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Karinu | 2 Dec 2002 15:59

OpenNIC Discuss: Outbound email to ICANN domains

I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this issue. At current, I
am running this mailserver for anari.null and have no ICANN-visible
domains. Users can receive email from non-OpenNIC sites thanks to the
forwarder provided at simkin.ca, but for the moment responding is
impossible as modern mail servers refuse email from domains they cannot
resolve.

I've looked into the masquerading and virtual hosting features of
sendmail but it looks like even if I had an ICANN-visible domain as
well, it would be at best a per-user decision as to which domain to use,
rather than per-recipient. Does anyone else have another approach?
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Michael Patrick | 3 Dec 2002 02:18

Re: OpenNIC Discuss: Outbound email to ICANN domains

At 09:59 AM 12/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this issue. At current, I
>am running this mailserver for anari.null and have no ICANN-visible
>domains. Users can receive email from non-OpenNIC sites thanks to the
>forwarder provided at simkin.ca, but for the moment responding is
>impossible as modern mail servers refuse email from domains they cannot
>resolve.

Its not a modern thing... its called paranoid mode (at least for sendmail) 
where the remote wants the A and PTR dns to match.  Your IP reverse is

43.118.164.24.in-addr.arpa. 64152 IN    PTR     net24-164-118-043.neo.rr.com.

so when the remote tries to match that against your HELO (probably 
mail.anari.null) it fails.  Since you can't do anything about your reverse 
(unless RoadRunner is nicer than AT&T) you need to modify your HELO line to 
be net24-164-118-043.neo.rr.com.  In qmail I would do this by setting the 
"me" file.  In Sendmail I don't know how you'd do it but good search terms 
are probably "Sendmail HELO change".

Michael

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Alan Hodgson | 3 Dec 2002 18:24

Re: OpenNIC Discuss: Outbound email to ICANN domains

On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 07:18:15PM -0600, Michael Patrick wrote:
> At 09:59 AM 12/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this issue. At current, I
> >am running this mailserver for anari.null and have no ICANN-visible
> >domains. Users can receive email from non-OpenNIC sites thanks to the
> >forwarder provided at simkin.ca, but for the moment responding is
> >impossible as modern mail servers refuse email from domains they cannot
> >resolve.
> 
> Its not a modern thing... its called paranoid mode (at least for sendmail) 
> where the remote wants the A and PTR dns to match.  Your IP reverse is
> 
> 43.118.164.24.in-addr.arpa. 64152 IN    PTR     net24-164-118-043.neo.rr.com.
> 
> so when the remote tries to match that against your HELO (probably 
> mail.anari.null) it fails.  Since you can't do anything about your reverse 
> (unless RoadRunner is nicer than AT&T) you need to modify your HELO line to 
> be net24-164-118-043.neo.rr.com.  In qmail I would do this by setting the 
> "me" file.  In Sendmail I don't know how you'd do it but good search terms 
> are probably "Sendmail HELO change".
>

This is not the issue.

The issue is that many SMTP receivers check to see if the sending domain
exists (by looking for an A or MX record) before accepting the MAIL FROM
command.

For servers who cannot "see" OpenNIC space, OpenNIC domains do not exist.
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Rhonda Hyslop | 5 Dec 2002 23:59

OpenNIC Discuss: anonymizer.com and stuff

Hey, I just randomly decided to try getting www.paradox.null via
anonymizer.com, since they mentioned supporting it soon...  it works
now!

I'm thinking that putting up alternate links on the search engine
results to allow people to go through the anonymizer if they can't get
it themselves might be a good idea.  Any comments on whether or not to
do so, and how to promote it, display it, and/or describe it?

-Rhonda
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Rhonda Hyslop | 5 Dec 2002 23:54

OpenNIC Discuss: which TLD?

I've been tossing the idea of moving the OpenNIC search engine from
http://www.paradox.null/htdig/ to its own domain (the ICANN-accessible
page would stay where it is) but I don't know which TLD it would fit in.

The recent discussion of a generic TLD sounded like it would work, but
as far as I can tell that isn't going anywhere.

Does anybody have any comments as to which of our current TLDs would be
appropriate for a search engine?

-Rhonda
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Pascal Gloor | 6 Dec 2002 02:46
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OpenNIC Discuss: support on irc servers

for the ones interested, OpenNIC TLDs are supported on the following
Undernet IRC Servers.

    - Geneva.ch.eu.undernet.org
    - Atlanta.ga.us.undernet.org

P.

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Thomas Matysik | 6 Dec 2002 03:36
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Re: OpenNIC Discuss: support on irc servers


hrm... neither one appears to accept "vnc.paradon.null" as a reverse domain name.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:46:14 +0100
"Pascal Gloor" <pascal.gloor <at> spale.com> wrote:

> for the ones interested, OpenNIC TLDs are supported on the following
> Undernet IRC Servers.
> 
>     - Geneva.ch.eu.undernet.org
>     - Atlanta.ga.us.undernet.org
> 
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Pascal Gloor | 6 Dec 2002 09:38
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Re: OpenNIC Discuss: support on irc servers

Well, it seems to be resolved (on geneva.ch.eu.undernet.org)

[root <at> minotor]-~ >nslookup vnc.paradon.null
Server:  localhost
Address:  127.0.0.1

Name:    vnc.paradon.null
Address:  202.37.90.138

[root <at> minotor]-~ >nslookup 202.37.90.138
Server:  localhost
Address:  127.0.0.1

Name:    vnc.paradon.null
Address:  202.37.90.138

[root <at> minotor]-~ >

try to reconnect, sometimes when dns takes too long ircd connects the user
without hostname. then you just need to disconnect/reconnect and at this
time the dns server has it in cache and the query in much faster and ircd
will be happy :-). Please retry, from my point of view, there is no reason
is should not work.

P.

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Aaron J. Angel | 8 Dec 2002 02:20

Re: OpenNIC Discuss: support on irc servers

Pascal Gloor wrote:

>for the ones interested, OpenNIC TLDs are supported on the following
>Undernet IRC Servers.
>
>    - Geneva.ch.eu.undernet.org
>    - Atlanta.ga.us.undernet.org
>
>  
>
Add gerrold.freenode.net (ipv6-only) and ... forget the other one ... to 
the list.  (-:

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Mooneer Salem | 16 Dec 2002 23:18

OpenNIC Discuss: NewsFactor article on Yahoo

Hello,

Someone pointed me to this link today:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=75&u=/nf/20021125/tc_nf/200
76&printer=1.
It's the same article from NewsFactor but Yahoo somehow syndicated it.
Interesting,
to say the least. It'd be interesting to know how many people access
OpenNIC's site
from Yahoo's article.

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