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textshell | 1 Dec 2007 23:42
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Re: account registration <at> jabber.org

On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:52:15AM +0000, Kevin Smith wrote:
> On 28 Nov 2007, at 03:01, Michail Pishchagin wrote:
> > Couldn't we simply request the registration form, then terminate a
> > connection and establish a new connection when all the parameters are
> > ready?
> 
> Not if we want it to work reliably; the server config may well have  
> changed since we requested the form (this is another of these examples  
> that keeps popping up of where we need atomicity). The solution is  
> really just leaving the socket open for a reasonable length of time.  
> It doesn't have to be forever, just long enough to reasonably fill out  
> the form.
> 

I think the right thing to do is something inbetween. If the connection
times out while the user is still filling the form, psi should add a small
red text to the form but keep going. If the user submits psi will reconnect
and send the data to the server. Yes, this is a bit "racy" but in the
normal case it works...
I bet server admins are not changing their setting all the time to annoy
users ;)
But it's not really any more racy than any normal http form processing.

 - Martin
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smoooms | 2 Dec 2007 16:22

psi crashes after destroying muc

Hello,

with the current svn build (revision 871) psi crashes after destroying a
MUC with "Destroy Room". The message "The room has been destroyed" is
shown, but after this psi crashes.

I've discovered this behavior on conference.jabber.ccc.de.

cheers
smo
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Peter Saint-Andre | 2 Dec 2007 17:56
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Re: psi crashes after destroying muc

On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 04:22:50PM +0100, smoooms wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> with the current svn build (revision 871) psi crashes after destroying a
> MUC with "Destroy Room". The message "The room has been destroyed" is
> shown, but after this psi crashes.
> 
> I've discovered this behavior on conference.jabber.ccc.de.

I saw this too with some earlier builds when destroying rooms on
conference.jabber.org, but I have not tested it recently.

Peter

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Kevin Smith | 3 Dec 2007 10:31
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Re: psi crashes after destroying muc

On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:22, smoooms wrote:
> with the current svn build (revision 871) psi crashes after  
> destroying a
> MUC with "Destroy Room". The message "The room has been destroyed" is
> shown, but after this psi crashes.

Added as
http://flyspray.psi-im.org/task/737
thanks.

/K
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Hal Rottenberg | 11 Dec 2007 14:07
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location of conf files redux

I've brought this up before on Windows.  This morning a user brought it up regarding Macs:

[07:37:06] <nicoduck> i have a question: why does not psi store the app data (under mac os x) in the normal ~/Library/Application_Support folder?
[07:59:27] <halr9000> is that the "correct" place to do so?
[07:59:49] <halr9000> the short answer is that I believe the devs wanted a consistent location across the 3 platforms we support
[08:00:09] <halr9000> but it's always bugged me that on Windows psidata is not stored in ~/Application Data
[08:01:00] <halr9000> I'm not a Mac user, nor a dev (I'm the webmaster), so I can't say with authority what is or what should be done
[08:01:16] <halr9000> but if other apps store data in ~/Library/Application_Support on a mac--I agree with you
[08:03:46] <nicoduck> jep
[08:03:48] <nicoduck> they do so
[08:04:10] <nicoduck> it is the compliant to the ~/Application Data on windows
[08:04:33] <nicoduck> and i'm not very happy about it, because i realized it AFTER i reinstalled my mac
[08:04:53] <nicoduck> and lost all logs, since thy are stored in a different directory



