RE: KB

has my vote :o) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paolo Salvan [mailto:paolo.salvan@...] 
Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2005 02:24 a.m.
To: Mike Eriksen
Cc: Peter Andersson; Thinstation developers list
Subject: Re: [Thinstation-developer] KB

Hi,

I surely agree about moving FAQ under Wiki.

We perhaps should give a better structure to the web.site, and use more
extensively the wiki (there are a lots of docs not yet converted to wiki).

And we should consider opening wiki access to the community... a nice thing
would be having main pages edited only by developers (to prevent the main
website down by some bad or unexperienced user...) and a KB area open to
everyone... or, better, having everyone able to edit everything, and having
a "moderator" that should approve changes...

I have to study what PHPwiki let us to do... BTW I like to know some
comments about what could be the road to follow...

Paolo

Mike Eriksen ha scritto:
> Actually, I think this is an excellent idea (as I have been thinking 

RE: KB

And mine. Hopefully we can get some more 'contributions', especially in 'howto'
land.

Trevor B

Quoting Miles Roper <mroper@...>:

>
> has my vote :o)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paolo Salvan [mailto:paolo.salvan@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 30 April 2005 02:24 a.m.
> To: Mike Eriksen
> Cc: Peter Andersson; Thinstation developers list
> Subject: Re: [Thinstation-developer] KB
>
> Hi,
>
> I surely agree about moving FAQ under Wiki.
>
> We perhaps should give a better structure to the web.site, and use more
> extensively the wiki (there are a lots of docs not yet converted to wiki).
>
> And we should consider opening wiki access to the community... a nice thing
> would be having main pages edited only by developers (to prevent the main
> website down by some bad or unexperienced user...) and a KB area open to
> everyone... or, better, having everyone able to edit everything, and having
> a "moderator" that should approve changes...
>

Re: KB

Hi,

I've passed some day documenting myself about the possibilities phpwiki 
give us.

A new version of PHPWiki (3.11, we are using 3.10) have a "Moderator" 
plugin: everytime someone change a page, a mail is sent to a list of 
moderators, and they can accept or refuse the change.

With this plugin enabled, we could probably let everyone edit the wiki, 
and at the same time prevent someone from damaging project web-site.

What do you think?

Paolo

Paolo Salvan ha scritto:
> Hi,
> 
> I surely agree about moving FAQ under Wiki.
> 
> We perhaps should give a better structure to the web.site, and use more 
> extensively the wiki (there are a lots of docs not yet converted to wiki).
> 
> And we should consider opening wiki access to the community... a nice 
> thing would be having main pages edited only by developers (to prevent 
> the main website down by some bad or unexperienced user...) and a KB 
> area open to everyone... or, better, having everyone able to edit 
> everything, and having a "moderator" that should approve changes...
> 

Re: KB

Perfect! Exactly what we need.

Mike

On Tue, 3 May 2005, Paolo Salvan wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've passed some day documenting myself about the possibilities phpwiki 
> give us.
> 
> A new version of PHPWiki (3.11, we are using 3.10) have a "Moderator" 
> plugin: everytime someone change a page, a mail is sent to a list of 
> moderators, and they can accept or refuse the change.
> 
> With this plugin enabled, we could probably let everyone edit the wiki, 
> and at the same time prevent someone from damaging project web-site.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Paolo
> 
> 
> 
> Paolo Salvan ha scritto:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I surely agree about moving FAQ under Wiki.
> > 
> > We perhaps should give a better structure to the web.site, and use more 

RE: KB

My vote too.  Also (and I hate to be a bore...), but could we have a Wiki
"known bugs" page, where we can list things we know about and are working on
(eg I'm working on some of the rdesktop niggles which dog corporate world).

And also (sorry) - a Wiki roadmap, where we can roughly map out what's
planned and when it'll get done (release wise).

Ta

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: thinstation-developer-admin@...
[mailto:thinstation-developer-admin@...] On
Behalf Of
Trevor Batley
Sent: 01 May 2005 23:21
To: Miles Roper
Cc: 'Paolo Salvan'; Mike Eriksen; Peter Andersson; Thinstation developers
list
Subject: RE: [Thinstation-developer] KB

And mine. Hopefully we can get some more 'contributions', especially in
'howto'
land.

Trevor B

Quoting Miles Roper <mroper@...>:

Re: KB

I somewhat disagree. 

I would like to think of the TS site as having different parts with different 
security classification and also different levels of user contribution. 

As I understand, we already have Wiki system for site. That is good. Perhaps 
we want users to be able to edit, and if so, it is crucial to have moderator 
level between editing and going live. So far all agreed.

