Adding more index sites

We should add some more index sites.
Currently we only have the Darknet Index:
USK <at> PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w,3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-FiIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE,AQABAAE/Index/40/index.html

The problem with this is it hasn't been updated in ages.

There is the public index (which is always up to date, it seems), but
IMHO it would be unwise to link to something which is globally writable;
somebody may replace it with a redirect to the goat man, or worse, in the
middle of us being /.ed or doing a major release.
USK <at> 60I8H8HinpgZSOuTSD66AVlIFAy-xsppFr0YCzCar7c,NzdivUGCGOdlgngOGRbbKDNfSCnjI0FXjHLzJM4xkJ4,AQABAAE/index/83/

Then there is Indicia. This has activelinks, but offensive activelinks
are censored. It has descriptions for every site, although some of them
are ambiguous, and it is categorised. And it's updated regularly. A first
time user browsing Indicia will only run into porn if they want it, and
as far as I can see there is no outrageous child porn at the moment, and
even if there was it would almost certainly be labelled properly.

USK <at> c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF%7eG1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY%2cyd8%7euwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD%7eH5ftPxIA%2cAQABAAE/Indicia/31/

And there is Another Index. This is uncensored, no pictures, with no
manual descriptions, although it may be manually categorised. The
problem is that on the Porn section it links to a site called "kp",
without explaining the (sadly well-known amongst freenet users) acronym.

USK <at> e4TEIN5l1nkn6kjl63XBgYTYobmwGvtnyK2YW0b0ajo,hv-2~OfetXkb0FhDuPxorWIf0wXeZKPEfdIhwyh-mhk,AQABAAE/AnotherIndex/27/

Which of these should we put on our homepage? Ian has stated that our
policy must be to link to those indexes which will best help users to

Re: Adding more index sites

* toad <toad@...> [2006-10-03 16:29:34]:

> Which of these should we put on our homepage? Ian has stated that our
> policy must be to link to those indexes which will best help users to
> find content, without prejudice to the nature of that content. Indicia
> scores very high on this count, by virtue of having descriptions. IMHO
> another, related requirement we should impose is that newbies won't run
> into child porn without being warned about it at some stage.
> 

I vote for including Indicia.

> So should we include AnotherIndex, or not? If we do, should we include a
> warning that it doesn't provide descriptions and there may be
> objectionable content? If we're going to put warnings on, should we
> include the Public Index as well?

I don't think we should add AnotherIndex : it's fine for wizards but as
it looks ugly it might give first time users a bad experience.

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Re: Adding more index sites

Florent Daignière (NextGen$) wrote:
> * toad <toad@...> [2006-10-03 16:29:34]:
> 
>> Which of these should we put on our homepage? Ian has stated that our
>> policy must be to link to those indexes which will best help users to
>> find content, without prejudice to the nature of that content. Indicia
>> scores very high on this count, by virtue of having descriptions. IMHO
>> another, related requirement we should impose is that newbies won't run
>> into child porn without being warned about it at some stage.
>>
> 
> I vote for including Indicia.
> 
>> So should we include AnotherIndex, or not? If we do, should we include a
>> warning that it doesn't provide descriptions and there may be
>> objectionable content? If we're going to put warnings on, should we
>> include the Public Index as well?
> 
> I don't think we should add AnotherIndex : it's fine for wizards but as
> it looks ugly it might give first time users a bad experience.

And Indicia has a link to other indexes last time i checked.

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Re: Adding more index sites

GASP kp.  If you had checked it, you would see it was adults in some
light bondage gear aka kinky porn.

On 10/3/06, toad <toad@...> wrote:
> We should add some more index sites.
> Currently we only have the Darknet Index:
> USK <at> PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w,3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-FiIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE,AQABAAE/Index/40/index.html
>
> The problem with this is it hasn't been updated in ages.
>
> There is the public index (which is always up to date, it seems), but
> IMHO it would be unwise to link to something which is globally writable;
> somebody may replace it with a redirect to the goat man, or worse, in the
> middle of us being /.ed or doing a major release.
> USK <at> 60I8H8HinpgZSOuTSD66AVlIFAy-xsppFr0YCzCar7c,NzdivUGCGOdlgngOGRbbKDNfSCnjI0FXjHLzJM4xkJ4,AQABAAE/index/83/
>
> Then there is Indicia. This has activelinks, but offensive activelinks
> are censored. It has descriptions for every site, although some of them
> are ambiguous, and it is categorised. And it's updated regularly. A first
> time user browsing Indicia will only run into porn if they want it, and
> as far as I can see there is no outrageous child porn at the moment, and
> even if there was it would almost certainly be labelled properly.
>
> USK <at> c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF%7eG1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY%2cyd8%7euwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD%7eH5ftPxIA%2cAQABAAE/Indicia/31/
>
> And there is Another Index. This is uncensored, no pictures, with no
> manual descriptions, although it may be manually categorised. The
> problem is that on the Porn section it links to a site called "kp",
> without explaining the (sadly well-known amongst freenet users) acronym.
>

Re: Adding more index sites

Thank you for serving the Freenet Project in this way! That would mean
that there are very few child porn sites on 0.7 - is it all on frost, or
are indexes self-censoring? (No, don't post links!).

