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Miles Roper | 2 Feb 2004 05:20
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RE: [Thinstation-general] USB storage devices

excellent work robbo,  this is the kind of feedback I've needed.

keep this on the mailing list though as this is where I get stuck,

ok, I'll take that back, you just posted :o)

so...anyone got a clue as to whats missing?

the modules.conf has

add above usb-hid usb-ohci usb-uhci keybdev mousedev
add below usb-storage sd_mod vfat
add above usb-printer usb-ohci usb-uhci
add above cdrom ide-cd

I've moved to modprobe (not in busybox) which tidied up some module support
stuff that thinstation has a while ago in the 2.0 series.  So, was looking
back at what Paul said a while back...

I can help you out somewhat with the kernel module aspects, but you've 
made things a bit difficult for yourself with the approach that 
Thinstation takes to this. Under DIET-PC, all I need to do is add a 
couple couple of lines to modules.conf (eg. "pre-install usb-storage 
modprobe usb-uhci" and "probeall scsi_hostadapter usb-storage" ) and 
then attempt to access /dev/sda1 or whatever, and devfsd and the kernel 
module loader take care of everything.

i've also just enabled busybox to have devfs support, not sure if that is
needed or not.
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Robbo Aylett | 2 Feb 2004 06:28
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RE: [Thinstation-general] USB storage devices

Cool Bananas.

But it feels like thinstation is 'almost there' with usb storage.

I will explain:

On my 'test client' when I bootup Thinstation 2.0b3 without my USB
memory stick plugged in, the directory "/dev/scsi/" is present with no
files or directories underneath it.
When I plug the USB memory stick in (which I know to work with XP +SP1,
Win2k +SP4, Mandrake 9.2 & Knoppix 3.3 (all tested today...)) 
The "/dev/scsi" changes. It changes to the following:
"/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0"
But there is still no "/dev/sda1" which is referred to within
"/etc/init.d/filesystem_local" 

I was wondering, how would we go trying to mount /mnt/usbstick to
/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 Instead of /dev/sda1?

We could test this my mounting /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0
manually to /mnt/usbstick, manually using telnet. I have tried but my
'mount' command isn't working as I think the syntax I am using is wrong.

But I will keep trying with that.  

Robbo

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Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 15:21
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Paul Whittaker | 2 Feb 2004 06:53
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Re: [Thinstation-general] USB storage devices

> so...anyone got a clue as to whats missing?
> 
> the modules.conf has
> 
> add above usb-hid usb-ohci usb-uhci keybdev mousedev
> add below usb-storage sd_mod vfat
> add above usb-printer usb-ohci usb-uhci
> add above cdrom ide-cd
> 
> I've moved to modprobe (not in busybox) which tidied up some module support
> stuff that thinstation has a while ago in the 2.0 series.  So, was looking
> back at what Paul said a while back...
> 
> 
> I can help you out somewhat with the kernel module aspects, but you've 
> made things a bit difficult for yourself with the approach that 
> Thinstation takes to this. Under DIET-PC, all I need to do is add a 
> couple couple of lines to modules.conf (eg. "pre-install usb-storage 
> modprobe usb-uhci" and "probeall scsi_hostadapter usb-storage" ) and 
> then attempt to access /dev/sda1 or whatever, and devfsd and the kernel 
> module loader take care of everything.
> 
> i've also just enabled busybox to have devfs support, not sure if that is
> needed or not.
> 
> feedback please....

No, you don't need devfs, but without it you have to mknod the /dev files 
in advance.  usb-storage is a dummy scsi host adaptor, you just load your 
usb host adaptor first and sd_mod afterward and away you go.
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Jeremey Stephens | 2 Feb 2004 19:14

Premade ICA boot iso?

I am new around here and I really am pretty new to supporting thin
clients in general. I have a client who needs to replace their thin
client with an older PC. It would be ideal if we could have them boot
from the CD-rom, get the config info from the floppy, then connect to
the Citrix server (via metaframe) with out having to install a tftp
server on the network.

I noticed you guys have a premade .iso but it does not support ICA.

I was just wondering if anyone out there had taken the time to create
one that would or if there was some more information I could read in
order to try and create one myself.

Thanks a lot!

jermeey
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Miles Roper | 2 Feb 2004 20:45
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RE: RE: [Thinstation-general] USB storage devices

cool bannans too :o)

try changing the script to refer to the other device file.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robbo Aylett [mailto:robbo.aylett@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 06:28 p.m.
To: Thinstation-Developer (E-mail)
Subject: [Thinstation-developer] RE: [Thinstation-general] USB storage
devices

Cool Bananas.

But it feels like thinstation is 'almost there' with usb storage.

I will explain:

On my 'test client' when I bootup Thinstation 2.0b3 without my USB
memory stick plugged in, the directory "/dev/scsi/" is present with no
files or directories underneath it.
When I plug the USB memory stick in (which I know to work with XP +SP1,
Win2k +SP4, Mandrake 9.2 & Knoppix 3.3 (all tested today...)) 
The "/dev/scsi" changes. It changes to the following:
"/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0"
But there is still no "/dev/sda1" which is referred to within
"/etc/init.d/filesystem_local" 

I was wondering, how would we go trying to mount /mnt/usbstick to
/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 Instead of /dev/sda1?
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Mike Eriksen | 2 Feb 2004 22:09
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RE: RE: [Thinstation-general] USB storage devices

Wouldn't it be safer just to sym link /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 
and /dev/sda1? /dev/sda1 may appear in many places.

