Re: Proposed IRC meeting

I vote for doing it after the 9th, as I'll be traveling between now and then.

Ian.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Matthew Toseland
<toad@...> wrote:
> Nextgens has convinced me that it would be a good idea to have a meeting of all active and likely to be active
contributors to discuss where next and try to rebuild the community, which has lost quite a bit over the
last year or so, as well as gained much.
>
> The obvious thing would be to meet on IRC, but at least I would be open to other options if there is a
consensus. I am not physically up to a physical meeting in the near future. One other constraint on my side
is I am away from the 4th to the 9th of September.
>
> Please let me know if you want to come and when would be convenient. Also, agenda items would be welcome.
Some obvious ones:
> - 0.8 timing. We have funding for some time, does that allow us to do more stuff in the meantime?
> - Load management and current state of the network, and data persistence.
> - Freetalk.
> - Filesharing.
> - Installers.
> - Website. Nextgens suggests we should have a CMS and/or people should volunteer to improve the existing
site and/or wiki.
> - Darknet insecurity (pitch black attack).
> - Opennet insecurity (very scary).
> - Merging zidel's new packet format code - potentially disruptive but should be a big improvement.
>
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Re: Proposed IRC meeting

good idea, i'd been meaning to suggest this myself for some time.

personally though, i'm on holiday until the 13th. until then i only have sporadic access to acceptable
internet (turns out neither X nor neatx work well over a 450ms latency link :/)

X

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ian Clarke
> Sent: 09/01/10 12:46 AM
> To: Discussion of development issues
> Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Proposed IRC meeting
> 
> I vote for doing it after the 9th, as I'll be traveling between now and then.
> 
> Ian.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Matthew Toseland
> <toad@...> wrote:
> > Nextgens has convinced me that it would be a good idea to have a meeting of all active and likely to be active
contributors to discuss where next and try to rebuild the community, which has lost quite a bit over the
last year or so, as well as gained much.
> >
> > The obvious thing would be to meet on IRC, but at least I would be open to other options if there is a
consensus. I am not physically up to a physical meeting in the near future. One other constraint on my side
is I am away from the 4th to the 9th of September.
> >
> > Please let me know if you want to come and when would be convenient. Also, agenda items would be welcome.
Some obvious ones:
> > - 0.8 timing. We have funding for some time, does that allow us to do more stuff in the meantime?

Re: Proposed IRC meeting

I’d like to take part as a translator, and I’d like to offer Translatewiki for translation environment again.
It runs over Mediawiki, is open source, can be run from your own server(or mine, though there is no guarantee
for that!) or from Translatewiki’s own server:

http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:FirstSteps

I have contact to the author of that site and he is willing to help with merge of translation to there. 

It ought help atleast translation pains quite a bit... :)

-- 
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Samu Voutilainen

On Wednesday 01 September 2010 10:45:17 Ximin Luo wrote:
> good idea, i'd been meaning to suggest this myself for some time.
> 
> personally though, i'm on holiday until the 13th. until then i only have sporadic access to acceptable
internet (turns out neither X nor neatx work well over a 450ms latency link :/)
> 
> X
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ian Clarke
> > Sent: 09/01/10 12:46 AM
> > To: Discussion of development issues
> > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Proposed IRC meeting
> > 
> > I vote for doing it after the 9th, as I'll be traveling between now and then.
> > 

Re: Proposed IRC meeting

I'll be away until the 8th too

Florent

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 07:46:48PM -0500, Ian Clarke wrote:
> I vote for doing it after the 9th, as I'll be traveling between now and then.
> 
> Ian.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Matthew Toseland
> <toad@...> wrote:
> > Nextgens has convinced me that it would be a good idea to have a meeting of all active and likely to be active
contributors to discuss where next and try to rebuild the community, which has lost quite a bit over the
last year or so, as well as gained much.
> >
> > The obvious thing would be to meet on IRC, but at least I would be open to other options if there is a
consensus. I am not physically up to a physical meeting in the near future. One other constraint on my side
is I am away from the 4th to the 9th of September.
> >
> > Please let me know if you want to come and when would be convenient. Also, agenda items would be welcome.
Some obvious ones:
> > - 0.8 timing. We have funding for some time, does that allow us to do more stuff in the meantime?
> > - Load management and current state of the network, and data persistence.
> > - Freetalk.
> > - Filesharing.
> > - Installers.
> > - Website. Nextgens suggests we should have a CMS and/or people should volunteer to improve the existing
site and/or wiki.
> > - Darknet insecurity (pitch black attack).