On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 08:01:09PM -0400, Juiceman wrote:
> GASP kp.  If you had checked it, you would see it was adults in some
> light bondage gear aka kinky porn.
> 
> On 10/3/06, toad <toad@...> wrote:
> >We should add some more index sites.
> >Currently we only have the Darknet Index:
> >USK <at> PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w,3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-FiIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE,AQABAAE/Index/40/index.html
> >
> >The problem with this is it hasn't been updated in ages.
> >
> >There is the public index (which is always up to date, it seems), but
> >IMHO it would be unwise to link to something which is globally writable;
> >somebody may replace it with a redirect to the goat man, or worse, in the
> >middle of us being /.ed or doing a major release.
> >USK <at> 60I8H8HinpgZSOuTSD66AVlIFAy-xsppFr0YCzCar7c,NzdivUGCGOdlgngOGRbbKDNfSCnjI0FXjHLzJM4xkJ4,AQABAAE/index/83/
> >
> >Then there is Indicia. This has activelinks, but offensive activelinks
> >are censored. It has descriptions for every site, although some of them
> >are ambiguous, and it is categorised. And it's updated regularly. A first
> >time user browsing Indicia will only run into porn if they want it, and
> >as far as I can see there is no outrageous child porn at the moment, and
> >even if there was it would almost certainly be labelled properly.
> >
> >USK <at> c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF%7eG1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY%2cyd8%7euwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD%7eH5ftPxIA%2cAQABAAE/Indicia/31/
> >

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> With no description and only two letters it could be anything, assuming
> kp stands for kiddy porn says what about you?

Well played.

Unfortunately "the elite of Freenet" has been fighting against "Freenet is Pedonet"
point-of-view for so long that they themselves started believing that. "Anti-thesis
becomes a thesis".

              - Volodya

P.S. To make sure that it's not only a "destructive" criticism, but to offer an
alternative: It's possible to view content on freenet as "Wide range of topics, some of
which may be child pornography" rather than "Child pornography as well as wide range of
other topics".

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Re: Adding more index sites

On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 03:22:19AM -0400, Juiceman wrote:
> With no description and only two letters it could be anything, assuming kp
> stands for kiddy porn says what about you?

That you're using freenet. :<
> 
> On 10/3/06, Ian Clarke <ian@...> wrote:
> >
> >Why would he want to risk breaking the law by viewing a website where the
> >name of that site indicates that it is child pornography?
> >
> >Ian.
> >
> >On 3 Oct 2006, at 17:01, Juiceman wrote:
> >
> >GASP kp.  If you had checked it, you would see it was adults in some
> >light bondage gear aka kinky porn.
> >
> >On 10/3/06, toad <toad@...> wrote:
> >
> >We should add some more index sites.
> >Currently we only have the Darknet Index:
> >USK <at> PFeLTa1si2Ml5sDeUy7eDhPso6TPdmw-2gWfQ4Jg02w
> >,3ocfrqgUMVWA2PeorZx40TW0c-FiIOL-TWKQHoDbVdE,AQABAAE/Index/40/index.html
> >
> >The problem with this is it hasn't been updated in ages.
> >
> >There is the public index (which is always up to date, it seems), but
> >IMHO it would be unwise to link to something which is globally writable;
> >somebody may replace it with a redirect to the goat man, or worse, in the
> >middle of us being /.ed or doing a major release.
> >USK <at> 60I8H8HinpgZSOuTSD66AVlIFAy-xsppFr0YCzCar7c
> >,NzdivUGCGOdlgngOGRbbKDNfSCnjI0FXjHLzJM4xkJ4,AQABAAE/index/83/
> >
> >Then there is Indicia. This has activelinks, but offensive activelinks
> >are censored. It has descriptions for every site, although some of them
> >are ambiguous, and it is categorised. And it's updated regularly. A first
> >time user browsing Indicia will only run into porn if they want it, and
> >as far as I can see there is no outrageous child porn at the moment, and
> >even if there was it would almost certainly be labelled properly.
> >
> >USK <at> c55vMxUl-T-lD3nv0iOaXF
> >%7eG1hnY6pOMRbzZSwACMmY%2cyd8%7euwUmGm164-ipStoiBOJVjkbbYXJMlD%7eH5ftPxIA%2cAQABAAE/Indicia/31/
> >
> >And there is Another Index. This is uncensored, no pictures, with no
> >manual descriptions, although it may be manually categorised. The
> >problem is that on the Porn section it links to a site called "kp",
> >without explaining the (sadly well-known amongst freenet users) acronym.
> >
> >USK <at> e4TEIN5l1nkn6kjl63XBgYTYobmwGvtnyK2YW0b0ajo
> >,hv-2~OfetXkb0FhDuPxorWIf0wXeZKPEfdIhwyh-mhk,AQABAAE/AnotherIndex/27/
> >
> >Which of these should we put on our homepage? Ian has stated that our
> >policy must be to link to those indexes which will best help users to
> >find content, without prejudice to the nature of that content. Indicia
> >scores very high on this count, by virtue of having descriptions. IMHO
> >another, related requirement we should impose is that newbies won't run
> >into child porn without being warned about it at some stage.
> >
> >So should we include AnotherIndex, or not? If we do, should we include a
> >warning that it doesn't provide descriptions and there may be
> >objectionable content? If we're going to put warnings on, should we
> >include the Public Index as well?
> >
> >
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Re: Adding more index sites

Heh.

The point is, the most useful index is one with detailed and preferably
third party (or third party reviewed) descriptions.

On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:37:45AM +0100, Volodya wrote:
> > With no description and only two letters it could be anything, assuming
> > kp stands for kiddy porn says what about you?
> 
> Well played.
> 
> Unfortunately "the elite of Freenet" has been fighting against "Freenet is Pedonet"
> point-of-view for so long that they themselves started believing that. "Anti-thesis
> becomes a thesis".
> 
>               - Volodya
> 
> P.S. To make sure that it's not only a "destructive" criticism, but to offer an
> alternative: It's possible to view content on freenet as "Wide range of topics, some of
> which may be child pornography" rather than "Child pornography as well as wide range of
> other topics".
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