But for a KB / HowTo-recipes part of site I think a moderator level between 
user edit and going live is bad for user activity. The user should never have 
to wonder if someone already has made the recipe page, or added info. The 
submitted text should go live instantly, after all as I understand it that is 
the revolutionary idea of Wiki. But, we still need a moderator level for post-
live-reverting in contrary to pre-live ditto, meaning if someone - either by 
purpose or accident - destroys work it should be possible for a moderator to 
undo one or more edits.

Theese two parts of site are only examples, and who knows, the FAQ could be 
another one. What parts belongs to which security is for discussion, but I 
think we need to "let go" of some parts of the site. 

As always saying much, doing little: (yes, I have a little bad conscience)

/Peter Andersson

> Perfect! Exactly what we need.
> 
> Mike
> 

Re: KB

I think agree with Peter in that there needs to be an area that is controlled
(formal FAQ, Release Notes, etc.) and an area where the general community can
add howto's, hints, standard configs etc. without administrator involvement.

Trevor B

Quoting Peter Andersson <thinstation.devel@...>:

> I somewhat disagree.
>
> I would like to think of the TS site as having different parts with different
> security classification and also different levels of user contribution.
>
> As I understand, we already have Wiki system for site. That is good. Perhaps
> we want users to be able to edit, and if so, it is crucial to have moderator
> level between editing and going live. So far all agreed.
>
> But for a KB / HowTo-recipes part of site I think a moderator level between
> user edit and going live is bad for user activity. The user should never have
> to wonder if someone already has made the recipe page, or added info. The
> submitted text should go live instantly, after all as I understand it that is
> the revolutionary idea of Wiki. But, we still need a moderator level for
> post-
> live-reverting in contrary to pre-live ditto, meaning if someone - either by
> purpose or accident - destroys work it should be possible for a moderator to
> undo one or more edits.
>
> Theese two parts of site are only examples, and who knows, the FAQ could be
> another one. What parts belongs to which security is for discussion, but I
> think we need to "let go" of some parts of the site.

how to unzip Thinstation sources?

Re: how to unzip Thinstation sources?

I use the tar jxvf approach. Always works for me.

The tar.bz2 file should be 422452689 bytes long and expand to >3Gb

Trevor B

Quoting Angfus <angfus@...>:

> Hi everybody,
> I\'ve downloaded the sources thinstation_src-2.1.tar.bz2. I issued the
> command \"bunzip2 thinstation_src-2.1.tar.bz2\" but after a long time, an
> error has occurred and it couldn\'t unzip. I\'downloaded 2 more times and
> I\'ve been trying also whit \"tar jxvf thinstation_src-2.1.tar.bz2\" but
> only 200 Mbytes was extracted.
> How can I unzip the pack, to begin developing?
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Replimenu with X already started?

You have a chance to look at this again?  I am finding I can save 5+
seconds each program launch if I have X started first. . .but the
simplicity of replimenu and using the keyboard rather than the mouse are
too much to switch to just blackbox, etc. . .

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Trevor Batley <trevor@...>
*To:* TechFan <lists.sf.net@...>
*CC:* "Thinstation, Developer" <thinstation-developer@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:07:33 PM
*Subject:* [Thinstation-developer] Replimenu with X already started?

