Naama Bar Menachem | 1 Nov 2010 08:36
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Can I synchronize net-snmp with Linux users module?

Can I tell net-snmp to synchronize with the Linux users module?

Instead of duplicating all user’s definition and passwords in

(1)snmp configuration file

(2)Linux files (such as shadow,passwd,group&gshadow),

I want snmp to get the user information from same Linux files.

 

Is it possible?

If so, how to implement?

 

Thank you,

Naama

 

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Naama Bar Menachem | 1 Nov 2010 10:37
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error: Encryption support not enabled

Hi 


when I run the following GET commad:
./snmpget -m ALL -M /data/net/naamab/snmp/snmp_mib/ -v 3 -a MD5 -l authPriv  -u test1 -A welcome1 -x DES -X privpass 127.0.0.1 NOVELSAT-MODULATOR-MIB::nsModLineCMMode.0 -d

I get the error:

Encryption support not enabled.

snmpget: USM encryption error

 

I have defined a user (and user, view and access) that should work with encryption:
snmpd.conf:
createUser test1  MD5 welcome1 DES privpass
group  debugGroup     usm        test1
view   debugView      included    .1
access debugGroup      ""      usm       priv      exact  debugView      debugView      none

general details:
I am using net-snmp on linux embedded 
version 5.5
Configuration (part of it):
./configure --target=mips64-octeon-linux-gnu
                   --build=mips64-octeon-linux-gnu
                   --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu


message dump:

Sending 64 bytes to UDP: [127.0.0.1]:161->[0.0.0.0]

0000: 30 3E 02 01  03 30 11 02  04 1D 23 6A  FA 02 03 00    0>...0....#j....

0016: FF E3 04 01  04 02 01 03  04 10 30 0E  04 00 02 01    ..........0.....

0032: 00 02 01 00  04 00 04 00  04 00 30 14  04 00 04 00    ..........0.....

0048: A0 0E 02 04  4C 08 7B B5  02 01 00 02  01 00 30 00    ....L.{.......0.

 

Received 118 bytes from UDP: [127.0.0.1]:161->[0.0.0.0]

0000: 30 74 02 01  03 30 11 02  04 1D 23 6A  FA 02 03 00    0t...0....#j....

0016: FF E3 04 01  00 02 01 03  04 24 30 22  04 11 80 00    .........$0"....

0032: 1F 88 80 2D  53 AF 7D 00  00 00 00 00  00 00 08 02    ...-S.}.........

0048: 02 02 CF 02  03 01 11 C5  04 00 04 00  04 00 30 36    ..............06

0064: 04 11 80 00  1F 88 80 2D  53 AF 7D 00  00 00 00 00    .......-S.}.....

0080: 00 00 08 04  00 A8 1F 02  04 4C 08 7B  B5 02 01 00    .........L.{....

0096: 02 01 00 30  11 30 0F 06  0A 2B 06 01  06 03 0F 01    ...0.0...+......

0112: 01 04 00 41  01 09                                    ...A..

 

 

 

Thank you

Naama

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yogesh m | 1 Nov 2010 13:06
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No connection between snmp manager and agent when data is loaded dynamically in table

I am adding dynamically data in my net snmp agent table with the help of thread. When i run my agent then data place into table but my manager unable to connect to agent when data is filling in the table... but when i stop thread who is filling data in table then manager connect to agent...can any one tell me that how can manager connect to agent when data is dynamically loaded in the table....???

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Ron Rader | 1 Nov 2010 14:10
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RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

V3 encryption is only available after you link your SNMP agent to the OpenSSL libraries.  You need to reconfigure/rebuild your agent and try again.

 

Ron

 

From: Naama Bar Menachem [mailto:naama.barmenachem <at> novelsat.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:37 AM
To: net-snmp-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Naama Bar Menachem
Subject: error: Encryption support not enabled

 

Hi 


when I run the following GET commad:
./snmpget -m ALL -M /data/net/naamab/snmp/snmp_mib/ -v 3 -a MD5 -l authPriv  -u test1 -A welcome1 -x DES -X privpass 127.0.0.1 NOVELSAT-MODULATOR-MIB::nsModLineCMMode.0 -d

I get the error:

Encryption support not enabled.

snmpget: USM encryption error

 

I have defined a user (and user, view and access) that should work with encryption:
snmpd.conf:
createUser test1  MD5 welcome1 DES privpass
group  debugGroup     usm        test1
view   debugView      included    .1
access debugGroup      ""      usm       priv      exact  debugView      debugView      none

general details:
I am using net-snmp on linux embedded 
version 5.5
Configuration (part of it):
./configure --target=mips64-octeon-linux-gnu
                   --build=mips64-octeon-linux-gnu
                   --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu


message dump:

Sending 64 bytes to UDP: [127.0.0.1]:161->[0.0.0.0]

0000: 30 3E 02 01  03 30 11 02  04 1D 23 6A  FA 02 03 00    0>...0....#j....

