Ken MacLeod | 8 Aug 06:18 2003
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Ken MacLeod's RSS Political FAQ

Several issues have popped up recently which inspired me to gather my
thoughts on them, to which I offer:

  Ken MacLeod's RSS Political FAQ
  http://bitsko.slc.ut.us/2003/08/ken-rss-faq.html

I welcome additions, updates, corrections, clarifications, questions,
answers, and, not surprising to most, coherent counter argument.

  -- Ken

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Jeremy Zawodny | 13 Aug 22:51 2003

Yahoo! News RSS Feeds Launched

I just blogged the news:

  http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000920.html

for the lazy:

  http://news.yahoo.com/rss

Jeremy
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Jeremy Zawodny | 13 Aug 23:23 2003

Re: Yahoo! News RSS Feeds Launched

On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 01:51:26PM -0700, Jeremy Zawodny wrote:
> I just blogged the news:
> 
>   http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000920.html
> 
> for the lazy:
> 
>   http://news.yahoo.com/rss

*sigh*

Someone jummped the gun (not me).

Stay tuned.

Jeremy
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Loren Baker | 26 Aug 03:10 2003
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Expanding Syndication of Content

Hello,

My name is Loren Baker and I am with WebAdvantage.net. We syndicate 
our eMarketing and Internet News via different techniques:

Google News
Moreover
RSS feeds
KlipFolio
Radio.Userland
and other traditional RSS aggregators

What am I missing if I want to fully expand our Syndication via the 
Internet's top and easy to use FREE syndication solutions.

Here's our content: http://www.webadvantage.net/tip.cfm

Thank you,
Loren Baker

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Mark Fletcher | 26 Aug 03:21 2003

Re: Expanding Syndication of Content

Loren Baker wrote:

>What am I missing if I want to fully expand our Syndication via the 
>Internet's top and easy to use FREE syndication solutions.
>
>Here's our content: http://www.webadvantage.net/tip.cfm
>
>  
>
I couldn't find any RSS feeds on your site. Do you have any? If not, 
start there. If so, make it easier for aggregators to find your feeds. See

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/06/02/important_change_to_the_link_tag

for information on helping aggregators auto-discover your feed.

Hope this helps.

Mark
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Jeremy Zawodny | 26 Aug 23:01 2003

Re: Yahoo! News RSS Feeds Launched

On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 01:51:26PM -0700, Jeremy Zawodny wrote:
> I just blogged the news:
> 
>   http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000920.html
> 
> for the lazy:
> 
>   http://news.yahoo.com/rss

Okay, as noted here:

   http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000952.html

They're up for real this time.

Jeremy
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Mark Fletcher | 26 Aug 23:27 2003

Re: Yahoo! News RSS Feeds Launched

Jeremy Zawodny wrote:

>Okay, as noted here:
>
>   http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000952.html
>
>They're up for real this time.
>
>  
>
Looks great! One suggestion to make it easier for people to subscribe 
would be to include a set of <link> tags on http://news.yahoo.com/rss to 
identify the feeds specifically. Like this:

|<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Top Stories" 
href="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/topstories">
||<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="World" 
href="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/world">
||<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Business" 
href="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/business">
||<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Technology" 
href="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/tech">
||<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Politics" 
href="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/politics">
||<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Sports" 
href="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/sports">
||<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Entertainment" 
href="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/entertainment">
||<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Health" 
href="http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/health">
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Mark Fletcher | 27 Aug 00:41 2003

Re: Yahoo! News RSS Feeds Launched

Jeremy Zawodny wrote:

>Okay, as noted here:
>
>   http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000952.html
>
>They're up for real this time.
>
>  
>
It looks like that the <link> for each item in the feed changes every 
time the feed is fetched. It looks like a tracking URL is being used, 
perhaps to correlate a link to a particular RSS fetch. I don't mind the 
tracking aspect, but because the link changes, Bloglines considers each 
item as being updated every time we fetch one of the feeds. We track 
which items each user has read, and when an item is updated, we treat it 
as an unread item. So users end up seeing items they've already read, 
over and over.

Any chance of getting this changed? We could special case the Yahoo 
feeds. Or we could ignore changes to <link> tags in general. Both are 
doable, but suboptimal.

As an aside, to other aggregator writers. Do other aggregators consider 
changes to <links> to indicate that an item has been updated?

Thanks,

Mark
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Jeremy Zawodny | 27 Aug 00:55 2003

Re: Yahoo! News RSS Feeds Launched

On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 03:41:48PM -0700, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> Jeremy Zawodny wrote:
> 
> >Okay, as noted here:
> >
> >   http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000952.html
> >
> >They're up for real this time.
> >
>
> It looks like that the <link> for each item in the feed changes every 
> time the feed is fetched.

I'm not seeing that happen. 

Can anyone else reproduce it?  If so, what RSS URL?

I'm testing with:

  http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/topstories

and it seems okay. 

> It looks like a tracking URL is being used, perhaps to correlate a
> link to a particular RSS fetch.

It's a tracking URL to track that your click came from the RSS feed,
but not from a particular fetch. 

> I don't mind the tracking aspect, but because the link changes,
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Mark Fletcher | 27 Aug 01:14 2003

Re: Yahoo! News RSS Feeds Launched

Jeremy Zawodny wrote:

>I'm not seeing that happen. 
>
>Can anyone else reproduce it?  If so, what RSS URL?
>
>I'm testing with:
>
>  http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/topstories
>
>and it seems okay. 
>  
>
Hmm. That's the feed I saw it with. We fetch hourly, and between the 
2:45pm and 3:45pm fetch, the urls didn't change. They did change from 
our initial fetch at around 2:10pm (when the first user subscribed) and 
the normal 2:45pm fetch. Maybe it was a one-time thing. Here's a sample 
just for kicks:

What we got around 2:10pm or so:
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/716/1b61ffe3d3e401f8a236c4e4727dcd70/*http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl
=story2&u=/ap/20030826/ap_on_sc/shuttle_investigation

What we got at 2:45pm:
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/716/56c2218fb25259b13bf8066330154de1/*http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?t
mpl=story2&u=/ap/20030826/ap_on_sc/shuttle_investigation

Again, we didn't see it between the last two fetches. Perhaps it was a 
fluke.

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