AppleTalk-only printing

Hi all,

I would like to use Netatalk's atalk functionality to drive an old Apple LaserWriter 4/600 PS. This is a
PostScript printer that speaks AppleTalk exclusively (so neither LPD nor TCP/IP printing is an option).

I am currently using an AsanteTalk LocalTalk/Ethernet bridge to physically connect the printer to a
MacBook Pro running OSX 10.5.8. This setup works fine using Leopard's built-in driver for the 4/600, and I
am able to print without any problems.

The problem is that AppleTalk support was permanently removed as of OSX 10.6. Since the physical
connections still work, I am hoping to use (the relevant parts of) Netatalk as a starting point for a workaround.

I am quite comfortable building from source (and have gcc and related tools installed and working), but I am
not nearly knowledgeable enough to be fiddling with drivers or kernel extensions. Does anyone know if
what I'm attempting to do is even possible? (If not, I would really appreciate finding out before I spend
lots of time building bdb and netatalk and trying to get it all to work.)

Thanks very much in advance!

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Re: AppleTalk-only printing

I could be wrong, but I think netatalk's appletalk printing functionality is primarily limited to acting
as an Appletalk print server for locally-supported (e.g. CUPS-compatible) printers, not printing to
Appletalk-only devices.  I could be totally and completely wrong.  I've only ever set it up as a print server
for older Appletalk-only machines.

>From a practical standpoint, it probably makes more sense to get a $200 laser printer from HP that does
Bonjour and AirPrint right out of the box; it'll print faster (often full duplex) and take less power, the
toner is easier to find, and it's supported by modern operating systems.  And if you need to serve older
Appletalk-only machines, you can use netatalk as a bridge!  But those old LaserWriters were built like
tanks, and I understand completely the allure of running older machines.

- Dave

On Oct 13, 2011, at 12:12 PM, H J wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to use Netatalk's atalk functionality to drive an old Apple LaserWriter 4/600 PS. This is a
PostScript printer that speaks AppleTalk exclusively (so neither LPD nor TCP/IP printing is an option).
> 
> I am currently using an AsanteTalk LocalTalk/Ethernet bridge to physically connect the printer to a
MacBook Pro running OSX 10.5.8. This setup works fine using Leopard's built-in driver for the 4/600, and I
am able to print without any problems.
> 
> The problem is that AppleTalk support was permanently removed as of OSX 10.6. Since the physical
connections still work, I am hoping to use (the relevant parts of) Netatalk as a starting point for a workaround.
> 
> I am quite comfortable building from source (and have gcc and related tools installed and working), but I
am not nearly knowledgeable enough to be fiddling with drivers or kernel extensions. Does anyone know if
what I'm attempting to do is even possible? (If not, I would really appreciate finding out before I spend

Re: AppleTalk-only printing

From: H J <heywoodj123 <at> yahoo.com>, 13 Oct 2011 09:12:12 -0700 (PDT)

> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to use Netatalk's atalk functionality to drive an old Apple LaserWriter 4/600 PS. This is a
PostScript printer that speaks AppleTalk exclusively (so neither LPD nor TCP/IP printing is an option).
> 
> I am currently using an AsanteTalk LocalTalk/Ethernet bridge to physically connect the printer to a
MacBook Pro running OSX 10.5.8. This setup works fine using Leopard's built-in driver for the 4/600, and I
am able to print without any problems.
> 
> The problem is that AppleTalk support was permanently removed as of OSX 10.6. Since the physical
connections still work, I am hoping to use (the relevant parts of) Netatalk as a starting point for a workaround.
> 
> I am quite comfortable building from source (and have gcc and related tools installed and working), but I
am not nearly knowledgeable enough to be fiddling with drivers or kernel extensions. Does anyone know if
what I'm attempting to do is even possible? (If not, I would really appreciate finding out before I spend
lots of time building bdb and netatalk and trying to get it all to work.)
> 
> Thanks very much in advance!

Did you try "pap" command?

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Re: AppleTalk-only printing

At 9:12 Uhr -0700 13.10.2011, H J wrote:
>I would like to use Netatalk's atalk functionality to drive an old Apple
>LaserWriter 4/600 PS. This is a PostScript printer that speaks AppleTalk
>exclusively (so neither LPD nor TCP/IP printing is an option).

[Your mail client creates endless lines that have to be wrapped manually
when replying. Just saying.]

Take a look at pap(1)

PAP(1)                          Netatalk 2.0.4                          PAP(1)

NAME
       pap - client interface to remote printers using Printer Access Protocol

SYNOPSIS
       pap [-A address] [-c] [-d] [-e] [-E] [-p nbpname] [-s statusfile] [-w]
           [-W] [FILES]

DESCRIPTION
       pap is used to connect and send files to an AppleTalk connected printer
       using the Apple Printer Access Protocol (PAP). When pap starts
       execution, it tries to open a session with the printer using PAP, and
       then downloads the files to the printer.
[...]

