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frovingslosh | 3 Oct 2005 19:20
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What would cause segments to vanish?

I'm seeing something that, to me, seems very strange and am hoping
that someone else can explain it.

First of all, if it even matters, My IsP, BellSouth, has been having a
lot problems with their news server lately. Second, I start bnr2 with
the -quick and the -test1 switches, so that headers are not aged out
and deleted, since that can cause database corruption problems. 

So this weekend I was downloading, but a file that I wanted was very
incomplete. I grabbed all of the segments that I could and hoped that
more would show up. A few more did come in during a later download,
but not quite enough to get a good download, even with par2 files.
Each time I would look at these files I would mark the newsgroup as
read. On occasion I would also turn off the filter that would show
only the new segments and filter for a keyword in the files I was
interested in to see if I may have picked up more segments but still
not have a complete file for any of the files in the set. This worked
fine at first, I could see all of the parts that I had already downloaded.

But on Sunday, without ever having reset the database, starting BNR2
with the above flags, and after downloading a new set of headers and
seeing no new files for the group I was interested in, I went back to
look at the old group, turning off the NEW filter and searchng on the
same keyword. This time BRN showed me only 2 segments for the files I
was trying to get, even though I know thet there had been many more in
the database and that I had in fact downloaded the segents that now no
longer showed up! 

I can understand that these segments may have expired from the server
(although they are new enough that they should not have). Or that my
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frovingslosh | 4 Oct 2005 21:29
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Where did everyone go?

Where did everyone go?

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Dave Warren | 4 Oct 2005 21:53

Re: Where did everyone go?

frovingslosh wrote:

>Where did everyone go?
>  
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Having a nap...

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PJones_m | 4 Oct 2005 22:20

Re: Re: msg file

Jeff...

Again, I hate to see something as good as BNR die on the vine because of
lack of time and commitment.  As you know Patrick once told me if he could
not work out the details with you he would turn BNR over to me.  I have made
you the same offer I made him

So.... If you guys will turn it over to me, I plan to place full time
programmer(s) on the BNR project to workout the bugs, optimize the code and
enable the remaining features.  As I told you several months ago, I only
require that I have full and final say on any changes made.  My
programmer(s) would have to satisfy me not someone who does not work for me.
I might do it on a contract basis with you but, for a number of reasons,
would prefer to do it under my business name. Patrick and you should receive
full credit for your work.

Let me know
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Eduardo Delgado | 4 Oct 2005 22:33
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Re: What would cause segments to vanish?

>I can understand that these segments may have expired from the server
>(although they are new enough that they should not have). Or that my
>IsP is just screwed up and for whatever reason they are not on the
>server now. But I already had the headers and I am not letting the
>startup database scan happen that would expire and remove headers 
and
>did not reset the database. Can anyone explain how I could have lost
>the headers records that I already had in the BNR2 database?

Wait. Those are different things. You can avoid the startup scan. That will 
prevent BNR from _purging_ expired articles from the db. But it still will 
continue to _mark_ articles as expired, whenever you refresh a group or 
you try to download them and the server says it no longer has them. The 
scan doesn't mark the articles as expired, is only for labeling as free the 
space they are using.

There is no way to tell BNR to not expire articles.

Apart from that, there seems to be some problem spreading thru the feeds. 
Starting on Friday, I think, I couldn't download a post two days old. The 
headers were in the server, but the articles weren't. Same thing with my 
lower priority server. Since then, completion is a shame. Only Octanews 
seems complete, but I can't get all my downloads from them or I'll run out 
of credits pretty soon.

Regards.

Eduardo Delgado
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BNR User | 4 Oct 2005 23:12
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Future of BNR

>----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "PJones_m" <pjones_m <at> bellsouth.net>
> To: <bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [BNR] Re: msg file
>
> Again, I hate to see something as good as BNR die on the vine because of
> lack of time and commitment.  As you know Patrick once told me if he could
> not work out the details with you he would turn BNR over to me.  I have 
> made
> you the same offer I made him
>
> So.... If you guys will turn it over to me, I plan to place full time
> programmer(s) on the BNR project to workout the bugs, optimize the code 
> and
> enable the remaining features.  As I told you several months ago, I only
> require that I have full and final say on any changes made.  My
> programmer(s) would have to satisfy me not someone who does not work for 
> me.
> I might do it on a contract basis with you but, for a number of reasons,
> would prefer to do it under my business name. Patrick and you should 
> receive
> full credit for your work.

