Fwd: [JIRA] Resolved: (JM-288) Don't allow multiple unlimited roster auth requests

I think we need to fix this one.  Jive is a pretty popular server. 
The URL below has all the history you'll need.

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From: Hal Rottenberg <halr9000@...>
Date: May 31, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [JIRA] Resolved: (JM-288) Don't allow multiple unlimited
roster auth requests
To: "Gaston Dombiak (JIRA)" <webmaster@...>

Thanks Gaston for running this one down.  We'll put it in our database
to fix soon.

On 5/31/05, Gaston Dombiak (JIRA) <webmaster@...> wrote:
>      [ http://www.jivesoftware.org/issues/browse/JM-288?page=history ]
>
> Gaston Dombiak resolved JM-288:
> -------------------------------
>
>     Resolution: Won't Fix
>
> So this seems to be a Psi issue after all. Latest version of JM follows the XMPP spec accurately (regarding
roster and presence management) and even so the endless loop happens.
>
> > Don't allow multiple unlimited roster auth requests
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> >          Key: JM-288
> >          URL: http://www.jivesoftware.org/issues/browse/JM-288
> >      Project: Jive Messenger

Re: Re: windows builds

http://norman.rasmussen.org/dl/psi/

CVS vanilla builds (like mblsha, but daily), and Nolan's Arch builds
(daily too) are now both running on a scheduled task.

IceRAM: Can you update the forum post so that's is a bit clearer that
I'm doing two sets of builds, and not CVS with the MUC patches applied


I ran out of disk space this evening (50MB), so I un-clicked limit
space.  The account says it has a 100MB limit on it, but I can
probably get that disabled too, otherwise I'll just have to limit the
page to 2 successfully builds each or something.

On 30/05/05, Norman Rasmussen <normanr@...> wrote:
> My unofficial builds page is now up and running:
> 
>     http://norman.rasmussen.org/dl/psi/
> 
> CVS is happily working on scheduled builds. Until I get time to check
> the Arch builds, they will be happening manually.
> 
> The source control update log is always packaged.
> The build log is packaged if there were any changes detected.
> Output files are packaged if there was a successful build.
> 
> On 26/05/05, Norman Rasmussen <normanr@...> wrote:
> > IceRAM has already added me to the 'Unofficial Builds/Patches' forum
> > page.  I'm happy not doing the official builds, because of the licence
> > issue too.  You might want to put a link to the unofficial builds page

What happened to not saving the login password?

In current CVS, there is no option to save (or not) the jabber login
password, and even if you don't fill it in, it saves it the next time
you enter it to log in.  Unless this has been fixed very very recently.

-Alex Mauer "hawke"
--
Bad - You get pulled over for doing 90 in a school zone and you're drunk
off your ass again at three in the afternoon.
Worse - The cop is drunk too, and he's a mean drunk.
FUCK! - A mean drunk that's actually a swarm of semi-sentient
flesh-eating beetles.
gpg/gpg key id: 51192FF2  <at>  subkeys.pgp.net

In current CVS, there is no option to save (or not) the jabber login
password, and even if you don't fill it in, it saves it the next time
you enter it to log in.  Unless this has been fixed very very recently.

-Alex Mauer "hawke"
--
Bad - You get pulled over for doing 90 in a school zone and you're drunk
off your ass again at three in the afternoon.
Worse - The cop is drunk too, and he's a mean drunk.
FUCK! - A mean drunk that's actually a swarm of semi-sentient
flesh-eating beetles.
gpg/gpg key id: 51192FF2  <at>  subkeys.pgp.net

Re: Need Windows debugging help

> The 'easiest' way for you to debug a version of Psi would:
>    1) get mblsha or myself to do a special debug build in a 'fixed
> location' that you can put a copy of the code into.  In addition to
> the .exe the .pdb file would have to be provided.  (msvcr71d.dll does
> not need to be redistributes because you (Hal) already have it).

Let's do that.  Can you build me a debug copy?  Just tell me where to
put the source and these pdb files and I should be able to figure out
the rest.