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<p>I've brought this up before on Windows.&nbsp; This morning a user brought it up regarding Macs:<br><br></p>
<p>[07:37:06]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;i&nbsp;have&nbsp;a&nbsp;question:&nbsp;why&nbsp;does&nbsp;not&nbsp;psi&nbsp;store&nbsp;the&nbsp;app&nbsp;data&nbsp;(under&nbsp;mac&nbsp;os&nbsp;x)&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;normal&nbsp;~/Library/Application_Support&nbsp;folder?
<br>[07:59:27]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;is&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;"correct"&nbsp;place&nbsp;to&nbsp;do&nbsp;so?<br>
[07:59:49]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;the&nbsp;short&nbsp;answer&nbsp;is&nbsp;that&nbsp;I&nbsp;believe&nbsp;the&nbsp;devs&nbsp;wanted&nbsp;a&nbsp;consistent&nbsp;location&nbsp;across&nbsp;the&nbsp;3&nbsp;platforms&nbsp;we&nbsp;support<br>
[08:00:09]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;but&nbsp;it's&nbsp;always&nbsp;bugged&nbsp;me&nbsp;that&nbsp;on&nbsp;Windows&nbsp;psidata&nbsp;is&nbsp;not&nbsp;stored&nbsp;in&nbsp;~/Application&nbsp;Data<br>
[08:01:00]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;I'm&nbsp;not&nbsp;a&nbsp;Mac&nbsp;user,&nbsp;nor&nbsp;a&nbsp;dev&nbsp;(I'm&nbsp;the&nbsp;webmaster),&nbsp;so&nbsp;I&nbsp;can't&nbsp;say&nbsp;with&nbsp;authority&nbsp;what&nbsp;is&nbsp;or&nbsp;what&nbsp;should&nbsp;be&nbsp;done<br>
[08:01:16]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;but&nbsp;if&nbsp;other&nbsp;apps&nbsp;store&nbsp;data&nbsp;in&nbsp;~/Library/Application_Support&nbsp;on&nbsp;a&nbsp;mac--I&nbsp;agree&nbsp;with&nbsp;you<br>
[08:03:46]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;jep<br>
[08:03:48]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;they&nbsp;do&nbsp;so<br>
[08:04:10]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;it&nbsp;is&nbsp;the&nbsp;compliant&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;~/Application&nbsp;Data&nbsp;on&nbsp;windows<br>
[08:04:33]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;and&nbsp;i'm&nbsp;not&nbsp;very&nbsp;happy&nbsp;about&nbsp;it,&nbsp;because&nbsp;i&nbsp;realized&nbsp;it&nbsp;AFTER&nbsp;i&nbsp;reinstalled&nbsp;my&nbsp;mac<br>
[08:04:53]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;and&nbsp;lost&nbsp;all&nbsp;logs,&nbsp;since&nbsp;thy&nbsp;are&nbsp;stored&nbsp;in&nbsp;a&nbsp;different&nbsp;directory</p>
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Norman Rasmussen | 11 Dec 2007 15:51
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Re: location of conf files redux

+1 for storing files in a platform specific way,

~/.psi (on linux)
~/Library/Application_Support/Psi (on mac)
%APPDATA%\Psi (on windows)

On Dec 11, 2007 3:07 PM, Hal Rottenberg < hal-3FxRaZ2VR5VWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
I've brought this up before on Windows.  This morning a user brought it up regarding Macs:

[07:37:06] <nicoduck> i have a question: why does not psi store the app data (under mac os x) in the normal ~/Library/Application_Support folder?
[07:59:27] <halr9000> is that the "correct" place to do so?
[07:59:49] <halr9000> the short answer is that I believe the devs wanted a consistent location across the 3 platforms we support
[08:00:09] <halr9000> but it's always bugged me that on Windows psidata is not stored in ~/Application Data
[08:01:00] <halr9000> I'm not a Mac user, nor a dev (I'm the webmaster), so I can't say with authority what is or what should be done
[08:01:16] <halr9000> but if other apps store data in ~/Library/Application_Support on a mac--I agree with you
[08:03:46] <nicoduck> jep
[08:03:48] <nicoduck> they do so
[08:04:10] <nicoduck> it is the compliant to the ~/Application Data on windows
[08:04:33] <nicoduck> and i'm not very happy about it, because i realized it AFTER i reinstalled my mac
[08:04:53] <nicoduck> and lost all logs, since thy are stored in a different directory



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<p>+1 for storing files in a platform specific way,<br><br>~/.psi (on linux)<br>~/Library/Application_Support/Psi (on mac)<br>%APPDATA%\Psi (on windows)<br><br></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 11, 2007 3:07 PM, Hal Rottenberg &lt;
<a href="mailto:hal@...">hal@...</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">I've brought this up before on Windows.&nbsp; This morning a user brought it up regarding Macs:
<br><br><p>[07:37:06]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;i&nbsp;have&nbsp;a&nbsp;question:&nbsp;why&nbsp;does&nbsp;not&nbsp;psi&nbsp;store&nbsp;the&nbsp;app&nbsp;data&nbsp;(under&nbsp;mac&nbsp;os&nbsp;x)&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;normal&nbsp;~/Library/Application_Support&nbsp;folder?
<br>[07:59:27]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;is&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;"correct"&nbsp;place&nbsp;to&nbsp;do&nbsp;so?<br>
[07:59:49]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;the&nbsp;short&nbsp;answer&nbsp;is&nbsp;that&nbsp;I&nbsp;believe&nbsp;the&nbsp;devs&nbsp;wanted&nbsp;a&nbsp;consistent&nbsp;location&nbsp;across&nbsp;the&nbsp;3&nbsp;platforms&nbsp;we&nbsp;support<br>
[08:00:09]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;but&nbsp;it's&nbsp;always&nbsp;bugged&nbsp;me&nbsp;that&nbsp;on&nbsp;Windows&nbsp;psidata&nbsp;is&nbsp;not&nbsp;stored&nbsp;in&nbsp;~/Application&nbsp;Data<br>
[08:01:00]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;I'm&nbsp;not&nbsp;a&nbsp;Mac&nbsp;user,&nbsp;nor&nbsp;a&nbsp;dev&nbsp;(I'm&nbsp;the&nbsp;webmaster),&nbsp;so&nbsp;I&nbsp;can't&nbsp;say&nbsp;with&nbsp;authority&nbsp;what&nbsp;is&nbsp;or&nbsp;what&nbsp;should&nbsp;be&nbsp;done<br>
[08:01:16]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;but&nbsp;if&nbsp;other&nbsp;apps&nbsp;store&nbsp;data&nbsp;in&nbsp;~/Library/Application_Support&nbsp;on&nbsp;a&nbsp;mac--I&nbsp;agree&nbsp;with&nbsp;you<br>
[08:03:46]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;jep<br>
[08:03:48]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;they&nbsp;do&nbsp;so<br>
[08:04:10]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;it&nbsp;is&nbsp;the&nbsp;compliant&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;~/Application&nbsp;Data&nbsp;on&nbsp;windows<br>
[08:04:33]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;and&nbsp;i'm&nbsp;not&nbsp;very&nbsp;happy&nbsp;about&nbsp;it,&nbsp;because&nbsp;i&nbsp;realized&nbsp;it&nbsp;AFTER&nbsp;i&nbsp;reinstalled&nbsp;my&nbsp;mac<br>
[08:04:53]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;and&nbsp;lost&nbsp;all&nbsp;logs,&nbsp;since&nbsp;thy&nbsp;are&nbsp;stored&nbsp;in&nbsp;a&nbsp;different&nbsp;directory</p>
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Remko Tronçon | 11 Dec 2007 16:29
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Re: location of conf files redux

