pavka14 | 2 Jan 2004 23:19
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news aggregator web site

People, I am not sure if this is the correct group to post to, but
basically I am building a news-aggregating web site and would like
some feedback/advice.
You can see it at http://feedz.info/
It's based on PHP-Nuke, with a syndication module that I am writing.
It pulls RSS newsfeeds and then groups them in categories.
Everything is still under heavy development, and I'd really appreciate
some feature requests or professional advice (I am not a programming
guru).

Regards
Pavel
http://feedz.info/

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Dave Winer | 3 Jan 2004 16:29
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Announce: Share Your OPML (new site)

This is just an announcement (please don't reply, thanks) that we're doing some interesting stuff with subscriptions on this new site, and if you are interested in syndication, no matter what religous persuasion, you might enjoy this mini-mind-bender.
 
Information about sharing your OPML is here.
 
 
And since I gave permission for people to browse my subs, you can see them here.
 
 
Happy New Year, G'zai g'zint, and Praise Murphy! ;->
 
Dave

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Bill Kearney | 3 Jan 2004 17:15

Re: Announce: Share Your OPML (new site)


Which I'll remind folks is a feature Syndic8 has been offering for nearly two
years.

In not only OPML but in OCS and RSS formats too.  Others as the consumers
require.  We're open to interop with other sites as well as helping evolve open
standards.

Also supported by robust range of web services calls for creating and editing.

My list(s) can be found via:
http://www.syndic8.com/userinfo.php?UserID=wkearney99&Section=lists

-Bill Kearney
Syndic8.com

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This is just an announcement (please don't reply, thanks) that we're doing some
interesting stuff with subscriptions on this new site,

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MilkDaddy | 4 Jan 2004 11:42
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Legal Case Studies

Hi

Has a website ever been sued for pulling news feeds and if so are there any
case studies you can refer me to?

peace and respect

Shane

from South Africa

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Bill Kearney | 7 Jan 2004 00:52

Re: "Reborn into a world that's grown up"

>So comparing it to an OS doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[assorted non-sequitors snipped]

> The installed base of Movable Type is an utter mess of different syndication
> formats. How will they clean it up? They probably won't.

Dave, this is completely false.  MT defaults to providing both RSS-1.0 and 2.0,
both in well-formed and validating formats.  There's nothing wrong with MT's
output.  There's nothing about that needs cleaning up.  To insinuate this is a
lie.

> Blogger users are
> not exactly the most leading-edge people. Sure there are a lot of Live
> Journal Atom feeds, and there are just as many Live Journal RSS feeds, but I
> don't see too many people subscribing to either.

Then you're blind.  There are hundreds of thousands of people using those
services.

> So if you're planning on Atom sweeping up easily or quickly, you're
> dreaming. At best it can add more confusion to an already confused format
> space. Hardly something to celebrate.

Again, quit the FUD.  It's just not true and no matter how many times you chant
the lies they won't be the truth.

> About the protocols, you make a lot of sweeping statements that you don't
> justify. I don't like the way you characterize the MetaWeblog API, which I
> designed, deployed in two products, and evangelized successfully to get
> broad deployment in a very short period. It has stood the test of time. I've
> never heard anyone who actually built apps on top of it complain, quite the
> contrary, people seem pleased with its elegance. The Atom API steals the
> core idea of the MetaWeblog API, that the syndication format provides the
> basic vocabulary for the API. That was a new idea, not something Atom
> invented, but I don't recall seeing that acknowledged (I might have missed
> it).

Atom steals?  How about Dave steals?  RSS wasn't yours to claim copyright and
yet...

As for the metaweblog API, standing firmly (if half-baked) on the shoulders of
Evan's work with the Blogger API.  Even while ignoring the homegrown Manila API.

Dave, it's clear what you're after here is an abandonment of everyone's efforts
in developing Atom.  This is not going to happen.

If you can't see fit to participate in the development of Atom then honestly you
should find some other ways to spend your time.  This effort is going to
continue regardless of your FUD.

-Bill Kearney

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Rick Bradley | 7 Jan 2004 01:05

Re: Re: "Reborn into a world that's grown up"

* Bill Kearney (wkearney@...) [040106 18:57]:
> > About the protocols, you make a lot of sweeping statements that you don't
> > justify. I don't like the way you characterize the MetaWeblog API, which I
> > designed, deployed in two products, and evangelized successfully to get
> > broad deployment in a very short period. It has stood the test of time. I've
> > never heard anyone who actually built apps on top of it complain, quite the
> > contrary, people seem pleased with its elegance. 
[...]
> As for the metaweblog API, standing firmly (if half-baked) on the shoulders of
> Evan's work with the Blogger API.  Even while ignoring the homegrown Manila API.

Seems that Kimbro Staken disagrees with the "elegance" of the MetaWeblog API:

  <http://www.xmldatabases.org/WK/blog/587_Metaweblog_and_other_Syncato_bits.item>

I definitely trust Kimbro's take as a developer, and am highly skeptical
of most things coming out of Dave's keyboard (especially code).  Make
your own appraisals, but I, for one, am glad I never had to implement
the MetaWeblog API.

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Nick Lothian | 7 Jan 2004 01:20
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RE: From your list manager: "name-calling"

I was just randomly scanning my mail archive when I came across this post,
and was struck by what a useful message it is.

Perhaps it could be arranged to have it periodically re-posted?