-- I used to have the same setup with a Brother HL-4PS many moons ago, so
it can be done. My /etc/printcap still has

# Brother HL-4PS via LocalTalk bridge

Re: AppleTalk-only printing

I should also point out that Appletalk support is broken in NetBSD as-is (I'm not sure my patch to fix it ever
got pulled into -current, but then I haven't checked in a while).  If you're looking to do this with NetBSD
(e.g. if you're looking to use an OldWorld PPC Mac, which isn't supported very well by modern Linux
distros), I can set you up with a patch.

- Dave

On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Hauke Fath wrote:

> At 9:12 Uhr -0700 13.10.2011, H J wrote:
>> I would like to use Netatalk's atalk functionality to drive an old Apple
>> LaserWriter 4/600 PS. This is a PostScript printer that speaks AppleTalk
>> exclusively (so neither LPD nor TCP/IP printing is an option).
> 
> [Your mail client creates endless lines that have to be wrapped manually
> when replying. Just saying.]
> 
> 
> Take a look at pap(1)
> 
> PAP(1)                          Netatalk 2.0.4                          PAP(1)
> 
> NAME
>       pap - client interface to remote printers using Printer Access Protocol
> 
> SYNOPSIS
>       pap [-A address] [-c] [-d] [-e] [-E] [-p nbpname] [-s statusfile] [-w]
>           [-W] [FILES]
> 
> DESCRIPTION

Problem (cross-)compiling netatalk with zeroconf

Hi,

as I already have posted on the admin-mailing list, I am having problems cross-compiling netatalk with
zeroconf-support. I am trying to build netatalk for my OpenWRT-Router.

I am configuring netatalk with --enable-zeroconf=/var/openwrt/trunk/staging_dir/target-mips_r2_uClibc-0.9.32/usr

In config.log, there is the following:

configure:16064: checking avahi-client/client.h usability
configure:16064: mips-openwrt-linux-uclibc-gcc -c -Os -pipe -mips32r2 -mtune=mips32r2
-fno-caller-saves -fhonour-copts -msoft-float
-I/var/openwrt/trunk/staging_dir/target-mips_r2_uClibc-0.9.32/usr/include -std=gnu99
-DNO_DEBUG   conftest.c >&5
configure:16064: $? = 0
configure:16064: result: yes
configure:16064: checking avahi-client/client.h presence
configure:16064: mips-openwrt-linux-uclibc-gcc -E  conftest.c
conftest.c:135:33: fatal error: avahi-client/client.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.

The problem is the call to "gcc -E conftest.c", which does not receive the include path. 

Probably some error with the autoconf.

Needless to say, client.h exists in /var/openwrt/trunk/staging_dir/target-mips_r2_uClibc-0.9.32/usr/include/avahi-client

Any hints?

Thanks,

Re: Problem (cross-)compiling netatalk with zeroconf

Found the error:

in macros/iconv.m4 , the line

CPPFLAGS="$saved_CPPFLAGS"

needs to be deleted, as it clears the CPPFLAGS ($saved_CPPFLAGS is never assigned a value)

Regards,
 Philipp

Am 17.10.2011 um 16:16 schrieb Philipp Leusmann:

> Hi,
> 
> as I already have posted on the admin-mailing list, I am having problems cross-compiling netatalk with
zeroconf-support. I am trying to build netatalk for my OpenWRT-Router.
> 
> I am configuring netatalk with --enable-zeroconf=/var/openwrt/trunk/staging_dir/target-mips_r2_uClibc-0.9.32/usr
> 
> In config.log, there is the following:
> 
> configure:16064: checking avahi-client/client.h usability
> configure:16064: mips-openwrt-linux-uclibc-gcc -c -Os -pipe -mips32r2 -mtune=mips32r2
-fno-caller-saves -fhonour-copts -msoft-float
-I/var/openwrt/trunk/staging_dir/target-mips_r2_uClibc-0.9.32/usr/include -std=gnu99
-DNO_DEBUG   conftest.c >&5
> configure:16064: $? = 0
> configure:16064: result: yes
> configure:16064: checking avahi-client/client.h presence

Re: Problem (cross-)compiling netatalk with zeroconf

2011/10/17 Philipp Leusmann <ml <at> byteshift.eu>:
> Found the error:
>
> in macros/iconv.m4 , the line
>
> CPPFLAGS="$saved_CPPFLAGS"
>
> needs to be deleted, as it clears the CPPFLAGS ($saved_CPPFLAGS is never assigned a value)

good catch, thanks! Fixed.

-f

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