[gopher] list "alpha test": Overbite for Android

Rob Sayers has been my guinea pig today and it seems to be working well for
him, so I'm opening this up to the group. (I have some interest in this from
 <at> segphault at Ars Technica, so I want a good test before I let Ryan at it.)

Overbite Android is, just like it implies, a gopher client for Android.
Android 1.5 is required; 2.x is recommended, and it is fully compatible with
2.2 Froyo. It should work on any currently available form factor, including
QVGA all the way up to Droid X-level resolution. 

OA is incomplete -- it does not support file downloading yet and it does not
currently have internal bookmark support (though it can put shortcuts on the
Home screen as primitive bookmarks) -- but it does support item types
[017ghI] and fully integrates with the Android Browser so that any hURLs you
click are loaded in the Browser, and gopher:// URLs you click in the Browser
are automatically loaded in Overbite. It also handles portrait and landscape
modes (landscape recommended for obvious reasons), is localization-ready, and
zoom-aware (remembering your settings as you click around). I will also be
making source code (built with Eclipse) available.

I think expanding into the mobile space is critical for Gopher because this
is a niche it can easily gain a foothold in. In GPRS land, Gopher is the
fastest way to do anything because it is the least spendy on the network,
and when you're being charged by the KB/MB a low-bandwidth protocol will
in turn save you money. I have a friend who is tightly connected into Palm's
developer program and thinks that the upcoming PDK will be able to allow an
Overbite on webOS. I'd like to write an iPhone version, but I'm tired of
Apple screwing around and there's no guarantee they would allow it in the
App Store since it doesn't fart. A BlackBerry version might be possible. The
more places Gopher is visible in the mobile space, the more it can become a
viable alternative.

Re: [gopher] list "alpha test": Overbite for Android

Your HTTP link 404s

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On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre@...> wrote:
> Rob Sayers has been my guinea pig today and it seems to be working well for
> him, so I'm opening this up to the group. (I have some interest in this from
>  <at> segphault at Ars Technica, so I want a good test before I let Ryan at it.)
>
> Overbite Android is, just like it implies, a gopher client for Android.
> Android 1.5 is required; 2.x is recommended, and it is fully compatible with
> 2.2 Froyo. It should work on any currently available form factor, including
> QVGA all the way up to Droid X-level resolution.
>
> OA is incomplete -- it does not support file downloading yet and it does not
> currently have internal bookmark support (though it can put shortcuts on the
> Home screen as primitive bookmarks) -- but it does support item types
> [017ghI] and fully integrates with the Android Browser so that any hURLs you
> click are loaded in the Browser, and gopher:// URLs you click in the Browser
> are automatically loaded in Overbite. It also handles portrait and landscape
> modes (landscape recommended for obvious reasons), is localization-ready, and
> zoom-aware (remembering your settings as you click around). I will also be
> making source code (built with Eclipse) available.
>
> I think expanding into the mobile space is critical for Gopher because this
> is a niche it can easily gain a foothold in. In GPRS land, Gopher is the
> fastest way to do anything because it is the least spendy on the network,
> and when you're being charged by the KB/MB a low-bandwidth protocol will

Re: [gopher] list "alpha test": Overbite for Android

> Your HTTP link 404s

Yeah, see, they're REALLY temporary! They've already changed! ^_^;;

	gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/9/OverbiteAndroid.apk
	http://gopher.floodgap.com/OverbiteAndroid.apk

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> Looking good so far!
> But is the addressbar "see but s_ not touch"?

There's actually no address bar; it's integrated into the title bar (you
can either arbitrary URLs from the Menu). I did that to maintain as much
space as possible on screen. Is it troublesome that way?

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[gopher] Android files moved and made open

The test has gone really really well, so the Overbite Android .apk has now
moved into a semi-permanent location. You can get it from

	http://gopher.floodgap.com/overbite/

and

	gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/overbite/

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[gopher] Proxy support for OverbiteFF

Hi all. 

Since the days of official Gopher support in Firefox are
numbered, I gave OverbiteFF a try. A great plug-in, thanks a
lot!

At the company, Port 70 is firewalled though. Until now, 
I just used an ssh tunnel via my
proxy at home to access Gopher which worked fine. It looks to me
that OverbiteFF is not yet able to use a Proxy though. It is
just timeing out. 

Sadly I'm no programmer and not able to help out with code, but
I'd really like to see Proxy support in OverbiteFF. Of course
I'm more than willing to help testing. 

CU, Venty

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Re: [gopher] Proxy support for OverbiteFF

Hi!

On Tuesday 06 July 2010 12:26 (CEST), Martin Ebnoether wrote:
> At the company, Port 70 is firewalled though. Until now, 
> I just used an ssh tunnel via my
> proxy at home to access Gopher which worked fine. It looks to me
> that OverbiteFF is not yet able to use a Proxy though. It is
> just timeing out. 

I have no idea wether Overbite supports proxies or not, however, you might
be interested in simply using a gopher2http proxy. This way, you would
access the gopherspace using HTTP protocol from you work place.

Here's a rather nice gopher2http gateway:
http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw

Best regards,
Mateusz Viste

Re: [gopher] Proxy support for OverbiteFF

> Since the days of official Gopher support in Firefox are
> numbered, I gave OverbiteFF a try. A great plug-in, thanks a
> lot!
> 
> At the company, Port 70 is firewalled though. Until now, 
> I just used an ssh tunnel via my
> proxy at home to access Gopher which worked fine. It looks to me
> that OverbiteFF is not yet able to use a Proxy though. It is
> just timeing out. 
> 
> Sadly I'm no programmer and not able to help out with code, but
> I'd really like to see Proxy support in OverbiteFF. Of course
> I'm more than willing to help testing. 

It does support SOCKS proxies -- I know because I tested it with one locally
and that much works. I need to verify if that also works with Firefox 4.0
beta, but I don't believe that code was changed. It does work with 3.6.

Unfortunately it does not work with HTTP proxies because Firefox never
tunnels the connection under HTTP, I believe. It would require the proxy
to support the CONNECT method in any case and many of them do not.

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[gopher] OverbiteFF 2.0

Firefox 4.0 beta 1 came out today earlier than I had anticipated, so I am
speedily running through updates to OverbiteFF. A couple niggling bugs have
been fixed, which was assisted by dropping Mozilla 1.8 support as some of
those kludges were the cause. I have also created a new, more attractive base
skin.

The biggest change will be inline content. You can still navigate through a
menu the way you always did, but certain item types will be preview-enabled.
The best way is a screenshot:

	gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/p/obff2.png

Notice that 0 and h have a +/- collapser next to them. When opened, a
scrollframe appears with the text in it so you can read the file without
even leaving the menu. I also have this enabled for images, so that images
can be viewed right there (and if the image is too wide for the window, it
is automatically scaled to fit). If you click on the filename, you get
the file, just like usual.

Comments? I hope to have this ready for 4.0 as quickly as possible since
this is now the only way to get gopher in Firefox going forward.

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