David Riebenbauer | 1 Mar 08:08
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CenterIM Update + Roadmap Proposal

Hello,

Yesterday I requested the creation of a project called CenterIM at
Sourceforge. I hope that my request will be approved in the course of
this week. That also means that the name under which our development of
Centericq will continue will also be CenterIM.

I think a name change isn't so bad after all, because this project
involves new people and will possibly go into a different direction than
Konst would have taken it.

I would like to thank Konst for all the effort he has put into
developing Centericq. It is an excellent program and very worthy to
continue it's development.

I've put together a proposal for a roadmap for the further development
of CenterIM. It may not be complete, but I think it gives some
perspective about where we could with all this. Please let me know
what you think.

In the git repository there is a new branch called libgaim now. It
contains some changes where I started experimenting with the use of
libgaim in CenterIM. It doesn't do much yet. Essentially it breaks the
account dialog and makes it display a list of the protocol plugins of
libgaim. See the following roadmap for some details where this could
lead.

A log of the libgaim branch can be found at
http://repo.or.cz/w/centerim.git?a=shortlog;h=libgaim

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Simon Jackson | 1 Mar 18:19
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Re: CenterIM Update + Roadmap Proposal

I am excited about the new changes and I'm looking forward to seeing
them in action. Have you thought about using Google code
(http://code.google.com/hosting/) instead of sourceforge? i hear its
much more reliable.

-Simon
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Sascha Vogt | 1 Mar 20:33
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Re: CenterIM Update + Roadmap Proposal

Hi David,

David Riebenbauer schrieb:
> Hello,
> 
> Yesterday I requested the creation of a project called CenterIM at
> Sourceforge. I hope that my request will be approved in the course of
> this week. That also means that the name under which our development of
> Centericq will continue will also be CenterIM.
That's at least a concrete decision ;). Thank you for that. If 
Konstantin is replying later, I think it would be no problem to rechange 
the name :D.

> I've put together a proposal for a roadmap for the further development
> of CenterIM. It may not be complete, but I think it gives some
> perspective about where we could with all this. Please let me know
> what you think.
As I do not want to  repost the roadmap, I'm answering here. I do 
appreciate it very much and also vote for it, that you had a look at 
libgaim. I totally aggree with you on that.

I don't know how much work implementing libgaim costs compared to the 
UTF-8 support, but I think UTF-8 support is slightly more important, as 
I think the actual libraries are working (at least with all patches 
applied). But as I cannot code *g* I can only hope you or Stéphane (or 
anybody else) considers UTF-8 as important as I do.

Maybe if UTF-8 support is quite some boring replace one function-call 
with another, I could do that, but I think it requires a little more ;)

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laurent richer | 1 Mar 21:24
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CenterICQ/CenterIM suggestion - disable ICQ auth requests & ASCII hierarchy

Hi all,

Something i've been thinking about lately would be to disable ICQ authorization requests.

I'm not sure if this would break protocol or not, but i think this can be done by acknowledging the request to the server and then silently dropping the request without ever displaying it to the user.

I've been a user of centericq for 4-5 years now, and over that time i must have received thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of auth requests, a handful every single day - none of which were legitimate. If someone i actually want to talk to on ICQ wants to add me to their list, then they already know how to contact me and i can add them to my list first.

This is not a problem with Centericq, this is a problem with the ICQ network, but i still prefer ICQ over others and still use it every day.

Perhaps this can be done with a ./configure parameter or in the main configuration options area.


I would also like to revisit the possibility of removing the ASCII hierarchy from the contact list. If removed, this would free up 6 characters of space to be put to better use. Also, if combined with the previous request of a resizable contact/chat pane, this would leave a lot more room for chat buffer.


something to think about.

kind regards,
Laurent


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faxmodem | 1 Mar 21:39
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Re: CenterICQ/CenterIM suggestion - disable ICQ auth requests & ASCII hierarchy

On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:24:28PM -0800, laurent richer wrote:
> Something i've been thinking about lately would be to disable ICQ
> authorization requests.

excellent idea: I vote for!

> I would also like to revisit the possibility of removing the ASCII hierarchy
> from the contact list. If removed, this would free up 6 characters of space

i++

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Stéphane Bisinger | 1 Mar 23:26
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Re: CenterIM Update + Roadmap Proposal

Hi David,

On 01/03/07, David Riebenbauer <davrieb <at> htu.tugraz.at> wrote:
> Yesterday I requested the creation of a project called CenterIM at
> Sourceforge. I hope that my request will be approved in the course of
> this week. That also means that the name under which our development of
> Centericq will continue will also be CenterIM.

That's great!

> I think a name change isn't so bad after all, because this project
> involves new people and will possibly go into a different direction than
> Konst would have taken it.

I agree with that. Also it underlines that we do not only support ICQ
as a protocol, but many many other protocols.

> I would like to thank Konst for all the effort he has put into
> developing Centericq. It is an excellent program and very worthy to
> continue it's development.