>On Sun, 2005-03-27 at 12:05 +1000, TechFan wrote:
>  
>
>>Thanks.  I'll give it a try. . .sure hope it works.  
>>    
>>
>
>Well it doesn't for me, but then again I can't get up replimenu anyway
>(I know this will sound silly, but how do you get replimenu to appear?)
>
>Trevor B
>  
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>*From:* Trevor Batley <trevor@...>
>>*To:* TechFan <lists.sf.net@...>
>>*CC:* "Thinstation, Developer" <thinstation-developer@...>
>>*Sent:* Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:55:43 AM
>>*Subject:* [Thinstation-developer] Replimenu with X already started?
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Well, it's about time you started!
>>>
>>>Easiest way is to copy a similar package and amend that. In this case ,
>>>say dillo.
>>>
>>>cd packages
>>>cp dillo replimenu
>>>cd replimenu
>>>rm -d bin
>>>cd lib/menu
>>>mv dillo replimenu
>>>vi/pico/nano replimenu (and change to replimenu etc.)
>>>cd ../etc
>>>rm dillorc.tpl
>>>rm cookiesrc.tpl
>>>cd cmd
>>>mv dillo.global replimenu.global
>>>mv dillo.window replimenu.window
>>>vi/pico/nano replimenu.global (change to replimenu
>>>-f /etc/replimenu/main.menu - I think...)
>>>vi/pico/nano replimenu.window (same as global) 
>>>cd ../init.d
>>>mv dillo replimenu
>>>mv dillo.init replimenu.init
>>>vi/pico/nano replimenu.init (remove the internal if statement - lines
>>>9-16)
>>>cd ../rc5.d
>>>mv S10dillo.init S10replimenu.init
>>>
>>>Now hopefully, if you put a package replimenu statement in your
>>>build.conf, replimenu should be able to be started as a package (but I
>>>don't guarantee it....:-P
>>>
>>>Trevor B
>>>
>>>On Sun, 2005-03-27 at 11:23 +1000, TechFan wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>That sounds like a good idea.  I haven't created a package before. . .
>>>>
>>>>Just create a folder in the packages folder with those 2 files??
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>*From:* Trevor Batley <trevor@...>
>>>>*To:* TechFan <lists.sf.net@...>
>>>>*CC:* "Thinstation, Developer" <thinstation-developer@...>
>>>>*Sent:* Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:53:30 AM
>>>>*Subject:* [Thinstation-developer] Replimenu with X already started?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Have you tried running replimenu as a program under X. It works from an
>>>>>xterm, so you may be able to setup a session where the only thing
>>>>>running is replimenu. Make a package called replimenu, with
>>>>>etc/cmd/replimenu.global
>>>>>CMD_GLOBAL="replimenu -f /etc/replimenu"
>>>>>and etc/cmd/replimenu.window
>>>>>CMD_WINDOW="replimenu -f /etc/replimenu"
>>>>>
>>>>>and have SESSION_0_TYPE=REPLIMENU
>>>>>
>>>>>Worth a try....
>>>>>
>>>>>Trevor B
>>>>>On Sun, 2005-03-27 at 02:15 +1000, TechFan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>Trevor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did you have a chance to look into this more?  I just deployed TS on a
>>>>>>bunch of notebooks this last week and I found that they start X really
>>>>>>really slow. . .like 10 seconds. . .kind of a pain when the current
>>>>>>setup sends them back to replimenu (don't like idle sessions).  If I
>>>>>>could just find a simple menu setup that had X started, I am sure the
>>>>>>users would be much happier. . .Most of them only have one menu option,
>>>>>>but I really want them to be able to just press enter to reconnect their
>>>>>>session. . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for looking at this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>*From:* Trevor Batley <trevor@...>
>>>>>>*To:* TechFan <lists.sf.net@...>
>>>>>>*CC:* Thinstation-developer <thinstation-developer@...>
>>>>>>*Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:40:15 PM
>>>>>>*Subject:* [Thinstation-developer] Replimenu with X already started?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>OK,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>you don't really want the windowmanager and all it's options, just a set of
>>>>>>>options that they could select (via keyboard - numbers, or tab enter).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I haven't palyed with evilwm, but it may be that minimal. I'm also pretty sure
>>>>>>>that you can turn the menu items off in icewm, but use xtdesk to generate the
>>>>>>>icons (I was playing with some of those settings recently). Just don't know
>>>>>>>about the keyboard aspects (although you can define hotkeys, which may be what
>>>>>>>you are after). At a client at the moment (behind a restrictive firewall, so
>>>>>>>can't check, but will look tonight).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Trevor B
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Quoting TechFan <lists.sf.net@...>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, I have played with that. . .but I would rather users wouldn't be
>>>>>>>>required to use the mouse (keyboard - just hit enter is more efficient).
>>>>>>>>. .plus I don't like the other options (menu bar, right click, etc)
>>>>>>>>found in the window managers. . .am I missing something?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>*From:* Trevor Batley <trevor@...>
>>>>>>>>*To:* TechFan <lists.sf.net@...>
>>>>>>>>*CC:* Thinstation-developer <thinstation-developer@...>
>>>>>>>>*Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:27:06 PM
>>>>>>>>*Subject:* [Thinstation-developer] Replimenu with X already started?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's what I use xtdesk for. An icon for each option.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You can use manual mode to only publish the ones you want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Trevor B
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Quoting TechFan <lists.sf.net@...>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I was just wondering if anyone had considered something like replimenu
>>>>>>>>>>with X already started. . .the login process is about 4-5 seconds longer
>>>>>>>>>>when starting from replimenu because it has to launch X.  I like the
>>>>>>>>>>simple no options setup of replimenu, but would love to get rid of that
>>>>>>>>>>slight lag.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>               
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>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Trevor Batley
>>>>>>>>>trevor_AT_batley.id.au
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----------------------------
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Trevor Batley
>>>>>>>trevor_AT_batley.id.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>

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