John Goerzen | 11 Apr 21:48 2012

[gopher] Need suggestions regarding proposed Gopher History Archive contract

Hi folks,

I have been in contact with Stanford University regarding placing a copy of my Gopherspace crawl from a few years ago over there.  I have attached the document they want me to sign, and below you can see some of the concerns I raised with them about it.  I am not a lawyer and would appreciate any advice.

-- John


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Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org
Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:45:20 -0700 (PDT)
Susan L Rojo <srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
John Goerzen <jgoerzen-WrTMxSeDnuhg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>


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Hi John,

Thank you for the thoughtful response. Your points regarding the physical/digital issue are well taken and you are not the first to raise them. We are slowly making changes to reflect this issue but at this point the deed modified as it is should suffice for our purposes. Let me clarify points below.

I am uncertain that I can represent that I am the owner of this data.
We are declaring you the owner of the collection, not necessarily the owner from a content or copyright sense. Similarly, if you were donating your collection of Beatles memorabilia, we know you aren't the copyright holder or the only one to own a pair of Mickey ears.

Could I simply sign something authorizing Stanford to archive, preserve, etc. the collection, so far as I have the power to do?
The Deed is the "simple" sign over for Stanford. We need to show the provenance of the collection and the deed is the way we do that. It has more legalese than is necessary for your collection but is our mechanism for starting the process. You aren't taking responsibility for every bit of data included and due to the nature of the collection Stanford understands that you did not create the data you have curated.

If Stanford intends to use its ownership of the material to remove the ability of others to access it through other means, this is not an overall benefit to the community.

In no way would Stanford try to stop others from using the data. The point of Stanford having a copy is to be sure a copy is saved "forever" for use specifically by students and faculty and also by the general population. Clause 5 clarifies that at this point Stanford is committing to preserving the data but will not be able to provide access to it until the point that it has been "processed." Some people expect that they give a donation to Stanford and can find it in the library catalog a week or two later. It takes longer than that and Stanford wants to be sure the donor understands this. In the case of the Gopher collection, there are multiple sources for access and this isn't an issue. We are working on an access mechanism for our digital repository but that is likely some time off.


I hope I have addressed your concerns and that you are willing to move forward. I don't really have flexibility for changing the document more than I have to account for the nature of the collection. It is more of a formality in this case since, like you said, the data is readily available on the internet. It just happens to be a formality I have to follow. 

Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.


Best,

~Susan



From: "John Goerzen" <jgoerzen-WrTMxSeDnuhg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Susan L Rojo" <srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 12:11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org

Hi Susan,

Thank you for re-sending.  The document made it this time.

I have reviewed it.  I would be quite pleased to see this collection housed at Stanford.  I hope the material can be preserved with the best possible access for everyone.

The agreement, however, appears tailored to physical (non-digital) items, and as such I still have the following concerns:
  1. I am uncertain that I can represent that I am the owner of this data.
    1. I certainly collected it via a gopher crawl.  As such, perhaps one could state that I am indeed the owner of the collection as a whole; however, for something so easily copied across the Internet, this language strikes me as regressive and quite possibly inaccurate.  Stanford obviously would have an interest in maintaining it; could I simply sign something authorizing Stanford to archive, preserve, etc. the collection, so far as I have the power to do?
  2. The combination of clause 2 and 5 also concerns me.  As this data is already generally available to researchers on the Internet, if Stanford intends to use its ownership of the material to remove the ability of others to access it through other means, this is not an overall benefit to the community.
I do not know what degree of flexibility you have in these matters.  I would suggest, incidentally, that these questions are likely to arise with increasing frequency in the future, as more and more artifacts of historic interest are digital-only.  Would you like to proceed further?

Thanks,

-- John


On 03/30/2012 04:44 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
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Hi John,

Not sure what that glitch was but try the attached.

Best,
~Susan


From: "John Goerzen" <jgoerzen-WrTMxSeDnuhg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Susan L Rojo" <srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:18:25 PM
Subject: Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org

Hi Susan,

The attachment on this (and all the other messages you sent) didn't make it through - it was present but empty.  Can you double-check and try resending?

-- John

On 03/14/2012 05:50 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
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Hi John,

Attached and ready for your review is the Deed of Gift for yourGopher collection. If you have any questions, please let me know. Otherwise, please print out two copies, sign both and return them to me at the address in my signature. 