0016: FF E3 04 01  04 02 01 03  04 10 30 0E  04 00 02 01    ..........0.....

0032: 00 02 01 00  04 00 04 00  04 00 30 14  04 00 04 00    ..........0.....

0048: A0 0E 02 04  4C 08 7B B5  02 01 00 02  01 00 30 00    ....L.{.......0.

 

Received 118 bytes from UDP: [127.0.0.1]:161->[0.0.0.0]

0000: 30 74 02 01  03 30 11 02  04 1D 23 6A  FA 02 03 00    0t...0....#j....

0016: FF E3 04 01  00 02 01 03  04 24 30 22  04 11 80 00    .........$0"....

0032: 1F 88 80 2D  53 AF 7D 00  00 00 00 00  00 00 08 02    ...-S.}.........

0048: 02 02 CF 02  03 01 11 C5  04 00 04 00  04 00 30 36    ..............06

0064: 04 11 80 00  1F 88 80 2D  53 AF 7D 00  00 00 00 00    .......-S.}.....

0080: 00 00 08 04  00 A8 1F 02  04 4C 08 7B  B5 02 01 00    .........L.{....

0096: 02 01 00 30  11 30 0F 06  0A 2B 06 01  06 03 0F 01    ...0.0...+......

0112: 01 04 00 41  01 09                                    ...A..

 

 

 

Thank you

Naama




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Naama Bar Menachem | 1 Nov 2010 14:16
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RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

What changes do I need to perform in order to enable the encryption?

If I will just recompile/rebuild without changing anything, I will get the same result as now… J

 

Thanks,

Naama

 

 

From: Ron Rader [mailto:ron.rader <at> cipheroptics.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 3:10 PM
To: Naama Bar Menachem; net-snmp-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

 

V3 encryption is only available after you link your SNMP agent to the OpenSSL libraries.  You need to reconfigure/rebuild your agent and try again.

 

Ron

 

From: Naama Bar Menachem [mailto:naama.barmenachem <at> novelsat.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:37 AM
To: net-snmp-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Naama Bar Menachem
Subject: error: Encryption support not enabled

 

Hi 


when I run the following GET commad:
./snmpget -m ALL -M /data/net/naamab/snmp/snmp_mib/ -v 3 -a MD5 -l authPriv  -u test1 -A welcome1 -x DES -X privpass 127.0.0.1 NOVELSAT-MODULATOR-MIB::nsModLineCMMode.0 -d

I get the error:

Encryption support not enabled.

snmpget: USM encryption error

 

I have defined a user (and user, view and access) that should work with encryption:
snmpd.conf:
createUser test1  MD5 welcome1 DES privpass
group  debugGroup     usm        test1
view   debugView      included    .1
access debugGroup      ""      usm       priv      exact  debugView      debugView      none

general details:
I am using net-snmp on linux embedded 
version 5.5
Configuration (part of it):
./configure --target=mips64-octeon-linux-gnu
                   --build=mips64-octeon-linux-gnu
                   --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu


message dump:

Sending 64 bytes to UDP: [127.0.0.1]:161->[0.0.0.0]

0000: 30 3E 02 01  03 30 11 02  04 1D 23 6A  FA 02 03 00    0>...0....#j....

0016: FF E3 04 01  04 02 01 03  04 10 30 0E  04 00 02 01    ..........0.....

0032: 00 02 01 00  04 00 04 00  04 00 30 14  04 00 04 00    ..........0.....

0048: A0 0E 02 04  4C 08 7B B5  02 01 00 02  01 00 30 00    ....L.{.......0.

 

Received 118 bytes from UDP: [127.0.0.1]:161->[0.0.0.0]

0000: 30 74 02 01  03 30 11 02  04 1D 23 6A  FA 02 03 00    0t...0....#j....

0016: FF E3 04 01  00 02 01 03  04 24 30 22  04 11 80 00    .........$0"....

0032: 1F 88 80 2D  53 AF 7D 00  00 00 00 00  00 00 08 02    ...-S.}.........

