On Wednesday 02 January 2008, Alexander Gnauck wrote:
> Jabber is the name of the technology. Jabber is to XMPP like the Web is
> to HTTP.

I agree with your analogy, but disagree that either "Jabber" or "Web" are
technologies. Just as there are things like XML-RPC that use HTTP for
non-"Web", there are things like Google Talk that use XMPP. "Jabber" is more
of a generic standards-compliant IM service name, usually ignored when there
is a more specific branding.

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On Śr, 2008-01-02 at 22:15 +0200, Norman Rasmussen wrote:
> Saying you're running jabberd is like saying you're running httpd.

There is no project named 'httpd' that I know of, and at least two
projects named 'jabberd'.

Well, what a nice discussion!

Norman Rasmussen schrieb:

> On Jan 3, 2008 10:20 AM, Tomasz Sterna <tomek <at> xiaoka.com

> <mailto:tomek <at> xiaoka.com>> wrote:
>
>  On Śr, 2008-01-02 at 22:15 +0200, Norman Rasmussen wrote:
>  > Saying you're running jabberd is like saying you're running httpd.
>
>  There is no project named 'httpd' that I know of, and at least two
>  projects named 'jabberd'.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Httpd lists 9 httpd servers.

Wikipedia is evil!

> The Fedora Project like to call their web server httpd. (I think it's
> really apache)

Actually I would call "httpd" a technologie or - at least - a group or
categorie of software.

I used to call the webserver from the apache project "apache", too, but
I'm not sure wheter this is really true. If you direct your browser
www.apache.org you will find a lot of software there, but not only the
webserver, even when you download it, you won't get a directory called
"apache" - no, it is "httpd". (even the project homepage is
httpd.apache.org)

Beside this fact, everyone might understand you, whenever you write
"apache" and even most of use would asume "apache httpd" when you write
"httpd" - but that is only a question of language and/or conventions
about "what everyone does" - searching the internet is NOT "googleing"
(I had some days ago a customer who did not find his new domains,
because he entered everything into google, not his addressbar - so
surfing is not googleing either ^^)

I switched over to say "apache httpd" - just to be clear that no one
thinks I'm speaking of this java-thing called "tomcat". Somethimes -
just to sound cool - I also say "der Indianer" (german, "the indian"),
but that is nothing else than saying "googleing"

Although some of us use protable languages this isn't really portable to
the jabber/xmpp-world, because we have no project with such dominance as
the apache webserver or google have.
Most (popular) projects carry jabberd in their names - two of them only
add a version-number, which is quite bad for newbies.
For example: I would assume jabbder1.x whenever someone says "jabberd"
and only jabberd2.x (no idea about .0 or .1 ) if the guy (or the
girl) wrote jabberd2.

All we can do is being aware of that and keep asking, maybe sometimes
replying "RTFM!". But please: Don't start such discussion  :)

I remember a time when there was a nice comparison chart for open source
implementations at jabber.org... What about refering to this? Or maybe
someone (well, not me!) could write a short (!) guide about "How to ask
a question about a jabber-deamon".


Regards,

 (a happy) Bernd

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