I have confirmed that we can transfer the data from the UNC site as you suggested. 

Thank you again for your patience and your willingness to work with us.

Best,
~Susan


From: "John Goerzen" <jgoerzen-WrTMxSeDnuhg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Susan L Rojo" <srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org

Hi Susan,

To answer your questions:

1) The easiest way to transfer the data to Stanford would probably be for someone there to simply download it from the UNC site.

2) I have no specific knowledge of data that should be restricted from view.  However, having said that, this is a copy of data that was sitting out there on the Internet.  It would be naive of me to attempt to give an authoritative answer to that question.

3) I do not own the copyright to most of these files, with a few exceptions.  (Data from my own server is included.)

4) PO Box 393, Hesston, KS 67062.  620-367-2347.

-- John

On 12/15/2011 02:51 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
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Hi John,

Thank you for letting me know. 

Below are a few questions I have to complete the deed of gift for review by my manager. Once he approves it, I will send it to you for your agreement or further discussion. 

How do you think we could best transfer the gopher data to Stanford?

Do you think there is data in the collection that should be restricted from view for any reason? 

Do you own copyright to the files you will be donating?

What is your address and phone (for the official document)?

I also wanted to confirm that Stanford is planning to be a long term custodian of the collection but at this time will not be providing access to the data. This should be okay since the data can be accessed at UNC.

Best,
~Susan


From: "John Goerzen" <jgoerzen-WrTMxSeDnuhg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Susan L Rojo" <srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 1:26:20 PM
Subject: Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org

Hi Susan,

No problem.  As far as I know, that is the only copy UNC is maintaining.  It is part of their large permanent data collection.

-- John

On 12/08/2011 06:41 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
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So sorry for not seeing this earlier and sending the follow up message! 

I appreciate your response and would like to pursue this. Do you know if UNC is keeping a copy somewhere in addition to the website you sent below? 

Best,
~Susan
 PS. I'll be back in the office on Tuesday so may not respond until then.

From: "John Goerzen" <jgoerzen-WrTMxSeDnuhg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Susan L Rojo" <srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 7:04:14 AM
Subject: Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org

Hi Susan,

Thank you for following up with me.  Since we last chatted, I found a home for the material at the University of North Carolina's iBiblio project.  The data lives here:

http://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/internet-gopher-archive-2007/181

http://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/quux-org-gopher-mirror-collection-2006/182

I would be happy to have a copy at Stanford as well, but I am not sure if it is a good fit; a deed of gift is perhaps hard to apply to this kind of material, which can be simply copied at will.  If you want to pursue it, I'm open to that; but at the same time, given its home at UNC, I'm OK with just leaving it there.

-- John

On 12/02/2011 06:35 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
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Hi John,

My desk has cleared a bit and I am wondering (once again) if you are interested in donating your collection of Gopher materials to Stanford. If so, I will send you a few questions about the collection, draft a deed of gift for you to review, and then get the files transferred to Stanford.

Please let me know if you are interested.

Best,
~Susan


From: "John Goerzen" <jgoerzen-WrTMxSeDnuhg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Susan L Rojo" <srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:41:48 AM
Subject: Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org

On 08/11/2010 06:44 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
> Hi John,
> Congratulations on having your collection hosted by
> http://torrent.ibiblio.org. I wanted to check in to see if you are still
> interested in having it preserved at Stanford as well.
>
> Best,
> ~Susan

Hi Susan,

Yes, I am still interested in having it at Stanford too, if that's still
on the table on your end.

-- John


--
Susan Rojo
Manager, Digital Media and Collections Projects
HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford CA 94305-6004
AKA Mollie Mavendorf in SL
<at> digiarchivist
650.721.2752
srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org



--
Susan Rojo
Manager, Digital Media and Collections Projects
HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford CA 94305-6004
AKA Mollie Mavendorf in SL
<at> digiarchivist
650.721.2752
srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org



--
Susan Rojo
Manager, Digital Media and Collections Projects
HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford CA 94305-6004
AKA Mollie Mavendorf in SL
<at> digiarchivist
650.721.2752
srojo-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org





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2012/4/11 John Goerzen <jgoerzen <at> complete.org>
Hi folks,

I have been in contact with Stanford University regarding placing a copy of my Gopherspace crawl from a few years ago over there.  I have attached the document they want me to sign, and below you can see some of the concerns I raised with them about it.  I am not a lawyer and would appreciate any advice.