I'm sure many of us would like to see BNR have more resources devoted to it 
(while also understanding the current situation). Still, what you propose is 
somewhat confusing, at least at first glance. The source is out there. If 
you can improve it, improve it. The only reason I can see Patrick (or Jeff 
for that matter) not wanting to include improvements is if it doesn't meet 
with their vision of the product. Why can you not work with them to
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PJones_m | 5 Oct 2005 15:40

Re: Future of BNR

The message you reference was written to Jeff... that it got public was, I
assume, my mistake.   However, it clearly was not written to you.

However, perhaps in the future when responding to things you know nothing
about you should ask and not assume. If you had, you'd know Jeff previously
told me to go to  work and he'd approve or not after it was done.  As I told
him then, I'll not spend thousands to have the work trashed at a programmers
whim.

I neither have the time or inclination to deal with responses such as yours
to an offer to dedicate my wallet to a free program.  You should not assume
the worst in folk but thanks for reminding me that so many people do.

Jeff....I withdraw my offer.   Good luck with the project

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> The only reason I can see Patrick (or Jeff
> for that matter) not wanting to include improvements is if it doesn't meet
> with their vision of the product.

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BNR User | 5 Oct 2005 17:09
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Re: Future of BNR

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "PJones_m" <pjones_m <at> bellsouth.net>
> To: <bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [BNR] Future of BNR
>

> The message you reference was written to Jeff... that it got public was, I
> assume, my mistake.

You assume? Take ownership. You're a leader, remember?

>  However, it clearly was not written to you.

It was written to a public list and is therefore open to commentary from 
anyone reading the list. If you want to make sure nobody but the intended 
party comments on something, send it to him privately.

> However, perhaps in the future when responding to things you know nothing
> about you should ask and not assume.

Perhaps. But it isn't going to happen. If I have something to say, I'm going 
to say it. As for knowing nothing about it, I know everything I needed to 
know. The way you want to do things is ridiculous and that's why nobody took 
you up on your offer.

> If you had, you'd know Jeff previously told me to go to  work and he'd
> approve or not after it was done.

What else should he do? Approve it before he's even seen anything? Approve
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Terry May | 5 Oct 2005 17:25
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Re: Future of BNR

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:09:12 -0500, BNR User wrote:

>> Jeff....I withdraw my offer.   Good luck with the project
> 
> So because one user, who isn't even Jeff or Patrick, assaults your
> precious ego, you're ready to withdraw your offer to help support the
> program. Dude, you need to see the Wizard. 
> 
>> END OF THREAD
> 
> Yet another of your delusional rantings. Here's a hint: The thread
> ends when nobody chooses to participate anymore. YOU don't get to
> declare nobody else can participate. You only control yourself.

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Valis Keogh | 5 Oct 2005 17:24

RE: Future of BNR

AAAHAHAHAHAHA
Thread begins with idiot sending a personal email to a yahoo group
containing hundreds of people, and ends when WE GOD DAMNED SAY IT WILL, lol

Valis

> The message you reference was written to Jeff... that it got public was, I
> assume, my mistake.

You assume? Take ownership. You're a leader, remember?

>  However, it clearly was not written to you.

It was written to a public list and is therefore open to commentary from 
anyone reading the list. If you want to make sure nobody but the intended 
party comments on something, send it to him privately.

> However, perhaps in the future when responding to things you know nothing
> about you should ask and not assume.

Perhaps. But it isn't going to happen. If I have something to say, I'm going

to say it. As for knowing nothing about it, I know everything I needed to 
know. The way you want to do things is ridiculous and that's why nobody took

you up on your offer.

> If you had, you'd know Jeff previously told me to go to  work and he'd
> approve or not after it was done.
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