Re: [opennms-devel] OpenNMS architecture and trying to wrap your brain around a large project.

Matt,

    That's good info to know. It also tells me that any class 
interaction diagram that I complete now is going to be pretty worthless 
in a short period of time. That's really not a big deal to me though. I 
feel that a good set of UML diagrams and cases could be beneficial to 
your tasks as well. Being able to trace what happens at various given 
situations would make it much easier to write very detailed test cases. 
I am currently working on these diagrams in "Dia" since there is both a 
Windows and a Linux version of that app. Any preferences?

Deven

On this day, 11/30/2004 12:26 PM,  the esteemed Matt Brozowski replied, 
with the utmost intelligence

>Deven,
>	In response to this I thought I would let you know the current  
>development plan.
>
>We are working to release 1.2.0 by the end of the year.  (This was  
>postponed due to some bugs that were architecture level bugs rather  
>than code level causing some relatively large changes)
>
>The current development process for medium to large development is to  
>develop a set of JUnit unit tests along with the development of  
>whatever feature you are adding so that as we patch/merge the feature  
>into the product and as we make future changes we can validate that  
>things continue to work.
>

Re: [opennms-devel] Call for UML Diagrammers (was: OpenNMS architecture and trying to wrap your brain around a large project.)

I have never really used a good tool for UML diagramming.  Having  
worked for mostly only very small shops the last 5 years we mostly  
would jot down diagrams on paper to brainstorm and then when straight  
to the code.  I am open to recommendations from the devel community on  
good tools to use for diagramming.  Someone else was recommending one  
to me lately but it slips my mind which one it was.   How about  
everyone with an opinion on this nominate their favorite diagrammer and  
then we can each look at them and we'll select one that everyone can  
use.

There are a basic set of needs in order to be able to use one.  I do  
all my development on Mac, many of you use Windows, and of course  
Linux.  So if we could find one that runs on all of those platforms  
that would be the best.  Also many of us use Eclipse to do our  
development, so an Eclipse plugin would also be very acceptible as  
well.

Send you nominations in and I'll compile a list of diagrammers that we  
can all vote on.

Matt

On Nov 30, 2004, at 8:14 PM, Deven Phillips wrote:

> Matt,
>
>    That's good info to know. It also tells me that any class  
> interaction diagram that I complete now is going to be pretty  
> worthless in a short period of time. That's really not a big deal to  
> me though. I feel that a good set of UML diagrams and cases could be  

RE: [opennms-devel] OpenNMS architecture and trying to wrap yourbrain around a large project.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deven Phillips [mailto:dphillips <at> ezrez.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:14 PM
> To: opennms-devel <at> lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [opennms-devel] OpenNMS architecture and trying to wrap
> yourbrain around a large project.
> 
> 
> Matt,
> 
>     That's good info to know. It also tells me that any class 
> interaction diagram that I complete now is going to be pretty 
> worthless 
> in a short period of time. That's really not a big deal to me 
> though. I 
> feel that a good set of UML diagrams and cases could be beneficial to 
> your tasks as well. Being able to trace what happens at various given 
> situations would make it much easier to write very detailed 
> test cases. 
> I am currently working on these diagrams in "Dia" since there 
> is both a 
> Windows and a Linux version of that app. Any preferences?
> 
> Deven

If you haven't seen it, check out Umbrello it kicks the snot out of using DIA for UML.

http://uml.sourceforge.net/index.php

It does not meet the "also runs on Windows" criteria (it requires KDE), but DIA pales in comparison as

[opennms-devel] Re: Porting to Tomcat5 (was: RPMs for SuSE 9.1)

Forgive me for possibly starting a possibly long thread, but both SuSE 9.1 and 
9.2 come with prepackaged RPMs for Tomcat 5 on the CD/DVD set. It seems to me 
that it's not so hard to find a relatively "standard" Tomcat 5 package 

If you want to provide me remote access to your RedHat or other rpm based 
distro I can have a shot at building the SuSE srpm for you.