>    2) Roll-your-own -  It's not too hard: Install QT (eval will do),
> Grab psi CVS, Get QCA (and patch it), see

You overestimate my patience for development.  :p

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Re: Re: PyMSNt integration

Re-inserting a quote which was removed and required for context:
>>> Perhaps Psi could fetch the vCard of a contact whenever they come
>>> online? That way it does get updated. We already fetch
>>> jabber:iq:version whenever somebody comes online.

Quoting Remko Troncon <remko@...>:
>> Well, iChat has pretty much screwed that one for us, hasn't it?
>
> Why is that ?

Because now, everyone who wants to fetch vCards is going to get slammed with
many kilobytes of photo data from iChat users... which is made 50 times worse
if you have 50 users online who were all encouraged to put photos in there by
iChat. 

> It only fetches it when the hash changed.

Actually, iChat only seems to hash the photo.  People seem to be 
forgetting that
vCards have dozens of other, more useful fields which we might want 
updated too.

TX

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Re: Fwd: [JIRA] Resolved: (JM-288) Don't allow multiple unlimited roster auth requests

Quoting Hal Rottenberg <halr9000@...>:
> I think we need to fix this one.  Jive is a pretty popular server.
> The URL below has all the history you'll need.

It sounds like that report describes a bug already fixed on Jive's end.

As it says: "The XMPP spec recommends that the server not send the auth 
request
if it's already been accepted."  Therefore it's the job of the server... and
presumably they're fixing it.

TX

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Re: Re: PyMSNt integration

Quoting Francisco Joaquín Rodríguez Prados <prados@...>:
> It's a pity that there's no way to send a broadcast message saying
> you've changed your vCard. That would solve every problem with the
> vCard-related stuff: nicknames and vCard-avatars. This is what pub-sub
> does, yeah?

Yep, that's pretty much exactly how JEP-0084 works.

To implement JEP-0084 in a transport would be interesting indeed.  I 
suspect it
would mean making each user a pubsub entity, like PSA was describing in a
weblog a while back.  That way the transport wouldn't actually need to use a
separate pubsub server at all, it could just do the broadcasting from within
itself and even subscribe to users on the Jabber side for shunting 
avatars back
to the other protocol.

I wish it would just go to Draft already so that people would stop 
talking about
the iChar avatar protocol and start implementing something scaleable.

TX

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Re: Re: PyMSNt integration

Quoting Norman Rasmussen <normanr@...>:
> It's a great pity - I love seeing what other clients (and versions)
> people are using, but the iq storm has become too much, so I've had to
> turn off the iq:version requests 

Yeah, it would be good if the version is another thing which is only fetched
once you start hovering over the person you're interested in.

I wonder if that's a feature request waiting to happen... I've started 
to notice
the karma blowout on login so much lately that I actually culled people 
from my
roster to reduce the impact.

TX

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Re: Re: PyMSNt integration

Quoting James Bunton <james@...>:
> Can anybody think of a way to get this to work without the presence 
> hash? I guess we could send a <message/> to Psi to trigger it to 
> download the vCard again. I like that though.

Well, if we have to use a legacy protocol, it had better be either iChat's
protocol or JEP-0008, otherwise we're going to have _three_ legacy 
protocols in
use by the time the scaleable one moves into Draft.

TX

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Re: What happened to not saving the login password?

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 04:35, Alex L. Mauer wrote:
> In current CVS, there is no option to save (or not) the jabber login
> password, and even if you don't fill it in, it saves it the next time
> you enter it to log in.  Unless this has been fixed very very recently.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.network.jabber.psi.devel/3157

Mircea
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On Wednesday 01 June 2005 04:35, Alex L. Mauer wrote:
> In current CVS, there is no option to save (or not) the jabber login
> password, and even if you don't fill it in, it saves it the next time
> you enter it to log in.  Unless this has been fixed very very recently.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.network.jabber.psi.devel/3157

Mircea
/IceRAM

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