There's already a flyspray task for this, and a reason why we don't
have this yet: we need to migrate the old configuration to the new
dir, which is the hard part. There are 2 ways to do this:
- On OS X: move the old dir to the new dir (if the new dir doesn't
exist), and link the old dir to the new dir.
- On Windows: do a recursive copy of the old dir if the new dir
doesn't exist yet, and leave behind a
"DO_NOT_EDIT_THIS_DIR_AS_IT_HAS_BEEN_MIGRATED_ELSEWHERE"  file (it
sounds evil to delete the dir, and we need to make sure that the user
doesn't accidentally edit his own dir)

I'm fine with using the latter solution on mac os x as well, although
it is slightly less clean.

Now all we need is someone to implement this properly.

cheers,
Remko

PS: It's "Application Support". Mac OS X can handle spaces in
filenames just fine ;-)
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Hal Rottenberg | 11 Dec 2007 18:27
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Re: location of conf files redux

And we can still use PSIDATA env var for stuff because that would point to whatever the current case is for that platform and that user.

On Dec 11, 2007 9:51 AM, Norman Rasmussen < norman-jsiQGjUZkXfbNDpEy91xOQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
+1 for storing files in a platform specific way,

~/.psi (on linux)
~/Library/Application_Support/Psi (on mac)
%APPDATA%\Psi (on windows)

On Dec 11, 2007 3:07 PM, Hal Rottenberg < hal-3FxRaZ2VR5VWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
I've brought this up before on Windows.  This morning a user brought it up regarding Macs:

[07:37:06] <nicoduck> i have a question: why does not psi store the app data (under mac os x) in the normal ~/Library/Application_Support folder?
[07:59:27] <halr9000> is that the "correct" place to do so?
[07:59:49] <halr9000> the short answer is that I believe the devs wanted a consistent location across the 3 platforms we support
[08:00:09] <halr9000> but it's always bugged me that on Windows psidata is not stored in ~/Application Data
[08:01:00] <halr9000> I'm not a Mac user, nor a dev (I'm the webmaster), so I can't say with authority what is or what should be done
[08:01:16] <halr9000> but if other apps store data in ~/Library/Application_Support on a mac--I agree with you
[08:03:46] <nicoduck> jep
[08:03:48] <nicoduck> they do so
[08:04:10] <nicoduck> it is the compliant to the ~/Application Data on windows
[08:04:33] <nicoduck> and i'm not very happy about it, because i realized it AFTER i reinstalled my mac
[08:04:53] <nicoduck> and lost all logs, since thy are stored in a different directory