-- John
 

Hi John;

Don't sign any document you don't want to.

Those Gopher crawls were uploaded to Internet Archive some time ago.[1][2] So, they will be preserved many many years.

Thanks for your work crawling all that Gopher stuff.

Regards,
emijrp


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Cameron Kaiser | 11 Apr 22:48 2012

Re: [gopher] Need suggestions regarding proposed Gopher History Archive contract

My major objection would be point 16, i.e., that they are under no obligation
to provide access, since that's the whole point.

As far as ownership, I think it can be said that you own the data *collection*
rather than the actual data, and nothing in the contract states you are
asserting copyright nor is Stanford imposing such.

Still, it seems a frightfully restrictive form and smells of lawyer grease.

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Wolfgang Faust | 12 Apr 17:59 2012
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Re: [gopher] Need suggestions regarding proposed Gopher History Archive contract

Obviously, don't sign anything you don't feel comfortable with.

I think that for a collection of data, rather than a set of physical
objects, this contract is not applicable. It applies a number of
restrictions on the data which would be necessary for, say, Beatles
memorabilia, but are not applicable to widely downloadable electronic
documents. Since this file is publicly available, can't they simply
download it and archive it without a contract?

I have undertaken a similar project myself. I felt no need to get the
title to the collection, or include any disclaimers. I simply
downloaded the archive and wrote an interface to it. Why does Stanford
need this level of control over the archive?

On 4/11/12, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@...> wrote:
> My major objection would be point 16, i.e., that they are under no
> obligation
> to provide access, since that's the whole point.
>
> As far as ownership, I think it can be said that you own the data
> *collection*
> rather than the actual data, and nothing in the contract states you are
> asserting copyright nor is Stanford imposing such.
>
> Still, it seems a frightfully restrictive form and smells of lawyer grease.
>
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Re: [gopher] Need suggestions regarding proposed Gopher History Archive contract

Obviously, don't sign anything you don't feel comfortable with.

I think that for a collection of data, rather than a set of physical
objects, this contract is not applicable. It applies a number of
restrictions on the data which would be necessary for, say, Beatles
memorabilia, but are not applicable to widely downloadable electronic
documents. Since this file is publicly available, can't they simply
download it and archive it without a contract?

I have undertaken a similar project myself. I felt no need to get the
title to the collection, or include any disclaimers. I simply
downloaded the archive and wrote an interface to it. Why does Stanford
need this level of control over the archive?

On 4/11/12, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@...> wrote:
> My major objection would be point 16, i.e., that they are under no
> obligation
> to provide access, since that's the whole point.
>
> As far as ownership, I think it can be said that you own the data
> *collection*
> rather than the actual data, and nothing in the contract states you are
> asserting copyright nor is Stanford imposing such.
>
> Still, it seems a frightfully restrictive form and smells of lawyer grease.
>
> --
> ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/
> --
>   Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com *
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Bradley D. Thornton | 12 Apr 21:43 2012
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Re: [gopher] Need suggestions regarding proposed Gopher History Archive contract


On 04/11/2012 12:48 PM, John Goerzen wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I have been in contact with Stanford University regarding placing a copy
> of my Gopherspace crawl from a few years ago over there.  I have
> attached the document they want me to sign, and below you can see some
> of the concerns I raised with them about it.  I am not a lawyer and
> would appreciate any advice.

<snip>

Hi Susan,

Please accept my apologies for not getting back to you sooner, but
considering that I am not a laywer, a lot of what you asked me to sign
off on didn't make enough sense to this layperson to feel comfortable
signing.

So here's what I can offer you. Please accept this letter as my
invitation for you to use, store, and make publicly freely available, at
your option, any and/or all of the so-called data collection in
question, under the terms of the Creative Commons License, except where
prior copyright or license would not permit.

Thanks,

John

</snip>

Something like that, perhaps?