0048: 02 02 CF 02  03 01 11 C5  04 00 04 00  04 00 30 36    ..............06

0064: 04 11 80 00  1F 88 80 2D  53 AF 7D 00  00 00 00 00    .......-S.}.....

0080: 00 00 08 04  00 A8 1F 02  04 4C 08 7B  B5 02 01 00    .........L.{....

0096: 02 01 00 30  11 30 0F 06  0A 2B 06 01  06 03 0F 01    ...0.0...+......

0112: 01 04 00 41  01 09                                    ...A..

 

 

 

Thank you

Naama

 


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Ron Rader | 1 Nov 2010 14:21
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RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

You need to compile OpenSSL on your project FIRST, then figure out how to link snmpd in your cross-compile (guessing that you’re cross-compiling based on the configure snippet you shared earlier).

 

This may be easy, but probably not.  In any case it is beyond the scope of an email message or two.

 

I recently did this on our platform and ended up abandoning our previous cross-compile.  I had to build the agent on our native platform in order to make our toolchain handle the snmpd<->OpenSSL link.  Don’t mean to scare you, but it wasn’t trivial.

 

Ron

 

From: Naama Bar Menachem [mailto:naama.barmenachem <at> novelsat.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Ron Rader
Cc: net-snmp-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

 

What changes do I need to perform in order to enable the encryption?

If I will just recompile/rebuild without changing anything, I will get the same result as now… J

 

Thanks,

Naama

 

 

From: Ron Rader [mailto:ron.rader <at> cipheroptics.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 3:10 PM
To: Naama Bar Menachem; net-snmp-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

 

V3 encryption is only available after you link your SNMP agent to the OpenSSL libraries.  You need to reconfigure/rebuild your agent and try again.

 

 




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Naama Bar Menachem | 1 Nov 2010 14:22
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RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

Can you please refer me to the OpenSSL library?

I have no idea where do I get it and how to compile it…

 

Naama

 

From: Ron Rader [mailto:ron.rader <at> cipheroptics.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 3:22 PM
To: Naama Bar Menachem
Cc: net-snmp-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

 

You need to compile OpenSSL on your project FIRST, then figure out how to link snmpd in your cross-compile (guessing that you’re cross-compiling based on the configure snippet you shared earlier).

 

This may be easy, but probably not.  In any case it is beyond the scope of an email message or two.

 

I recently did this on our platform and ended up abandoning our previous cross-compile.  I had to build the agent on our native platform in order to make our toolchain handle the snmpd<->OpenSSL link.  Don’t mean to scare you, but it wasn’t trivial.

 

Ron

 

From: Naama Bar Menachem [mailto:naama.barmenachem <at> novelsat.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:16 AM
To: Ron Rader
Cc: net-snmp-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

 

What changes do I need to perform in order to enable the encryption?

If I will just recompile/rebuild without changing anything, I will get the same result as now… J

 

Thanks,

Naama

 

 

From: Ron Rader [mailto:ron.rader <at> cipheroptics.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 3:10 PM
To: Naama Bar Menachem; net-snmp-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

 

V3 encryption is only available after you link your SNMP agent to the OpenSSL libraries.  You need to reconfigure/rebuild your agent and try again.

 

 

 


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Ron Rader | 1 Nov 2010 14:26
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RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

http://www.openssl.org/

 

From: Naama Bar Menachem [mailto:naama.barmenachem <at> novelsat.com]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:23 AM
To: Ron Rader
Cc: net-snmp-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: error: Encryption support not enabled

 

Can you please refer me to the OpenSSL library?

I have no idea where do I get it and how to compile it…

 




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Dave Shield | 1 Nov 2010 15:35
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Re: Re: Ask for help

    [ First - *please* don't mail me privately, without copying
     any responses to the mailing list.  I don't have the time
     or inclination to offer private, unpaid, SNMP consultancy.
     Keep discussions to the list, where others can both learn
     and offer advice.  Thanks.   ]

