Mark Nottingham | 1 May 07:05 2004
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Re: Re: news.com.au RSS feeds

Hmm, I applied for access (just for my personal purposes) and they 
denied me. I think they just don't get it.

On Apr 29, 2004, at 4:48 AM, Pavel Kalinov wrote:

> --- In syndication@..., Mark Nottingham
<mnot@...> wrote:
>> Maybe this will encourage Fairfax (e.g., http://www.theage.com.au/) to
>> open up their feeds as well; currently, they only allow big sites to
>> access the feeds...
>>
>
> You have to apply and get approved by someone from their staff, which
> takes about a day.
> I applied and they gave me access, and my site is not big (yet :-)).
> Unfortunately, the feeds have no <description>'s, these are for paying
> customers only.
> Technically speaking, Pravda are the best - fully customizeable feeds,
> incl. access to the full text of the article. But, unfortunately, from
> a journalistic and news point of view they are far, far behind
> newspapers like "The Age".
> You can't have both, obviously (with the exception of The Scotsman).
>
> Best regards
> Pavel
> http://feedz.info/
>
>
>
>
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Mark Nottingham | 3 May 01:39 2004
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Re: Approaches to show/performance schedule information in RSS

I suggested [1] that a module that talked about the feed ordering, 
update practices, etc. might be a good thing; is there any interest in 
that yet?

1. http://www.mnot.net/rss/channel.html

On Apr 26, 2004, at 12:11 PM, Danny Ayers wrote:

> Mark Fletcher wrote:
>
>> There are no guarantees about how your data will be displayed. 
>> Different
>> aggregators do different things. Bloglines, for example, displays 
>> items
>> in date order, and allows the user to decide whether to show newest
>> first or oldest first. When we detect a change in an item, we update 
>> the
>> date on that item to when we received the change. One of the ideas of
>> aggregation is to let the user control how they view the content.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Quite.
>
> The best you can do, which probably equates to best practices, is be as
> specific, descriptive and accurate as possible. At this point in time
> that probably means using RSS 1.0 along with extensions as needed. 
> There
> is no guarantee that all end users will support these, but some will,
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nine illuminating factoids about RSS 0.94

At http://www.wfzimmerman.com/article.php?story=20040504132459454

And other flavors of RSS and Atom at http://www.rssfunbook.com .

 
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Dave Winer | 7 May 00:45 2004
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Major new feeds: Reuters

About NewsML

An update on NewsML, from an information consumer’s perspective …

 

http://www.wfzimmerman.com/article.php?story=20040504183303433

 

Pavel Kalinov | 10 May 12:24 2004
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Re: Major new feeds: Reuters

Nice... Thanks for the tip.

Best regards
Pavel
http://feedz.info/

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Julian Bond | 13 May 13:08 2004

Google Groups and Atom

Gosh!

Google Groups Beta 2 is now a direct competitor to yahoogroups. As well 
as Usenet:-
- You can now start mailing lists
- Sub to usenet groups as if they were an email mailing list

And here's the kicker,
- Every group has one or more atom feeds.

http://groups-beta.google.com/
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/about
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feeds
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feed/msgs.xml
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feed/topics.xm
l

Now where's the atom or rss feed from Google news, froogle, images?...

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RE: Google Groups and Atom

It's certainly interesting to see how Google is unveiling its syndication
strategy step by step, skipping things that seem obvious to everyone else
but adding things that are pretty cool.    Who's got a good theory on where
this is all going?  Seems to me that gmail is an important piece ... I'd
love to be able to syndicate from within there.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Bond [mailto:julian_bond@...] 
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:09 AM
To: syndication@...
Subject: [syndication] Google Groups and Atom

Gosh!

Google Groups Beta 2 is now a direct competitor to yahoogroups. As well 
as Usenet:-
- You can now start mailing lists
- Sub to usenet groups as if they were an email mailing list

And here's the kicker,
- Every group has one or more atom feeds.

http://groups-beta.google.com/
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/about
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feeds
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feed/msgs.xml
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feed/topics.xm
l

Now where's the atom or rss feed from Google news, froogle, images?...

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RE: Google Groups and Atom

I just created a group called "Google-syndication-strategy" at

 http://groups-beta.google.com/group/google-syndication-strategy

-----Original Message-----
From: W. Frederick Zimmerman, Tech Fun Books
[mailto:rssfunbook@...] 
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:07 PM
To: syndication@...
Subject: RE: [syndication] Google Groups and Atom

It's certainly interesting to see how Google is unveiling its syndication
strategy step by step, skipping things that seem obvious to everyone else
but adding things that are pretty cool.    Who's got a good theory on where
this is all going?  Seems to me that gmail is an important piece ... I'd
love to be able to syndicate from within there.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Bond [mailto:julian_bond@...] 
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:09 AM
To: syndication@...
Subject: [syndication] Google Groups and Atom

Gosh!

Google Groups Beta 2 is now a direct competitor to yahoogroups. As well 
as Usenet:-
- You can now start mailing lists
- Sub to usenet groups as if they were an email mailing list

And here's the kicker,
- Every group has one or more atom feeds.

http://groups-beta.google.com/
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/about
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feeds
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feed/msgs.xml
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feed/topics.xm
l

Now where's the atom or rss feed from Google news, froogle, images?...

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RE: Google Groups and Atom

A few more comments after testing out Google Groups 2.  There are still some
wrinkles.

1) new groups aren't being promoted into the directory, at least not as
quickly as promised.  I couldn't find any Google mailing lists in the
directory yet -- it's almost all Usenet groups.
2) Google recommends the AmphetaDesk feed reader (see the "Feeds page", e.g
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/GRRM/feeds\)  but AD doesn't support
Atom!  Morbus Iff has no idea why Google singled out AmphetaDesk in this
fashion.
3) The My Groups tab at left sometimes truncates lengthy group names like
"google-syndication-strategy", producing broken URLs like this:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/google-syndi...strategy.

Cheers, 
Fred

PS -- I have a few other questions for any Google lurkers... 
-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Bond [mailto:julian_bond@...] 
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:09 AM
To: syndication@...
Subject: [syndication] Google Groups and Atom

Gosh!

Google Groups Beta 2 is now a direct competitor to yahoogroups. As well 
as Usenet:-
- You can now start mailing lists
- Sub to usenet groups as if they were an email mailing list

And here's the kicker,
- Every group has one or more atom feeds.

http://groups-beta.google.com/
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/about
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feeds
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feed/msgs.xml
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles.racing/feed/topics.xm
l

Now where's the atom or rss feed from Google news, froogle, images?...

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