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<p>And we can still use PSIDATA env var for stuff because that would point to whatever the current case is for that platform and that user.<br><br></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 11, 2007 9:51 AM, Norman Rasmussen &lt;<a href="mailto:norman@...">
norman@...</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">+1 for storing files in a platform specific way,<br><br>~/.psi (on linux)<br>~/Library/Application_Support/Psi (on mac)<br>%APPDATA%\Psi (on windows)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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<div class="Wj3C7c">On Dec 11, 2007 3:07 PM, Hal Rottenberg &lt;
<a href="mailto:hal@..." target="_blank">hal@...</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote">
<div>
<div></div>
<div class="Wj3C7c">I've brought this up before on Windows.&nbsp; This morning a user brought it up regarding Macs:
<br><br><p>[07:37:06]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;i&nbsp;have&nbsp;a&nbsp;question:&nbsp;why&nbsp;does&nbsp;not&nbsp;psi&nbsp;store&nbsp;the&nbsp;app&nbsp;data&nbsp;(under&nbsp;mac&nbsp;os&nbsp;x)&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;normal&nbsp;~/Library/Application_Support&nbsp;folder?
<br>[07:59:27]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;is&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;"correct"&nbsp;place&nbsp;to&nbsp;do&nbsp;so?<br>
[07:59:49]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;the&nbsp;short&nbsp;answer&nbsp;is&nbsp;that&nbsp;I&nbsp;believe&nbsp;the&nbsp;devs&nbsp;wanted&nbsp;a&nbsp;consistent&nbsp;location&nbsp;across&nbsp;the&nbsp;3&nbsp;platforms&nbsp;we&nbsp;support<br>
[08:00:09]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;but&nbsp;it's&nbsp;always&nbsp;bugged&nbsp;me&nbsp;that&nbsp;on&nbsp;Windows&nbsp;psidata&nbsp;is&nbsp;not&nbsp;stored&nbsp;in&nbsp;~/Application&nbsp;Data<br>
[08:01:00]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;I'm&nbsp;not&nbsp;a&nbsp;Mac&nbsp;user,&nbsp;nor&nbsp;a&nbsp;dev&nbsp;(I'm&nbsp;the&nbsp;webmaster),&nbsp;so&nbsp;I&nbsp;can't&nbsp;say&nbsp;with&nbsp;authority&nbsp;what&nbsp;is&nbsp;or&nbsp;what&nbsp;should&nbsp;be&nbsp;done<br>
[08:01:16]&nbsp;&lt;halr9000&gt;&nbsp;but&nbsp;if&nbsp;other&nbsp;apps&nbsp;store&nbsp;data&nbsp;in&nbsp;~/Library/Application_Support&nbsp;on&nbsp;a&nbsp;mac--I&nbsp;agree&nbsp;with&nbsp;you<br>
[08:03:46]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;jep<br>
[08:03:48]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;they&nbsp;do&nbsp;so<br>
[08:04:10]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;it&nbsp;is&nbsp;the&nbsp;compliant&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;~/Application&nbsp;Data&nbsp;on&nbsp;windows<br>
[08:04:33]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;and&nbsp;i'm&nbsp;not&nbsp;very&nbsp;happy&nbsp;about&nbsp;it,&nbsp;because&nbsp;i&nbsp;realized&nbsp;it&nbsp;AFTER&nbsp;i&nbsp;reinstalled&nbsp;my&nbsp;mac<br>
[08:04:53]&nbsp;&lt;nicoduck&gt;&nbsp;and&nbsp;lost&nbsp;all&nbsp;logs,&nbsp;since&nbsp;thy&nbsp;are&nbsp;stored&nbsp;in&nbsp;a&nbsp;different&nbsp;directory</p>
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Bart Peiren | 15 Dec 2007 18:38
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Hi all,

I've just downloaded Psi-0.12-devel_20071215.dmg.  Apparently my Growl notifications have gone.  I've removed Psi from the apps in Growl, and after relaunching Psi and having someone come online, it's not added.  When I return to 0.11 final, it works perfectly.

Not really a big thing, but I thought I'd just let you guys know.

System:
Mac OS X 10.5.1
Growl 1.1.2
Psi nightly Dec 15



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<div>Hi all,<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div>I've just downloaded&nbsp;<a href="http://www.kismith.co.uk/files/psi/mac/nightlies/Psi-0.12-devel_20071215.dmg">Psi-0.12-devel_20071215.dmg</a>. &nbsp;Apparently my Growl notifications have gone. &nbsp;I've removed Psi from the apps in Growl, and after relaunching Psi and having someone come online, it's not added. &nbsp;When I return to 0.11 final, it works perfectly.</div>
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<div>Not really a big thing, but I thought I'd just let you guys know.</div>
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Kevin Smith | 17 Dec 2007 10:03
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Re: Growl in nightlies

On 15 Dec 2007, at 17:38, Bart Peiren wrote:
> I've just downloaded Psi-0.12-devel_20071215.dmg.  Apparently my  
> Growl notifications have gone.  I've removed Psi from the apps in  
> Growl, and after relaunching Psi and having someone come online,  
> it's not added.  When I return to 0.11 final, it works perfectly.

Great, thanks for the heads up (reformat and forgot to install the  
Growl development package on the nightlies machine).

Best,
/K
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