> 
> -- John
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:     Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org
> Date:     Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:45:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From:     Susan L Rojo <srojo@...>
> To:     John Goerzen <jgoerzen@...>
> 
> 
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Thank you for the thoughtful response. Your points regarding the
> physical/digital issue are well taken and you are not the first to raise
> them. We are slowly making changes to reflect this issue but at this
> point the deed modified as it is should suffice for our purposes. Let me
> clarify points below.
> 
> I am uncertain that I can represent that I am the owner of this data.
> We are declaring you the owner of the collection, not necessarily the
> owner from a content or copyright sense. Similarly, if you were donating
> your collection of Beatles memorabilia, we know you aren't the copyright
> holder or the only one to own a pair of Mickey ears.
> 
> Could I simply sign something authorizing Stanford to archive, preserve,
> etc. the collection, so far as I have the power to do?
> The Deed is the "simple" sign over for Stanford. We need to show the
> provenance of the collection and the deed is the way we do that. It has
> more legalese than is necessary for your collection but is our mechanism
> for starting the process. You aren't taking responsibility for every bit
> of data included and due to the nature of the collection Stanford
> understands that you did not create the data you have curated.
> 
> If Stanford intends to use its ownership of the material to remove the
> ability of others to access it through other means, this is not an
> overall benefit to the community.
> 
> In no way would Stanford try to stop others from using the data. The
> point of Stanford having a copy is to be sure a copy is saved "forever"
> for use specifically by students and faculty and also by the general
> population. Clause 5 clarifies that at this point Stanford is committing
> to preserving the data but will not be able to provide access to it
> until the point that it has been "processed." Some people expect that
> they give a donation to Stanford and can find it in the library catalog
> a week or two later. It takes longer than that and Stanford wants to be
> sure the donor understands this. In the case of the Gopher collection,
> there are multiple sources for access and this isn't an issue. We are
> working on an access mechanism for our digital repository but that is
> likely some time off.
> 
> 
> I hope I have addressed your concerns and that you are willing to move
> forward. I don't really have flexibility for changing the document more
> than I have to account for the nature of the collection. It is more of a
> formality in this case since, like you said, the data is readily
> available on the internet. It just happens to be a formality I have to
> follow.
> 
> Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~Susan
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"John Goerzen" <jgoerzen@...>
> *To: *"Susan L Rojo" <srojo@...>
> *Sent: *Monday, April 2, 2012 12:11:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org
> 
> Hi Susan,
> 
> Thank you for re-sending.  The document made it this time.
> 
> I have reviewed it.  I would be quite pleased to see this collection
> housed at Stanford.  I hope the material can be preserved with the best
> possible access for everyone.
> 
> The agreement, however, appears tailored to physical (non-digital)
> items, and as such I still have the following concerns:
> 
>   1. I am uncertain that I can represent that I am the owner of this data.
>         1. I certainly collected it via a gopher crawl.  As such,
>            perhaps one could state that I am indeed the owner of the
>            collection as a whole; however, for something so easily
>            copied across the Internet, this language strikes me as
>            regressive and quite possibly inaccurate.  Stanford
>            obviously would have an interest in maintaining it; could I
>            simply sign something authorizing Stanford to archive,
>            preserve, etc. the collection, so far as I have the power to do?
>   2. The combination of clause 2 and 5 also concerns me.  As this data
>      is already generally available to researchers on the Internet, if
>      Stanford intends to use its ownership of the material to remove
>      the ability of others to access it through other means, this is
>      not an overall benefit to the community.
> 
> I do not know what degree of flexibility you have in these matters.  I
> would suggest, incidentally, that these questions are likely to arise
> with increasing frequency in the future, as more and more artifacts of
> historic interest are digital-only.  Would you like to proceed further?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- John
> 
> 
> On 03/30/2012 04:44 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
> 
>    Hi John,
> 
>    Not sure what that glitch was but try the attached.
> 
>    Best,
>    ~Susan
> 
> 
>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    *From: *"John Goerzen" <jgoerzen@...>
>    *To: *"Susan L Rojo" <srojo@...>
>    *Sent: *Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:18:25 PM
>    *Subject: *Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org
> 
>    Hi Susan,
> 
>    The attachment on this (and all the other messages you sent) didn't
>    make it through - it was present but empty.  Can you double-check
>    and try resending?
> 
>    -- John
> 
>    On 03/14/2012 05:50 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
> 
>        Hi John,
> 
>        Attached and ready for your review is the Deed of Gift for
>        yourGopher collection. If you have any questions, please let me
>        know. Otherwise, please print out two copies, sign both and
>        return them to me at the address in my signature.
> 
>        I have confirmed that we can transfer the data from the UNC site
>        as you suggested.
> 
>        Thank you again for your patience and your willingness to work
>        with us.
> 
>        Best,
>        ~Susan
> 
> 
>       
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>        *From: *"John Goerzen" <jgoerzen@...>
>        *To: *"Susan L Rojo" <srojo@...>
>        *Sent: *Friday, December 16, 2011 2:11:33 PM
>        *Subject: *Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at ibiblio.org
> 
>        Hi Susan,
> 
>        To answer your questions:
> 
>        1) The easiest way to transfer the data to Stanford would
>        probably be for someone there to simply download it from the UNC
>        site.
> 
>        2) I have no specific knowledge of data that should be
>        restricted from view.  However, having said that, this is a copy
>        of data that was sitting out there on the Internet.  It would be
>        naive of me to attempt to give an authoritative answer to that