If I read Robbo's replies correctly, he actually didn't change anything in 
TS-2.0b3? In that case I can report I do *not* see anything appearing in 
/dev/scsi once I plug my keyring in. It works well as sda1 on the same pc 
if I boot the pc on the HD with Red Hat 9 (TS is booting from CD).

Mike

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Miles Roper wrote:

> 
> cool bannans too :o)
> 
> try changing the script to refer to the other device file.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbo Aylett [mailto:robbo.aylett@...]
> Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 06:28 p.m.
> To: Thinstation-Developer (E-mail)
> Subject: [Thinstation-developer] RE: [Thinstation-general] USB storage
> devices
> 
> 
> Cool Bananas.
> 
> But it feels like thinstation is 'almost there' with usb storage.
> 
> I will explain:
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Paul Whittaker | 3 Feb 2004 02:11
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Re: RE: [Thinstation-general] USB storage devices

Mike Eriksen wrote:
> Wouldn't it be safer just to sym link /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 
> and /dev/sda1? /dev/sda1 may appear in many places.

/dev/sda* simply refers to the first detected SCSI device. 
/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 is a hardware address pathname that will 
often be the same thing as /dev/sda.  Unless you have a particular reason 
to tie down your references to a specific hardware address, using the 
"floating" device name (/dev/sda*) is usually better.

Don't link /dev/sda1 to
/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0, as the latter isn't a partition, it's an 
entire device.  /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 is the equivalent 
of /dev/sda1.

> If I read Robbo's replies correctly, he actually didn't change anything in 
> TS-2.0b3? In that case I can report I do *not* see anything appearing in 
> /dev/scsi once I plug my keyring in. It works well as sda1 on the same pc 
> if I boot the pc on the HD with Red Hat 9 (TS is booting from CD).

Your USB key device won't be autodetected when you insert it.  You need 
hotplug for that (which RH9 has).

If I recall correctly, to detect the key device you must load the 
usb-storage module *after* the device is plugged in.  It only probes the 
"SCSI bus" at module load-time.  The sd_mod module is robust enough to 
create and remove partition devices on the fly, though, so the device can 
be unplugged and replugged *after first detection* (filesystem mounting 
issues notwithstanding).
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Robbo Aylett | 3 Feb 2004 04:16
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RE: RE: [Thinstation-general] USB storage devices

If it helps, I never saw a "part1" under "../lun0/" 
And after my email I sent yesturday I tried a few times to mount the
memory stick manually (via telnet).  Even though my Linux knowledge
isn't the best (no where near the abilities you guys have) I couldn't
mount the usb stick no matter how hard I tried.  But the lack of a
/part1 would probably explain this.

Robbo

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Behalf Of
Paul Whittaker
Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 12:11
To: Thinstation-Developer (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Thinstation-developer] RE: [Thinstation-general] USB
storage devices

Mike Eriksen wrote:
> Wouldn't it be safer just to sym link 
> /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 and /dev/sda1? /dev/sda1 may appear
in many places.

/dev/sda* simply refers to the first detected SCSI device. 
/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 is a hardware address pathname that
will often be the same thing as /dev/sda.  Unless you have a particular
reason to tie down your references to a specific hardware address, using
the "floating" device name (/dev/sda*) is usually better.
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yang jianzhou | 3 Feb 2004 09:44
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About bootup splash screen and pci desplay card

  I noticed the splash screen appears to be 1024x768 and AGP card,if I use 
800x600,I muse change build file,the old buildfile is below
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	BOOTRESOLUTION="800x600"
	KERNEL_PARAMETERS="splash=silent vga=788"
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I change it into:
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	BOOTRESOLUTION="800x600"
	KERNEL_PARAMETERS="vga=788"
-----------------
  Now I will see the splash screen on AGP card.I also noticed if I use pci 
desplay card(I have some old workstations),it can not show the splash 
screen even if I change the build file.Why?Thanks!

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Mike Eriksen | 3 Feb 2004 11:06
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Re: [Thinstation-general] About bootup splash screen and pci desplay card

The boot splash requires a video card with a VESA ver. 2.0 BIOS - you old 
pci cards are probably only ver. 1.2.

Mike

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, yang jianzhou wrote:

>   I noticed the splash screen appears to be 1024x768 and AGP card,if I use 
> 800x600,I muse change build file,the old buildfile is below
> -----------------------------
> 	BOOTRESOLUTION="800x600"
> 	KERNEL_PARAMETERS="splash=silent vga=788"
> -----------------------------
> I change it into:
> -----------------
> 	BOOTRESOLUTION="800x600"
> 	KERNEL_PARAMETERS="vga=788"
> -----------------
>   Now I will see the splash screen on AGP card.I also noticed if I use pci 
> desplay card(I have some old workstations),it can not show the splash 
> screen even if I change the build file.Why?Thanks!
> 
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