1 Apr 2010 04:13
Re: Thinstation 3.0 - a conversation
I can see where Kevin is coming from. When I found Thinstation a while back, I had a hard time figuring out the many download options (I didnt want an EXE, as I dont run windows, I didnt want a livecd, and I didnt really want to build everything myself manually). I eventually found a TSoM that I ended up using, then found that not all TSoM sites had the same packages, versions, drivers, etc.. Everntually found one that worked for me, and had the drivers I needed, but I think it also has the FireFox 2.0 package instead of 3.x. I think the "click latest version. Uhm. Backtrack" refers to Thinstation 3.0 being listed there, but upon clicking it, theres nothing there but Docs. I find it odd that 2.4 is alpha, and 2.3 is beta. Typically you would not start another branch (such as 2.4) until 2.3 is done. But different developers have different methods I suppose. I've also seen a few packages out there (non-thinstation related) that seem like the current version is orphaned, no updates in a year or two, but the "beta" is currently being developed, and has MANY new features, and is even recommended for a production environment. So I think the people looking for the "latest" (3.0, 2.4, or 2.3) may be thinking that 2.2.2 is ancient, especially since theres 3 "newer" branches. just my thoughts on what others might b e thinking though. I'm still waiting for a good answer to the question I often see about hosting a local TSoM, as at that point I can hand off the build process to one of my normal clowns. I know TSoM was kind of just a novelty at first, but maybe with a little work it can be used as a full fledged thinstation manager. Maybe even put the pxelinux config giles in it, and have it running on the tftp server. - - - Jon Myers Network Manager Alfred State College ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.(Continue reading)
On Sun, 2010-04-04 at 11:58 +1000, TrevorB wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 22:13 -0400, Myers, Jon W wrote:
> > I can see where Kevin is coming from. When I found Thinstation a while back, I had a hard time figuring out
the many download options (I didnt want an EXE, as I dont run windows, I didnt want a livecd, and I didnt
really want to build everything myself manually). I eventually found a TSoM that I ended up using, then
found that not all TSoM sites had the same packages, versions, drivers, etc.. Everntually found one that
worked for me, and had the drivers I needed, but I think it also has the FireFox 2.0 package instead of 3.x.
> >
> > I think the "click latest version. Uhm. Backtrack" refers to Thinstation 3.0 being listed there, but
upon clicking it, theres nothing there but Docs. I find it odd that 2.4 is alpha, and 2.3 is beta. Typically
you would not start another branch (such as 2.4) until 2.3 is done. But different developers have
different methods I suppose. I've also seen a few packages out there (non-thinstation related) that seem
like the current version is orphaned, no updates in a year or two, but the "beta" is currently being
developed, and has MANY new features, and is even recommended for a production environment. So I think the
people looking for the "latest" (3.0, 2.4, or 2.3) may be thinking that 2.2.2 is ancient, especially since
theres 3 "newer" branches. just my thoughts on what others mig
ht be thinking though.
>
> Partially my fault.
>
> 2.2.2 & 2.3b1 were released as Production and the next beta version some
> time ago. All based on the 2.2 baseline. I took on a maintenance /
> enhancement role on these releases.
>
> We ALL know how hard it was to take TS 2.2.2 (Production) to the next
> level, so Antti Andreimann and his group started TS 3.0 with the view
> that it was a long and difficult path to fully convert TS into this
> style.
>
> This got to a particular stage and faltered (I think it was fulfilling
> their business needs). It was not in a state that was usable by the
> community.
Marcos and his group (and more recently Tobais) have taken on the task
of bringing TS3.0 to a much more usable state, BUT it is definitely a
DEVELOPER ONLY area.
I have tried to help out occasionally, but decided that I had better do
what I could to get a newer 2.3 out the door. As such, if you look at
the SVN log you will see that it has a fair bit of activity and we have
XOrg7.3 and many updated items working now. Just needs a little more
polish before we release a new beta.
Trevor B
>
> I decided to start the 2.4 line as an alternative in the meantime, which
> was based on a totally new build from the ground up (based on
> Linux-from-scratch), so that we could have a newer version of GLIBC,
> XOrg etc., etc. Boy that was an education.
>
> To all intents and purposes 2.4 is now dead. The reason. I learned
> enough to be able to apply some of the changes back in the standard tree
> and realised that the distribution method for 2.4 wasn't going to be any
> easier/better than the current 2.x stream.
>
> So, back to the current.
>
> 2.2.2 is Production
> 2.3b is the next release and is beta
> 2.4 is dead (apart for my own personal development and learning)
> 3.0 is a longer term future approach.
> >
> > I'm still waiting for a good answer to the question I often see about hosting a local TSoM, as at that point I
can hand off the build process to one of my normal clowns. I know TSoM was kind of just a novelty at first, but
maybe with a little work it can be used as a full fledged thinstation manager. Maybe even put the pxelinux
config giles in it, and have it running on the tftp server.
>
> TSoM will ONLY work with 2.x anyway.
>
> Trevor B
> >
> > - - - Jon Myers
> > Network Manager
> > Alfred State College
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval
> > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs
> > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance.
> > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta.
> > 
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