We need more seednodes + Seed operators please upgrade to test build

We need more seednodes again! If you can run a seednode, please email me your opennet noderef. You must:
- Turn on "be a seednode" in advanced opennet config.
- Have a static IP address or a reliable DNS name in your noderef.
- Be port forwarded.
- Have your node up roughly 24x7.

The load on the seednodes is rather high at the moment because of lots of new nodes. More seednodes will
spread this around and make it more manageable. Also, all seednode operators should upgrade to 1276-pre1
(update.sh testing / update.cmd testing). It has some important code for announcement load limiting. Thanks.

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Re: We need more seednodes + Seed operators please upgrade to test build

On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote:

> We need more seednodes again! If you can run a seednode, please  
> email me your opennet noderef. You must:
> - Turn on "be a seednode" in advanced opennet config.
> - Have a static IP address or a reliable DNS name in your noderef.
> - Be port forwarded.
> - Have your node up roughly 24x7.
>
> The load on the seednodes is rather high at the moment because of  
> lots of new nodes. More seednodes will spread this around and make  
> it more manageable. Also, all seednode operators should upgrade to  
> 1276-pre1 (update.sh testing / update.cmd testing). It has some  
> important code for announcement load limiting. Thanks.

I remember a time ago when I restarted my node I was surprised to see  
it bootstrapping / announcing. I was under the assumption that process  
should only occur for a freshly-downloaded node. Otherwise, we can cut  
the load on the seed nodes by eliminating a seasoned nodes reliance on  
them.

--
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Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 and my recent absence

Freenet 0.7.5 build 1276 is now available. I actually started to release it a week ago but my internet
connection died (external wiring problem just fixed today) and I went on holiday. Anyway, changes include:
- Limit the number of announcements accepted by a seednode. Seednodes with limited bandwidth were
accepting so many announcements that they would not process any requests, and the announcements were
timing out because of lack of bandwidth.
- Delete the "skip the wizard" link. It wasn't working and isn't a good idea anyway.
- Translation updates for Russian and German.
- Minor fixes.
- Make 1275 mandatory.

Please upgrade, especially if you run a seednode. Newly bootstrapped nodes seem to work reasonably well -
they get bootstrapped very fast - but people are reporting that downloads are slow, inserts are slow, and
there still seems to be some backoff (???). Also the network seems to be growing rather rapidly according
to the stats graphs.

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Re: We need more seednodes + Seed operators please upgrade to test build

On Tuesday 07 September 2010 19:33:33 Robert Hailey wrote:
> 
> On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> 
> > We need more seednodes again! If you can run a seednode, please  
> > email me your opennet noderef. You must:
> > - Turn on "be a seednode" in advanced opennet config.
> > - Have a static IP address or a reliable DNS name in your noderef.
> > - Be port forwarded.
> > - Have your node up roughly 24x7.
> >
> > The load on the seednodes is rather high at the moment because of  
> > lots of new nodes. More seednodes will spread this around and make  
> > it more manageable. Also, all seednode operators should upgrade to  
> > 1276-pre1 (update.sh testing / update.cmd testing). It has some  
> > important code for announcement load limiting. Thanks.
> 
> I remember a time ago when I restarted my node I was surprised to see  
> it bootstrapping / announcing. I was under the assumption that process  
> should only occur for a freshly-downloaded node. Otherwise, we can cut  
> the load on the seed nodes by eliminating a seasoned nodes reliance on  
> them.

No, unfortunately life isn't that easy. It may be possible to reduce the usage of seednodes by old opennet
nodes, perhaps by allowing seed-style limited connections to peers you've previously been opennet
peers of even when we don't allow them to actually reconnect, but it certainly won't be possible to
eliminate it. Your opennet peers may have changed IP address, may be offline, may be NATed and not sending
to you, etc. Plus, we want to reconnect *QUICKLY*, meaning we can't afford to wait a long time for reconnections.

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Re: Proposed IRC meeting

On Wednesday 01 September 2010 09:52:00 samu.voutilainen@... wrote:
> I’d like to take part as a translator, and I’d like to offer Translatewiki for translation
environment again.
> It runs over Mediawiki, is open source, can be run from your own server(or mine, though there is no
guarantee for that!) or from Translatewiki’s own server:
> 
> http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:FirstSteps
> 
> I have contact to the author of that site and he is willing to help with merge of translation to there. 
> 
> It ought help atleast translation pains quite a bit... :)

I'm not opposed in principle to third party translation tools. However, we do get quite a few updates
anonymously via Freenet itself. Thus we must always support the current mechanism, or something similar
that can operate over Freenet.

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