Cheers

Peter

On Tuesday 30 November 2004 19:32, Matt Brozowski wrote:
> This has not gone as far as I had liked with the biggest problem being
> the lack of a standard RPM (or other package) for Tomcat 5.  We are
> investigating a JPackage distribution but unfortunately that is quite a
> bit of work for us and will require major changes to our installer.
> Unless someone volunteers to contribute some work here, this will
> probably not happen until after the 1.2 stable release.
>
> Matt
>
> On Nov 24, 2004, at 7:43 AM, Peter Nixon wrote:
> > Hi Guys
> >
> > It has been a few months since I asked this question, and SuSE 9.2 is
> > now out
> > also. What is the status of the move to Tomcat 5? I have a bunch of new
> > customers wanting an NMS system, and am wondering if I should take
> > another
> > look at OpenNMS or is it still not going to work? Unfortunately I

Re: [opennms-devel] Call for UML Diagrammers

Matt Brozowski wrote:
> I have never really used a good tool for UML diagramming.  Having  
> worked for mostly only very small shops the last 5 years we mostly  
> would jot down diagrams on paper to brainstorm and then when straight  
> to the code.  I am open to recommendations from the devel community on  
> good tools to use for diagramming.  Someone else was recommending one  
> to me lately but it slips my mind which one it was.   How about  
> everyone with an opinion on this nominate their favorite diagrammer and  
> then we can each look at them and we'll select one that everyone can  use.
> 
> There are a basic set of needs in order to be able to use one.  I do  
> all my development on Mac, many of you use Windows, and of course  
> Linux.  So if we could find one that runs on all of those platforms  
> that would be the best.  Also many of us use Eclipse to do our  
> development, so an Eclipse plugin would also be very acceptible as  well.
> 
> Send you nominations in and I'll compile a list of diagrammers that we  
> can all vote on.
> 

I would suggest taking a look at ArgoUML:

http://argouml.tigris.org/

It's fairly well developed, there's a commercial package (Poseidon) 
based on it, and it's Java, so it should run pretty much anywhere. I 
haven't used it in a while, but I remember it being a pretty 
straightforward diagrammer. One feature that I think was in the works 
was importing an existing code base and having it generate the class 
diagrams, but I'm not sure if that's in there yet.

[opennms-devel] UML Diagrammers

Re: [opennms-devel] Call for UML Diagrammers

Derek,

    That actually looks like a winner. It's cross-platform, has 
reverse-engineering capabilities, can generate stub code based on a 
diagram... Looks like it's everything we could ask for.. It's got my vote!!!

Deven Phillips

On this day, 12/1/2004 2:54 PM,  the esteemed Derek Chen-Becker replied, 
with the utmost intelligence

>Matt Brozowski wrote:
>  
>
>>I have never really used a good tool for UML diagramming.  Having  
>>worked for mostly only very small shops the last 5 years we mostly  
>>would jot down diagrams on paper to brainstorm and then when straight  
>>to the code.  I am open to recommendations from the devel community on  
>>good tools to use for diagramming.  Someone else was recommending one  
>>to me lately but it slips my mind which one it was.   How about  
>>everyone with an opinion on this nominate their favorite diagrammer and  
>>then we can each look at them and we'll select one that everyone can  use.
>>
>>There are a basic set of needs in order to be able to use one.  I do  
>>all my development on Mac, many of you use Windows, and of course  
>>Linux.  So if we could find one that runs on all of those platforms  
>>that would be the best.  Also many of us use Eclipse to do our  
>>development, so an Eclipse plugin would also be very acceptible as  well.
>>
>>Send you nominations in and I'll compile a list of diagrammers that we  
>>can all vote on.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>I would suggest taking a look at ArgoUML:
>
>http://argouml.tigris.org/
>
>It's fairly well developed, there's a commercial package (Poseidon) 
>based on it, and it's Java, so it should run pretty much anywhere. I 
>haven't used it in a while, but I remember it being a pretty 
>straightforward diagrammer. One feature that I think was in the works 
>was importing an existing code base and having it generate the class 
>diagrams, but I'm not sure if that's in there yet.
>
>Derek
>
>
>  
>

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Re: [opennms-devel] Call for UML Diagrammers

Well... The suggestions I've gotten are Dia and ArgoUML.  And the guy  
that suggested Dia has switch to Argo.  Looking at the Argo features I  
give it my vote as well.  So as far as I'm concerned its Argo.

I haven't seen how ArgoUML does sequence diagrams so I thought I make a  
plug for a tool a friend of mine has written. Its pretty decent for  
whipping out a quick sequence diagram.   You can try it at  
http://www.fourpart.com.  If you like it maybe we can see if he'll  
provide a free license for OpenSource projects.

Thanks for your input guys.