>        question.
> 
>        3) I do not own the copyright to most of these files, with a few
>        exceptions.  (Data from my own server is included.)
> 
>        4) PO Box 393, Hesston, KS 67062.  620-367-2347.
> 
>        -- John
> 
>        On 12/15/2011 02:51 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
> 
>            Hi John,
> 
>            Thank you for letting me know.
> 
>            Below are a few questions I have to complete the deed of
>            gift for review by my manager. Once he approves it, I will
>            send it to you for your agreement or further discussion.
> 
>            How do you think we could best transfer the gopher data to
>            Stanford?
> 
>            Do you think there is data in the collection that should be
>            restricted from view for any reason?
> 
>            Do you own copyright to the files you will be donating?
> 
>            What is your address and phone (for the official document)?
> 
>            I also wanted to confirm that Stanford is planning to be a
>            long term custodian of the collection but at this time will
>            not be providing access to the data. This should be okay
>            since the data can be accessed at UNC.
> 
>            Best,
>            ~Susan
> 
> 
>           
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>            *From: *"John Goerzen" <jgoerzen@...>
>            *To: *"Susan L Rojo" <srojo@...>
>            *Sent: *Friday, December 9, 2011 1:26:20 PM
>            *Subject: *Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at
>            ibiblio.org
> 
>            Hi Susan,
> 
>            No problem.  As far as I know, that is the only copy UNC is
>            maintaining.  It is part of their large permanent data
>            collection.
> 
>            -- John
> 
>            On 12/08/2011 06:41 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
> 
>                So sorry for not seeing this earlier and sending the
>                follow up message!
> 
>                I appreciate your response and would like to pursue
>                this. Do you know if UNC is keeping a copy somewhere in
>                addition to the website you sent below?
> 
>                Best,
>                ~Susan
>                  PS. I'll be back in the office on Tuesday so may not
>                respond until then.
> 
>               
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                *From: *"John Goerzen" <jgoerzen@...>
>                *To: *"Susan L Rojo" <srojo@...>
>                *Sent: *Monday, December 5, 2011 7:04:14 AM
>                *Subject: *Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived at
>                ibiblio.org
> 
>                Hi Susan,
> 
>                Thank you for following up with me.  Since we last
>                chatted, I found a home for the material at the
>                University of North Carolina's iBiblio project.  The
>                data lives here:
> 
>               
> http://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/internet-gopher-archive-2007/181
> 
>               
> http://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc/quux-org-gopher-mirror-collection-2006/182
> 
>                I would be happy to have a copy at Stanford as well, but
>                I am not sure if it is a good fit; a deed of gift is
>                perhaps hard to apply to this kind of material, which
>                can be simply copied at will.  If you want to pursue it,
>                I'm open to that; but at the same time, given its home
>                at UNC, I'm OK with just leaving it there.
> 
>                -- John
> 
>                On 12/02/2011 06:35 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
> 
>                    Hi John,
> 
>                    My desk has cleared a bit and I am wondering (once
>                    again) if you are interested in donating your
>                    collection of Gopher materials to Stanford. If so, I
>                    will send you a few questions about the collection,
>                    draft a deed of gift for you to review, and then get
>                    the files transferred to Stanford.
> 
>                    Please let me know if you are interested.
> 
>                    Best,
>                    ~Susan
> 
> 
>                   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                    *From: *"John Goerzen" <jgoerzen@...>
>                    *To: *"Susan L Rojo" <srojo@...>
>                    *Sent: *Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:41:48 AM
>                    *Subject: *Re: [gopher] Gopher History Now Archived
>                    at ibiblio.org
> 
>                    On 08/11/2010 06:44 PM, Susan L Rojo wrote:
>                     > Hi John,
>                     > Congratulations on having your collection hosted by
>                     > http://torrent.ibiblio.org. I wanted to check in
>                    to see if you are still
>                     > interested in having it preserved at Stanford as
>                    well.
>                     >
>                     > Best,
>                     > ~Susan
> 
>                    Hi Susan,
> 
>                    Yes, I am still interested in having it at Stanford
>                    too, if that's still
>                    on the table on your end.
> 
>                    -- John
> 
> 
>                    --                    Susan Rojo
>                    Manager, Digital Media and Collections Projects
>                    HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall
>                    Stanford University Libraries
>                    Stanford CA 94305-6004
>                    AKA Mollie Mavendorf in SL
>                     <at> digiarchivist
>                    650.721.2752
>                    srojo@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                --                Susan Rojo
>                Manager, Digital Media and Collections Projects
>                HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall
>                Stanford University Libraries
>                Stanford CA 94305-6004
>                AKA Mollie Mavendorf in SL
>                 <at> digiarchivist
>                650.721.2752
>                srojo@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>            --            Susan Rojo
>            Manager, Digital Media and Collections Projects
>            HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall
>            Stanford University Libraries
>            Stanford CA 94305-6004
>            AKA Mollie Mavendorf in SL
>             <at> digiarchivist
>            650.721.2752
>            srojo@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Brian Koontz | 13 Apr 00:59 2012
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Re: [gopher] Need suggestions regarding proposed Gopher History Archive contract