2010/10/28 高明慧 <gaominghui1986 <at> 163.com>:
> Thanks for your Email in reply.
> There is a bug when I install net-snmp-5.6 on hp-unix11.
> After confirue and make(no error).when I make install,there happen to a bug.
> There bug as follows,
>
> installing snmpnetstat in /home/snmp/net-snmp/bin
>         rm -f /home/snmp/net-snmp/bin/snmpinform
>         ln -s snmptrap /home/snmp/net-snmp/bin/snmpinform
> libtool: install: .././install-sh -c -m 644 ./snmp_perl_trapd.pl
> /home/snmp/net-snmp/share/snmp/snmp_perl_trapd.pl
> install:  installed snmp_perl_trapd.pl in /home/snmp/net-snmp/share/snmp
> making install in /home/snmp/net-snmp-5.6/net-snmp-5.6/man
> libtool: install: .././install-sh -c -m 644 ./snmpinform.1
>     /home/snmp/net-snmp/share/man/man1/snmpinform.1
> install:  installed snmpinform.1 in /home/snmp/net-snmp/share/man/man1
> libtool: install: .././install-sh -c -m 644 ./snmp-bridge-mib.1
>     /home/snmp/net-snmp/share/man/man1/snmp-bridge-mib.1
> install:  installed snmp-bridge-mib.1 in /home/snmp/net-snmp/share/man/man1
       :
> install:  installed traptoemail.1 in /home/snmp/net-snmp/share/man/man1
> install:  installed net-snmp-create-v3-user.1 in
>     /home/snmp/net-snmp/share/man/man1
> sh: Syntax error at line 1 : `;' is not expected.
> *** Error exit code 2
> Stop.
> *** Error exit code 1
> Stop.

Hmmm...
I *think* that the install program is getting confused by 'MAN3' being empty
in the latest release.   Please try editing the file 'man/Makefile'
(and 'man/Makefile.in')  and delete the line

         <at> for i in $(MAN3) ; do $(INSTALL_DATA) $(srcdir)/$$i
$(INSTALL_PREFIX)$(man3dir) ; echo "install:  installed $$i in
$(INSTALL_PREFIX)$(man3dir)" ; done

Does that help?

> --------------------------
> I have installed net-snmp-5.3.3 instead.
> when I input "snmpwalk -v 3 -u v3username -l authPriv -a MD5 -A authpass -x
> DES -X privpass localhost HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRun" to get information of
> process that running in the system.
> I am sure the configration of snmpd.conf is right.
> If on hp-unix11 or IBM AIX the return is "HOST-RESOURCES-MIB::hrSWRun:
> Unknown Object Identifier",but on fedora 11 , it return the proper result.
> p.s. on hp-unix11 , IBM AIX ,fedora 11.I install the same net-snmp-5.3.3

It's likely that the agent in the earlier release simply did not include the
necessary code to implement this particular table on these operating
systems.   I'm not sure whether this has been addressed in the 5.6 release,
but it's more likely to work than the 5.3.x. line.

Try the fix above, and see whether you can install the software correctly.

Dave

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Matthew Topper | 1 Nov 2010 19:29
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Win32 traps to event logs

I'm trying to set the format of the message that is printed when
snmptrapd, running as a service receives an SNMP trap.  I'd like to
have it actually parse the OIDs into their names, if possible.  I've
tried setting the format in smptrapd.conf, but that didn't seem to
work.  I also tried passing the format argument directly to the exe by
changing the ImageName value in the registry.  That didn't seem to
work either.

Here's what I'd like to have it display as:

%B: %w - %v

I'm making the assumption that this will give me something along the lines of:

Hostname: description - values.

Here's what my event log entries look like now:

192.168.0.1 [UDP: [0.0.0.0]->[192.168.0.1]:161]: Trap ,
.1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3.0 = Timeticks: (362648132) 41 days, 23:21:21.32,
.1.3.6.1.6.3.1.1.4.1.0 = OID: .1.3.6.1.4.1.8741.1.1.2.0.116,
.1.3.6.1.4.1.8741.1.1.1.1.1.0 = INTEGER: 560,
.1.3.6.1.4.1.8741.1.1.1.1.2.0 = STRING: "SN=<obfustaced>;Administrator
login denied due to bad credentials -  Source:<src>, 0, X0, CAPDC -
Destination:<dest>, X0 -  admin, TCP HTTP"

That's a trap from a sonicwall firewall that a login failed.  The
source and destination are part of the firewall log and not the SNMP
trap.

Here's my snmptrapd.conf

disableAuthorization yes
#traphandle default perl c:\snmp\snmptt
traphandle default perl c:\snmp\snmptthandler

format "%B: %W: %v"

I'm not sure where or what that traphandle declaration is.

Here's my snmp.conf

mibdirs c:\usr\share\snmp\mibs
mibs +ALL
persistentDir c:\usr\snmp\persist
tempFilePattern c:\usr\temp\snmpdXXXXXX
printNumericOids 1
defCommunity <community>

I just saw something:  Is printNumericOids the problem?

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