You have my thankfullness too, Konst. It's a great app, that's why
we're here talking about it!

> In the git repository there is a new branch called libgaim now. It
> contains some changes where I started experimenting with the use of
> libgaim in CenterIM. It doesn't do much yet. Essentially it breaks the
> account dialog and makes it display a list of the protocol plugins of
> libgaim.

I think that this is our best option, well done.

> And  here comes the roadmap proposal:
>
> 4.22.0
> ======
>
> The first release of CenterIM. This should be done soonish. Basically a release
> of the current git head as soon as the following points are solved.
> [...]

Agree

> 4.22.1 - 4.22.x
> ===============
>
> These should be released as the need arises, especially when important fixes
> become available. The points to focus on for these should be:
> [...]
> - Stabilization

Maybe into this point we can include a revisiting of all the build
process. For now we should just focus on "making it work", but after
that we need to update everything to the latest (stable) autoconf,
automake, etc. and clean everything.

> 4.23.0
> ======
> [...]

Ok for libgaim

I would definitely add this:
 - Fix visualizations with UTF-8

This doesn't mean UTF-8 support, but at least make it so that we can
display UTF-8 characters nicely. Maybe it could be possible to do that
with some iconv functions.

> 4.24.0
> ======
>
> Multiple accounts per protocol
> ------------------------------
> [...]

Agree

> 4.25.0
> ======
>
> UTF-8 support in the user interface
> -----------------------------------

This is one of the issues I care most about. It has some major
difficulties, though: if we are to introduce the use of wchar_t
instead of char, all the interfaces are going to change. So we need to
redesign the kkconsui and kkstrtext from scratch. Same functionality,
better code.

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Stéphane Bisinger | 1 Mar 23:41
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./configure issues

Hi,
I'd like to start a new discussion about ./configure issues. With the
version on the git repository, the build fails if msn is enabled
because it fails to find a target rule for dummy.c That is related to
the change made by David (if I'm not wrong) where he adds dummy.c in
the liblibmsn_a_SOURCES . I'll have to dig into this, but I won't have
any time until next week.

Please report any other ./configure setting that fails! Send a
possible fix if you can, but simply reporting the error would be of
great help.

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Stephen | 1 Mar 23:48
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Re: centerim/panel resizing


----- Original Message ----
From: Mark Pustjens <pustjens@...>
To: CenterICQ List <cicq@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:35:36 AM
Subject: [cicq] centerim/panel resizing

> Is the panel resizing patch included in this fork? The patch was posted a 
> while ago on this list. If not, i'll send what i have.

I uplaoded it the mob account after it was created, When I get some time, I will hopefully write a patch for
full screen chat. 

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David Riebenbauer | 2 Mar 00:21
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Re: ./configure issues

* Stéphane Bisinger <stephane.bisinger@...> [2007-03-01 23:44]:
> Hi,
> I'd like to start a new discussion about ./configure issues. With the
> version on the git repository, the build fails if msn is enabled
> because it fails to find a target rule for dummy.c That is related to
> the change made by David (if I'm not wrong) where he adds dummy.c in
> the liblibmsn_a_SOURCES . I'll have to dig into this, but I won't have
> any time until next week.

What the hell? What aspect of autohell am I hitting now?

To explain: I added dummy.c there because a build without libmsn would
fail for me otherwise and I really thought this wouldn't affect the other
case because the addition of dummy.c to SOURCES really is in the else
bracnch of the "if BUILD_MSN" clause. I think I tested this too. And I'm
a bit confused now.

> Please report any other ./configure setting that fails! Send a
> possible fix if you can, but simply reporting the error would be of
> great help.

I got a report on msn that shows that the tests for the external
libraries in configure.ac don't work right. They won't actually disable
the defines in config.h even if --withou-blabla is given.

Same with incompatible version of libraries. A too old version of gpgme
is detected but the script doesn't disable the defines and the build
fails.

I yet have to fix this. Just wanted to let you know about the issue. Or
maybe someone more knowledgable with autotools trys to take this.

Regards
David

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David Riebenbauer | 2 Mar 00:38
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Re: centerim/panel resizing

* Stephen <z35_11@...> [2007-03-01 23:54]:
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark Pustjens <pustjens@...>
> To: CenterICQ List <cicq@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:35:36 AM
> Subject: [cicq] centerim/panel resizing
> 
> > Is the panel resizing patch included in this fork? The patch was posted a 
> > while ago on this list. If not, i'll send what i have.
> 
> I uplaoded it the mob account after it was created, When I get some time, I will hopefully write a patch for
full screen chat. 

You did? As far as I've seen there were no commits in the mob branch
that have actually been pushed to the server. Maybe you did committed it,
but forgot to push it to the server?

Anyway I've received your patch you have sent to the mailing list, but I
didn't have the time to review it yet, so I also didn't push it to the
sever yet. But I promise to do that soonish.

Regards
David

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