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 02:48:42PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I have been in contact with Stanford University regarding placing a
> copy of my Gopherspace crawl from a few years ago over there.  I
> have attached the document they want me to sign, and below you can
> see some of the concerns I raised with them about it.  I am not a
> lawyer and would appreciate any advice.

Here's my question (and IANAL either, so forgive me if the answer was
obvious):  I have a copy of the data in question, and plan on hosting
extracts of it on my own gopher server when time permits.  Will this
agreement in some way affect my rights (and the rights of others) to
host part or all of the content?  

I like Bradley's suggestion:  Offer it up under the CC license, and be
done with it.

  --Brian

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John Goerzen | 13 Apr 06:35 2012

Re: [gopher] Need suggestions regarding proposed Gopher History Archive contract

Thank you everyone - I appreciate the advice.  I will follow through in 
the directions suggested.

-- John

On 04/12/2012 05:59 PM, Brian Koontz wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 02:48:42PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have been in contact with Stanford University regarding placing a
>> copy of my Gopherspace crawl from a few years ago over there.  I
>> have attached the document they want me to sign, and below you can
>> see some of the concerns I raised with them about it.  I am not a
>> lawyer and would appreciate any advice.
> Here's my question (and IANAL either, so forgive me if the answer was
> obvious):  I have a copy of the data in question, and plan on hosting
> extracts of it on my own gopher server when time permits.  Will this
> agreement in some way affect my rights (and the rights of others) to
> host part or all of the content?
>
> I like Bradley's suggestion:  Offer it up under the CC license, and be
> done with it.
>
>    --Brian
>
Florian Voigt | 18 Apr 10:37 2012
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[gopher] presentation of the 2007 gopherspace crawl

Hi,

do you think it would be possible to present the 2007 gopherspace
crawl in a similar way that http://olduse.net - i.e. in a way that
makes it possible for users to "explorer" gopherspace in a way it was
back then? (Using the same front ends, etc.)

Cheers,

Florian
Kim Holviala | 19 Apr 16:37 2012

Re: [gopher] presentation of the 2007 gopherspace crawl

On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:37 , Florian Voigt wrote:

> do you think it would be possible to present the 2007 gopherspace
> crawl in a similar way that http://olduse.net - i.e. in a way that
> makes it possible for users to "explorer" gopherspace in a way it was
> back then? (Using the same front ends, etc.)

gopher://gophernicus.org/

And then "Browse the gopher archive". I've had that up and running for a few years now.... It's not the full
2007 archive, I think I've got maybe 80% of it imported in there + lots of more recent stuff.

Kim

Gmane