
handset range; I would still wager that the iPhone data plan doesn't allow
for nonstandard ports to be used (i.e., VNC et al) whereas the regular AT&T
data "bolt-on" package allows for more unrestricted usage.

YGWYPF is valid here :)
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Dale Eshelman | 8 Jan 2010 19:52
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Re: AT&T as service provider

NOT true. It is not FUD I am setting there with the same connection with two different pieces of equipment. In
addition, Apple has stated so much and conversations with ATT also confirmed.

The iPhone DOES NOT support a flash player plug in. Therefore flash CANNOT run on the iPhone. While a Mac / PC
sitting there side by side with the same connection works fine.

On Jan 4, 2010, at 04:57 AM, Christopher Woods wrote:

> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: vnc-list-bounces <at> realvnc.com 
>> [mailto:vnc-list-bounces <at> realvnc.com] On Behalf Of Dale Eshelman
>> Sent: 17 December 2009 17:02
>> To: Nancy
>> Cc: vnc-list <at> realvnc.com
>> Subject: Re: AT&T as service provider
>> 
>> Likely you are not getting all the information on the screen 
>> to make the ATT connection. I have run into these situations. 
>> It seems ATT (or partner) many times uses flash for login to 
>> connections (why I don't know). So when I compare the screen 
>> on my laptop to the screen on my iPhone / iPod touch, they 
>> are not the same. The ability to select the provider (for 
>> example) from a list does not show up on the iPhone / iPod 
>> Touch. Apple tells me it is because ATT is using flash.
>> 
>> The iPhone / iPod Touch does not support Flash. It is a hog 
>> on memory and battery life. So this may be the reason. ATT 
>> after 3 years of conversations with them, has yet to fix it.
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Christopher Woods (CustomMade | 11 Jan 2010 01:22
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RE: AT&T as service provider

Ah, well, if one is using a wifi hotspot then that's a different matter
entirely I absolutely agree. However as far as I remember the OP never
mentioned wifi hotspots, only using the iPhone's data connection, so I
understood the question to implicitly involve using the device for its
tethered 3G connection.

Chris

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From: Dale Eshelman [mailto:eshelmand <at> gmail.com] 
Sent: 10 January 2010 19:00
To: Christopher Woods (CustomMade)
Cc: 'Nancy'; vnc-list <at> realvnc.com
Subject: Re: AT&T as service provider

It is correct that flash CAN effect the ability of one to connect to the
data service on the iPhone. Here is how. When you use the iPhone to log in
to a WIFI connection and the login uses flash the login cannot be completed
on the iPhone. The selection list to select your ISP to continue log in
using the iPhone screens in the Safari browser is written in flash at many
WIFI connection login screens. There is no way past this on an iPhone. 
It is the Wayport WIFI connections (US) which have been the primary
culprits. The whole portal is NOT flash. Only the list of ISPs in the drop
down menu. Since the iPhone does not support flash, the list does not appear
on the iPhone screen to select. It cannot be typed in; only selected from a
list (ex.  <at> sbcglobal.net or  <at> ATT.net).

So if you have VNC app on your iPhone, you will need to login at a WIFI spot
which does not require flash to login.
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Dale Eshelman | 10 Jan 2010 20:00
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Re: AT&T as service provider

It is correct that flash CAN effect the ability of one to connect to the data service on the iPhone. Here is
how. When you use the iPhone to log in to a WIFI connection and the login uses flash the login cannot be
completed on the iPhone. The selection list to select your ISP to continue log in using the iPhone screens
in the Safari browser is written in flash at many WIFI connection login screens. There is no way past this on
an iPhone.
It is the Wayport WIFI connections (US) which have been the primary culprits. The whole portal is NOT flash.
Only the list of ISPs in the drop down menu. Since the iPhone does not support flash, the list does not appear
on the iPhone screen to select. It cannot be typed in; only selected from a list (ex.  <at> sbcglobal.net or  <at> ATT.net).

So if you have VNC app on your iPhone, you will need to login at a WIFI spot which does not require flash to login.

If you are using tethering, that is a different scenario. That means using the iPhone as a modem (so to speak)
instead of using the iPhone directly. Tethering through ATT on the iPhone has been a rough road. ATT did not
allow it to happen for a long time through the iPhone. I have not tried it recently but I believe it is now
functional. 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Woods (CustomMade) wrote:

>> NOT true. It is not FUD I am setting there with the same connection
>> with two different pieces of equipment. In addition, Apple has stated 
>> so much and conversations with ATT also confirmed.
> 
> 
>> The iPhone DOES NOT support a flash player plug in.
>> Therefore flash CANNOT run on the iPhone. While a Mac / PC sitting there
>> side by side with the same connection works fine.
> 
> Indeed, but I read it as you implying that the lack of Flash functionality
> on the iPhone would affect the device's ability to connect to the data
> service. I've never, ever seen a tethered cellular access setup where I have
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