Matt

On Dec 8, 2004, at 7:00 PM, Deven Phillips wrote:

> Derek,
>
>    That actually looks like a winner. It's cross-platform, has  
> reverse-engineering capabilities, can generate stub code based on a  
> diagram... Looks like it's everything we could ask for.. It's got my  
> vote!!!
>
> Deven Phillips
>
> On this day, 12/1/2004 2:54 PM,  the esteemed Derek Chen-Becker  
> replied, with the utmost intelligence
>
>> Matt Brozowski wrote:
>>
>>> I have never really used a good tool for UML diagramming.  Having   
>>> worked for mostly only very small shops the last 5 years we mostly   
>>> would jot down diagrams on paper to brainstorm and then when  
>>> straight  to the code.  I am open to recommendations from the devel  
>>> community on  good tools to use for diagramming.  Someone else was  
>>> recommending one  to me lately but it slips my mind which one it  
>>> was.   How about  everyone with an opinion on this nominate their  
>>> favorite diagrammer and  then we can each look at them and we'll  
>>> select one that everyone can  use.
>>>
>>> There are a basic set of needs in order to be able to use one.  I do  
>>>  all my development on Mac, many of you use Windows, and of course   
>>> Linux.  So if we could find one that runs on all of those platforms   
>>> that would be the best.  Also many of us use Eclipse to do our   
>>> development, so an Eclipse plugin would also be very acceptible as   
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Send you nominations in and I'll compile a list of diagrammers that  
>>> we  can all vote on.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I would suggest taking a look at ArgoUML:
>>
>> http://argouml.tigris.org/
>>
>> It's fairly well developed, there's a commercial package (Poseidon)  
>> based on it, and it's Java, so it should run pretty much anywhere. I  
>> haven't used it in a while, but I remember it being a pretty  
>> straightforward diagrammer. One feature that I think was in the works  
>> was importing an existing code base and having it generate the class  
>> diagrams, but I'm not sure if that's in there yet.
>>
>> Derek
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [opennms-devel] Call for UML Diagrammers

Deven Phillips wrote:
> Derek,
> 
>    That actually looks like a winner. It's cross-platform, has 
> reverse-engineering capabilities, can generate stub code based on a 
> diagram... Looks like it's everything we could ask for.. It's got my 
> vote!!!
> 

Cool :) One thing to note. Since I hadn't worked with it in a while I 
decided to play with it after I recommended it and I found a bug that 
affects the current release on Linux 1.5 JVMs. The bug only affects 
source import for diagram reverse engineering so that may or may not be 
important. I assume they would have the fix released soon, but if not 
let me know and I can send the patch.

Derek

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Re: [opennms-devel] Ipv6 Support

I'd like to monitor nodes on an ipv6 network which has its gateway to 
the internet on ipv4
i don't care so much that onms runs on ipv6 as long as it can monitor 
nodes.

sounds like option #5 below would handle what we needed.

s

Scott Every
Blast Wireless
http://www.blast.com/
On Nov 24, 2004, at 11:45 AM, David Hustace wrote:

>
> On Nov 24, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Tarus Balog wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Scott Every wrote:
>>
>>> when will it support ipv6?
>>
>> I'm not sure. This question was also asked on the opennms-install 
>> list. OpenNMS was architected specifically for IPv4 so that IPv6 
>> support could be added later, but to be perfectly honest I've never 
>> used IPv6 nor have I seen it being used at any of our customers (not 
>> that it means they aren't using it, I just haven't been exposed to 
>> it).
>
> What does support ipv6 mean to you, sunshine <at> aruba.it and Scott?  Does 
> this mean that OpenNMS is able to bind to IPv6 addresss or does this 
> mean we can query the IPv6 MIBs of devices that are IPv6 enabled.  We 
> can, and probably any other NMS, can do the latter.  If the former, 
> could you help us understand what those implications are?  Such as:
>
> 	1)  Do we need to bind to IPv4 and IPv6 interfaces on the NMS host?
> 	2)  We'll have to research how this impacts PostgreSQL and JDBC.
> 	3)  Will the IPv6 privacy extensions impact us?  (i.e. Randomly 
> generated IPv6 address suffixes)
> 	4)  Are IPv4-mapped IPv6 addresses sufficient or possible for network 
> management?
> 	5)  Could we get away with a paper on network management using 6to4 
> upstream and/or downstream tunneling or RFC 3056?  In other words, can 
> we exist in an IPv6 world while we are still IPv4?  (It seams Linux 
> supports this world with these tunnels)
>
> The implications are far reaching within the logic of the code, as 
> well as the layer 3 implications.  The IPLIKE syntax for example (Hey 
> gang, another great reason to move to regex functionality! laughs) and 
> all the <begin> <end> ranges defined in the the config files.  Not 
> being very familiar with IPv6, what would those ranges look like?
>
> -David
>
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