Nick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Nottingham [mailto:mnot@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 3 May 2003 11:39 PM
> To: syndication@...
> Subject: [syndication] From your list manager: "name-calling"
> 
> 
> [ with my list-manager hat on...  ]
> 
> I'd like to get a sense of the list as to whether the "name-calling" 
> and similar traffic here is too distracting.
> 
> In the past, I've adopted a hands-off policy, because a) 
> intervening in 
> every incident is high-maintenance and b) it can easily be seen as 
> being partisan. However, it is (perhaps once again) getting over the 
> top. Although there does need to be some sort of "pressure valve" for 
> the community (hey, it'll happen somewhere), I'm starting to wonder 
> whether this is the appropriate place, especially since we have a 
> number of newbies and other folks who could care less about 
> this stuff.
> 
> One of the goals (or at least my personal goals) for this list is to 
> drive convergence in the syndication community. I'd like to hear from 
> the list members if they would have any problems with the following 
> policy:
> 
> 1) Posts containing ad hominem attacks against other people 
> *or* their 
> work (e.g., "bob is stupid", "bob's software sucks") are off-topic.
> 2) Posts not relating to syndication (e.g., "I'm going to ignore joe" 
> (perhaps because he is stupid; see #1)) are off-topic.
> 3) People making off-topic posts will be warned on-list (so 
> that no one 
> follows up) once.
> 4) A person continuing to make off-topic posts after being 
> warned will 
> be banned from posting to the list for a minimum of two 
> weeks; a person 
> who continually makes off-topic posts after being warned will be 
> permanently banned.
> 
> Please reply to this message if you have any issues with 
> this, or think 
> that it isn't necessary; if the community feels that this list is the 
> appropriate outlet for this kind of stuff, I'm happy to oblige, but I 
> don't think that's the case (OTOH, it could be that some people are 
> subscribed to this list for the entertainment value only).
> 
> 
> On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Julian Bond wrote:
> >
> > And now back to our regularly scheduled name-cal^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h
> > discussions about syndication.
> 
> 
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Ian Graham | 8 Jan 2004 05:04
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RE: From your list manager: "name-calling"


An excellent idea.

+1

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Nick Lothian wrote:

> I was just randomly scanning my mail archive when I came across this post,
> and was struck by what a useful message it is.
>
> Perhaps it could be arranged to have it periodically re-posted?
>
> Nick
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Nottingham [mailto:mnot@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 3 May 2003 11:39 PM
> > To: syndication@...
> > Subject: [syndication] From your list manager: "name-calling"
> >
> >
> > [ with my list-manager hat on...  ]
> >
> > I'd like to get a sense of the list as to whether the "name-calling"
> > and similar traffic here is too distracting.
> >
> > In the past, I've adopted a hands-off policy, because a)
> > intervening in
> > every incident is high-maintenance and b) it can easily be seen as
> > being partisan. However, it is (perhaps once again) getting over the
> > top. Although there does need to be some sort of "pressure valve" for
> > the community (hey, it'll happen somewhere), I'm starting to wonder
> > whether this is the appropriate place, especially since we have a
> > number of newbies and other folks who could care less about
> > this stuff.
> >
> > One of the goals (or at least my personal goals) for this list is to
> > drive convergence in the syndication community. I'd like to hear from
> > the list members if they would have any problems with the following
> > policy:
> >
> > 1) Posts containing ad hominem attacks against other people
> > *or* their
> > work (e.g., "bob is stupid", "bob's software sucks") are off-topic.
> > 2) Posts not relating to syndication (e.g., "I'm going to ignore joe"
> > (perhaps because he is stupid; see #1)) are off-topic.
> > 3) People making off-topic posts will be warned on-list (so
> > that no one
> > follows up) once.
> > 4) A person continuing to make off-topic posts after being
> > warned will
> > be banned from posting to the list for a minimum of two
> > weeks; a person
> > who continually makes off-topic posts after being warned will be
> > permanently banned.
> >
> > Please reply to this message if you have any issues with
> > this, or think
> > that it isn't necessary; if the community feels that this list is the
> > appropriate outlet for this kind of stuff, I'm happy to oblige, but I
> > don't think that's the case (OTOH, it could be that some people are
> > subscribed to this list for the entertainment value only).
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Julian Bond wrote:
> > >
> > > And now back to our regularly scheduled name-cal^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h
> > > discussions about syndication.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Rick Bradley | 8 Jan 2004 16:28

Re: From your list manager: "name-calling"

* Ian Graham (ian.graham@...) [040107 23:15]:
> An excellent idea.
> 
> +1
> 
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Nick Lothian wrote:
> 
> > I was just randomly scanning my mail archive when I came across this post,
> > and was struck by what a useful message it is.
> >
> > Perhaps it could be arranged to have it periodically re-posted?

Yeah, maybe we could even have the listserv tack it on as a footer to
all of Dave's posts as they come through, just so everyone knows there's
no use in trying to inject reality into the Fantasy Kingdom.

+1

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Dave Winer | 8 Jan 2004 16:34
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Re: From your list manager: "name-calling"

>>we could even have the listserv tack it on as a footer to all of Dave's
posts as they come through

I haven't posted to this list in a long time.

It's an old trick, flame about someone, people aren't paying close
attention, they think it's that person doing the flaming.

Talk about injecting reality.

Dave

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Subject: Re: [syndication] From your list manager: "name-calling"

> * Ian Graham (ian.graham@...) [040107 23:15]:
> > An excellent idea.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Nick Lothian wrote:
> >
> > > I was just randomly scanning my mail archive when I came across this
post,
> > > and was struck by what a useful message it is.
> > >
> > > Perhaps it could be arranged to have it periodically re-posted?
>
> Yeah, maybe we could even have the listserv tack it on as a footer to
> all of Dave's posts as they come through, just so everyone knows there's
> no use in trying to inject reality into the Fantasy Kingdom.
>
> +1
>
> Rick
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